Boise State needs a consolidation at the Mid Major level as much or more so than any other program still in the Mid Majors.

Would their fortunes have improved had they and San Diego State stuck with their Big East/AAC commitment? Or would Boise drop even further in the AAC than they have in the Mountain West?

Boise has built a nice brand, but I'm afraid a lot of the magic departed with Peterson. I hope I'm wrong.

(09-02-2014 08:48 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Would their fortunes have improved had they and San Diego State stuck with their Big East/AAC commitment? Or would Boise drop even further in the AAC than they have in the Mountain West?

Two part question: (A) Would Boise have been able to negotiate anywhere near a similar tv deal with the AAC, like they have with the MW?

(B) If not, would the money and tv appearances they'd have received from an AAC football-only membership been enough to offset the annual $750k Big West travel subsidies?

A) no
B) doubtful

(09-02-2014 08:48 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Would their fortunes have improved had they and San Diego State stuck with their Big East/AAC commitment? Or would Boise drop even further in the AAC than they have in the Mountain West?

In that AAC? No. In the future AAC? Yes.

(09-02-2014 11:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 08:48 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Would their fortunes have improved had they and San Diego State stuck with their Big East/AAC commitment? Or would Boise drop even further in the AAC than they have in the Mountain West?

In that AAC? No. In the future AAC? Yes.

What's the difference between that AAC and future AAC?

IS That AAC still the one that had Louisville and Rutgers? and future AAC is the one with ECU, Tulane and Tulsa?

Or is that AAC the one with ECU, Tulane and Tulsa? In which case what is future AAC?

(09-02-2014 03:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the ticket prices have something to do with it they have raise the prices quite a bit the past few years. There isn't enough General Admission seating (currently only the North End zone is GA). The nosebleed seats are the same price as the lower level.
Not to mention unless they blackout the ESPN game in Boise, that could be another possible reason.

http://boisestatetickets.com/event/2014-...ado-state/

Select on the Seating to see the ticket prices.

I don't know, those ticket prices don't seem that bad to me.

(09-02-2014 02:17 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/09/02...1687/&rh=1

Boise State has sold less than 28k for its home opener this weekend. They have only sold 21k season tickets (I assume that includes students) which is a 6% drop from last year, which was a 7% drop from 2012.

Has their fanbase already started to bail?

Welcome to the world of the Nbe/AAC kingdom and thought. Previously, Nbe/AAC was going to add Boise State, gloating with the thought this would move Nbe/AAC to BCS status. Now that effort has failed, primarily because Nbe/AAC could not generate enough tv revenue to offset Boise State's greatly increased travel costs. So, what happens today? Nbe/AAC fans mock Boise State. Before, Nbe/AAC fans could see no wrong with BSU and flew their banners in Times Square.

Tallgrass I hate to say this, but you are mostly right. The AAC wanted Boise for the BCS points, once that ceased to be an issue, The AAC was better off without them. That being said the AAC would have honored the invite. I think the comish was saying thank you God the day Boise came in with demands. Boise offered very little to the AAC outside of the BCS points. AAC fans watched and listened to all the BS that came out of Boise, and yes they were pissed.

(09-03-2014 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Tallgrass I hate to say this, but you are mostly right. The AAC wanted Boise for the BCS points, once that ceased to be an issue, The AAC was better off without them. That being said the AAC would have honored the invite. I think the comish was saying thank you God the day Boise came in with demands. Boise offered very little to the AAC outside of the BCS points. AAC fans watched and listened to all the BS that came out of Boise, and yes they were pissed.

All Boise offers now are good baked potatoes and some good hunting and fishing. However, they offer horrible travel and is in the boonies.

(09-03-2014 06:20 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 11:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 08:48 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Would their fortunes have improved had they and San Diego State stuck with their Big East/AAC commitment? Or would Boise drop even further in the AAC than they have in the Mountain West?

In that AAC? No. In the future AAC? Yes.

What's the difference between that AAC and future AAC?

IS That AAC still the one that had Louisville and Rutgers? and future AAC is the one with ECU, Tulane and Tulsa?

Or is that AAC the one with ECU, Tulane and Tulsa? In which case what is future AAC?

Twenty teams, regional divisions, a conference tournament and a guaranteed spot in an expanded national tournament in order to provide a competitive Cinderella team.

That AAC is a lot different than the AAC that Boise State decided against joining.

(09-03-2014 07:05 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 03:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the ticket prices have something to do with it they have raise the prices quite a bit the past few years. There isn't enough General Admission seating (currently only the North End zone is GA). The nosebleed seats are the same price as the lower level.
Not to mention unless they blackout the ESPN game in Boise, that could be another possible reason.

http://boisestatetickets.com/event/2014-...ado-state/

Select on the Seating to see the ticket prices.

I don't know, those ticket prices don't seem that bad to me.

Except for the type of economy and disposable that Boise has, those prices are getting a bit high for alot of folks in that area. It isn't bad probably in the lower section, but to pay the same price for the top level??

(09-02-2014 04:43 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 04:30 PM)MJG Wrote:  They have great facilities three hundred million invested is what I've read. Their branding is really good kids like that a stuff. The MWC seems to be down . Those are all pluses for winning going forward.

The MWC West doesn't excite the fans.
They are supposedly in a lot of debt.
They have been blown out against good teams the last two years.

The fans expect a big win and opportunities are few and far between.

It is all about location and Boise is in the boonies!

Boise is a beautiful city and with the adjacent spectacular Snake River Canyon, I think this is a primary reason they have been able to recruit so well.

(09-03-2014 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Tallgrass I hate to say this, but you are mostly right. The AAC wanted Boise for the BCS points, once that ceased to be an issue, The AAC was better off without them. That being said the AAC would have honored the invite. I think the comish was saying thank you God the day Boise came in with demands. Boise offered very little to the AAC outside of the BCS points. AAC fans watched and listened to all the BS that came out of Boise, and yes they were pissed.

Because the other four NonBCS conferences panicked in response to Nbe/AAC's raiding of teams, the four NonBCS conferences supported all the BCS proposals. These proposals were not in the best interests of the NonBCS conferences as "access" is highly limited. But it worked for the four NonBCS conferences in bringing the Nbe/ACC raiding to a halt. But the poor Nbe/AAC contract was probably the main reason for the stop in Nbe/AAC expansion, as the Nbe/AAC tv revenues were not sufficient to offset BSU's greatly increased travel costs.

Regarding the point highlighted above in your comment, it can also be said that Boise State was better off without AAC....as I believe Boise State negotiated with MWC that the Broncos keep the lion share of BCS bowl monies, when the Broncos are selected to the "Guaranteed Access" spot. If they appear in a BCS bowl, the Broncos will make a whole lot more money than if they were in Nbe/AAC.

The real tragedy was that the five NonBCS conferences were not able to present a united and coordinated front to possibly gain a more equitable position in the 4 team national playoff and BCS bowls. AAC's USA Today advertisement is disappointing, as it again reflects AAC's attitude that somehow that the AAC is going to gain BCS status by being a "power" conference.

Does any other program get written off forever every time they lose one game? It's getting ridiculous. I guess we're doing something right with this many haters.

The fact is, we are rebuilding. It happens to every program at some point. Petersen ****** us for a few years by failing to replace coaches like Harsin, Wilcox, Yates, etc. with competent assistants (leading to diminishing results on the field and poor development of players) and by doing a horrible job of recruiting quarterbacks. He also completely changed the offensive system last year and it was an unmitigated disaster. The new staff is doing a fine job, especially on the recruiting trail, but it will take a while to clean up the mess that Petersen left behind.

(09-03-2014 08:47 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 04:43 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 04:30 PM)MJG Wrote:  They have great facilities three hundred million invested is what I've read. Their branding is really good kids like that a stuff. The MWC seems to be down . Those are all pluses for winning going forward.

The MWC West doesn't excite the fans.
They are supposedly in a lot of debt.
They have been blown out against good teams the last two years.

The fans expect a big win and opportunities are few and far between.

It is all about location and Boise is in the boonies!

Boise is a beautiful city and with the adjacent spectacular Snake River Canyon, I think this is a primary reason they have been able to recruit so well.

Agree but its a hard place to go for a football game.

By the way, the lower attendance kind of sucks, but we are far from the only program with that issue. Attendance across all of college football has declined since 2009.

(09-03-2014 09:16 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  Does any other program get written off forever every time they lose one game? It's getting ridiculous. I guess we're doing something right with this many haters.

The fact is, we are rebuilding. It happens to every program at some point. Petersen ****** us for a few years by failing to replace coaches like Harsin, Wilcox, Yates, etc. with competent assistants (leading to diminishing results on the field and poor development of players) and by doing a horrible job of recruiting quarterbacks. He also completely changed the offensive system last year and it was an unmitigated disaster. The new staff is doing a fine job, especially on the recruiting trail, but it will take a while to clean up the mess that Petersen left behind.

Well, I was not writing you off yet. I was questioning your ability to rebuild. Will you be able to do it or slip away like Marshall did? After all you are both very rural, in the boonies, and away from major air travel. You have to admit location is similar to Marshall's.

(09-03-2014 09:16 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  Does any other program get written off forever every time they lose one game? It's getting ridiculous. I guess we're doing something right with this many haters.

The fact is, we are rebuilding. It happens to every program at some point. Petersen ****** us for a few years by failing to replace coaches like Harsin, Wilcox, Yates, etc. with competent assistants (leading to diminishing results on the field and poor development of players) and by doing a horrible job of recruiting quarterbacks. He also completely changed the offensive system last year and it was an unmitigated disaster. The new staff is doing a fine job, especially on the recruiting trail, but it will take a while to clean up the mess that Petersen left behind.

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