Should Hawaii Football drop to 1-AA or lower? What, if any, effect(s) would that have on the Athletic Budget? Do y'all think they would be able to survive & be more competitive on that/those levels?

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1-aa would be far worse. June will head back as their savior

June isn't leaving SMU... He's gonna have a memorable season, and will be given yet another contract extension... Book it.

Hawaii has a unique problem in the cost of traveling for their team. Dropping to 1AA would make matters worse. So either they survive as FBS or they drop the team.

(08-18-2014 08:15 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 07:54 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 06:49 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Hawai'i
UAB
UMass
Idaho
NM State

Are all likely among the first FBS casualties of the new environment.

You can take UAB off that list. No matter how periless it may seem, UAB Football will not cease to exist nor will it drop to Div II or FCS or whatever that division is called.

I would be willing to bet that monetary circumstances matter more than your opinion.

Either way, I still am of the opinion that UAB should not be playing football at the FBS level. But for the sake of UAB basketball, I would say "Join an FCS level conference, like the Southland." But UAB BB should be a at respectable level...

But whatever.

Monetary reasons wouldn't be the reason why UAB would drop football. Let me say I don't think UAB Football has done basketball any good. That said, UAB isn't dropping FBS football nor will it ever drop to FCS whether I think they don't or you think they should and that's just the way it is.

Poor Boise State...teams already dropping b/c they took all the cash.

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(08-18-2014 09:08 PM)ENCPir87769 Wrote:  Should Hawaii Football drop to 1-AA or lower? What, if any, effect(s) would that have on the Athletic Budget? Do y'all think they would be able to survive & be more competitive on that/those levels?

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What FCS schools could afford the trips? I mean the FCS level has virtually no tv revenue so .... Their own stadiums are lower capacity...

(08-18-2014 11:42 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:08 PM)ENCPir87769 Wrote:  Should Hawaii Football drop to 1-AA or lower? What, if any, effect(s) would that have on the Athletic Budget? Do y'all think they would be able to survive & be more competitive on that/those levels?

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What FCS schools could afford the trips? I mean the FCS level has virtually no tv revenue so .... Their own stadiums are lower capacity...

I see your point. Most seem to feel that June wouldn't return to Hawaii. Even if he did, would he be "enough" to turn the their program around? Admittedly I don't keep up with Hawaii, save the few Sports Center highlights every now & then.

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(08-18-2014 09:28 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Hawaii has a unique problem in the cost of traveling for their team. Dropping to 1AA would make matters worse. So either they survive as FBS or they drop the team.

Very true. It's FBS or nothing for the Warriors.

I've always thought Hawaii football could survive as an Independent. If all the other 128 (counting Charlotte here) FBS programs played one game @Hawaii every 12 years, then Hawaii could play 10 or 11 (usually 11) home games a season, and play 1 or 2 (usually 1) on the West Coast to complete the schedule. I think most FBS programs could afford to go to the islands that often.

Good riddens. Knocks the MWC average strength down a peg, cool with me.

Attackcoog and OUGwave are right. It was just a poorly-worded attempt by our amateur AD to scare the powers-that-be into considering putting more state money into the athletic program. He issued a retraction as soon as he got back to his office and realized his mistake.

"My comments at the Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics' meeting were made in order to convey a sense of urgency regarding the need to address our current funding model. In no way was I indicating that a decision on program reduction of any sport was under consideration. Rather, I was suggesting that the department's financial situation required that all possible scenarios be reviewed. Hopefully, going forward, there will be a priority placed on discussing the future financial needs of the UH Athletics Department. President David Lassner has expressed his support and we'll call upon our many loyal stakeholders to help us ensure that we remain competitive within the future landscape of intercollegiate athletics. We owe that to our student-athletes and passionate fans."

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/break...=271782181

The fact is that the Hawaii football program makes a larger net profit than any other sport and the athletic department deficit would increase if football were shut down. So the chances of that happening are practically nil. Moreover, the university's percentage subsidy to the athletic program is lower at Hawaii than at any other Big West school and most other MWC schools. If the AD had a lick of sense, that's the point he would have been making to the BOR in lobbying for more state support.

We're going to be seeing a lot of these articles inthe next 10 years.

(08-19-2014 06:28 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  We're going to be seeing a lot of these articles inthe next 10 years.

Agree.

(08-18-2014 06:54 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  There are certain things you should not say aloud.

"There's a very real possibility of football going away" is one of them.

[b]Those comments are going to kill recruiting there. They are going to hurt, not help, season ticket sales. They are going to depress interest in the football program.
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And this is bad for the MWC. Every member of a conference has to be pulling in the same direction.

Recruiting, ticket sales and fan interest don't matter if they shut down the program.

Hawaii likely spends more on travel costs in 1-2 games than alot of programs will spend in an entire year. It's extremely expensive getting a full team + coaches + gear to the mainland for every away game. And on top of that, they have to subsidize the MWC to help pay for the other teams' travel to Hawaii.

IMO this has nothing to do with "P5" or "autonomy". The article clearly says that they've been running deficts for years and years, well before any of this new P5 crap. Sounds more like this AD finally woke up and realized that something's gotta give.

This is simply a case of a school trying to play D1 football with the greatest geographical challenge in the country. There simply aren't enough fans or deep pockets to make Hawaii football financially viable.

If Hawaii drops football then UTEP is in MWC the next day.

Maybe I'm naive, but in my opinion Hawai'i (football) would be better off as an independent, and is one of the few places that could make independence work, IF (and only if) ESPN (or a competitor that wanted the programming bad enough) wanted to have Hawai'i football and their unique time slot.

Think about this - 6-8 times a season, once all the other games have ended, Hawaii would have an exclusive window. Sure, it would be midnight on the east coast of the US, but a 9pm west coast start time would not be bad at all, especially since the majority of the teams travelling to play them would be Pacific or Mountain teams.

How much would ESPN be willing to pay? I don't know, but I would guess that it's more than Hawaii makes right now from the MWC deal when you factor in the travel subsidies they pay.

And since ESPN would be a partner, they could help with scheduling to get some big-name opponents out there.

(08-19-2014 08:15 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Maybe I'm naive, but in my opinion Hawai'i (football) would be better off as an independent, and is one of the few places that could make independence work, IF (and only if) ESPN (or a competitor that wanted the programming bad enough) wanted to have Hawai'i football and their unique time slot.

Think about this - 6-8 times a season, once all the other games have ended, Hawaii would have an exclusive window. Sure, it would be midnight on the east coast of the US, but a 9pm west coast start time would not be bad at all, especially since the majority of the teams travelling to play them would be Pacific or Mountain teams.

How much would ESPN be willing to pay? I don't know, but I would guess that it's more than Hawaii makes right now from the MWC deal when you factor in the travel subsidies they pay.

And since ESPN would be a partner, they could help with scheduling to get some big-name opponents out there.

Chappy, you make a whole lot of sense with this post!

Hawaii also has to help Big West schools with travel expenses when they come to Hawaii.

(08-19-2014 08:15 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Maybe I'm naive, but in my opinion Hawai'i (football) would be better off as an independent, and is one of the few places that could make independence work, IF (and only if) ESPN (or a competitor that wanted the programming bad enough) wanted to have Hawai'i football and their unique time slot.

Think about this - 6-8 times a season, once all the other games have ended, Hawaii would have an exclusive window. Sure, it would be midnight on the east coast of the US, but a 9pm west coast start time would not be bad at all, especially since the majority of the teams travelling to play them would be Pacific or Mountain teams.

How much would ESPN be willing to pay? I don't know, but I would guess that it's more than Hawaii makes right now from the MWC deal when you factor in the travel subsidies they pay.

And since ESPN would be a partner, they could help with scheduling to get some big-name opponents out there.

It's worth remembering that June left Hawaii because they took the Sugar Bowl payout and used it for non-athletic ventures because the entire university had a budget hole. The state of facilities (including Aloha Stadium) was deplorable, and he couldn't get any money for those or for paying his assistants. Hawaii is a very expensive and not particularly wealthy state, and the state government is always trying to fill budget holes. It's what you get in an economy based solely on tourism.

If they can afford to fire Norm Chow after this season, they should. Then they should beg June to come back and rebuild the program and the fan support. Send him a chartered Hawaiian Airlines jet for a flying luau all the way back to Oahu.