(08-10-2014 08:17 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:48 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 05:43 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  There is no doubt that if UMass can get a hold on their football facilities, that TV market has the opportunity to really really help the American's long term success and negotiations.

UMASS (located in Amherst, MA) is in the #75 TV Market in the USA (Springfield, MA).

are the state flagship for a state of almost 7 million

Maybe in Psychology or Science but obviously NEVER in Football.

BC has average support but BC will always dominate that not so good COLLEGE football tv market.

(08-10-2014 10:32 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 10:16 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  im sure schools fluxulate all the time between 75 to 85

O'leary 's first year we were down to 65-67 scholarships. Players quit, transferred, etc. We had Brandon Marshall playing safety because we didn't have anyone to fulfill that position.

According to Fuente we had about 50 when he came here. And 4 of them were kickers/punters... That's why it's taken us so long to get back to relevancy.

(08-10-2014 08:17 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:48 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 05:43 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  There is no doubt that if UMass can get a hold on their football facilities, that TV market has the opportunity to really really help the American's long term success and negotiations.

UMASS (located in Amherst, MA) is in the #75 TV Market in the USA (Springfield, MA).

are the state flagship for a state of almost 7 million

florida and florida state arent remotely close to the majority of the florida population but still control the florida markets

If you think fl and fsu carry Florida you need to come for a visit. They do not carry the state of florida


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(08-10-2014 11:51 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 08:17 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:48 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 05:43 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  There is no doubt that if UMass can get a hold on their football facilities, that TV market has the opportunity to really really help the American's long term success and negotiations.

UMASS (located in Amherst, MA) is in the #75 TV Market in the USA (Springfield, MA).

are the state flagship for a state of almost 7 million

Maybe in Psychology or Science but obviously NEVER in Football.

BC has average support but BC will always dominate that not so good COLLEGE football tv market.

If BC had been good at football maybe that would have had some backing and had an ND lite type following and controlled the market but BC has been horrible and a small private schools, the vast majority of their fanbase is alumni and hvae almost no t-shirtfans

if umass can honesty pull out some good seasons they can take all the Massachusetts markets which are honestly all open for the taking

(08-09-2014 09:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  THIS should yet again provide a definitive answer to the question "Should the American invite UMass to join the conference?"

NO!!!

From the article:
"To make up the difference of $75,000, which is essentially three full scholarships, so instead of 85 (scholarships) we may do 82 at the full-cost of attendance.”

We've already been down the lack of UMass being able to provide sufficient facilities. Now--surprise, surprise, surprise--UMass' AD says "Yeah, we can keep up..." but one plan is to "keep up" by not funding all the scholarships. More half-assing on UMass' part. Someone needs to tell this guy that UMass is, in fact, not keeping up and not handling things.

They simply are not a viable D1 FB program.

http://www.gazettenet.com/home/13059547-...aa-changes

The UMass AD has only said what other G5 schools are thinking. Principle of economics on stretching the dollars. By the way he said might. He didn't say it is etched in stone. UMass is actually doing things right on a limited budget without going into massive debt at like Rutgers did laying a lot of debt on NJ taxpayers with its stadium expansion. UMass is moving slowly as they make their moves in FB while protecting their money maker in the A-10. They should be commended for their conservative moves while they complete their move to Division 1. Its not their fault Temple left them hanging in the MAC. They will survive with a temporary move to the Sunbelt FB only when the offer and contract is finally worked out in the next year or by the time the MAC contract runs out and will make stadium improvements with more seating and other amenities over the next 4 -6 years. They will eventually be part of the AAC for all sports too when the next realignment cycle comes around too.

Bottom line, UMass desperately needs to focus on winning and campus facility renovations (New Football Stadium) yesterday... I know... I know... Strength of schedule is the important key factor in football now, but in UMass current troubles which are many, facilities is probably a good starting point for them, IMHO.

(08-10-2014 10:16 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  im sure schools fluxulate all the time between 75 to 85

Not that frequent, unless its during a turnover in coaching regime. But this is different. In this case, the school is lowering the ceiling itself.

It also shows that UMass doesn't have the mentality to succeed. They're robbing Peter to pay Paul. They should be paying Peter, Paul, and Mary and knowing that those investments will make it more than worthwhile financially in the long run.

(08-10-2014 06:30 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 10:16 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  im sure schools fluxulate all the time between 75 to 85

Not that frequent, unless its during a turnover in coaching regime. But this is different. In this case, the school is lowering the ceiling itself.

It also shows that UMass doesn't have the mentality to succeed. They're robbing Peter to pay Paul. They should be paying Peter, Paul, and Mary and knowing that those investments will make it more than worthwhile financially in the long run.

How are they going to pay Peter, Paul and Mary if funds aren't available!?! I think we all agree UMass has plenty of hurdles to overcome... I say face one problem at time, defeat it, but one that will help the University move forward if goal is to remain in FBS and later land at a better league.

I still find UMass as a good future AAC member candidate, if only they will shift their strong efforts on a new on campus football stadium.

From USAToday:
Four sources of revenue in 2013 for UMASS Athletics
Ticket Sales $1,413,936
Contributions $841,873
Student Fees $8,004,252
University Funds $16,350,175
Total athletic revenue/expenses $30 million

If I was a taxpayer, student, or parent of a student, I'd be asking why they are playing football at the FBS level at all. $24 of $30 million comes from taxpayers, students, or student parents.

That contribution number should be embarrassing to them. Do you think that if any of our conference member came up $75K short in full scholarship support, our donors wouldn't pony up? I'm pretty sure that all of us could get a commitment of that small amount with 1 hour's worth of phone calls if we had to.

u telling me Tulane did not take hit on scholarships #'s after Katrina
and yes coaching changes & division changes schools fall short.
between Appy St, Old Domioun, Char & Ga So
C-USA & Sun Belt don't avg 82
MAC proablly avg 82, that's where they come up with #

At one time I was pro-UMass but the more I read from their leadership and fans just emphasizes the fact that they simply do not get it (FBS football).

It is interesting reading the responses of AAC fans from Texas & Florida speaking about the promise of UMass as a potential AAC football member. I have lived in the Mid-Atlantic (18years), Deep South (12 years), & New England (24 years). I can promise you one thing about New England: College Football is a non-entity & always will be! Pop Warner teams in other regions of the country compete at a higher level of execution than the "prominent" high school's in this region. In late August early September you can walk into any sports bar in New England on a Saturday and you will not see one television tuned into a college football telecast. Nobody, & I swear to you; NO BODY ever discusses college football. When you add this general non-football culture to the culture at UMass (Radically Left - their library is named after W.E.B. Du Bois), UMass as a football member of the AAC will be a failure because there simply is not sufficient home-grown talent & fan interest.
(BTW: It is still a very bad idea, in spite of the fact that nothing would make me happier than having Tulane playing in Amherst every other year.)

(08-11-2014 08:32 AM)wave97 Wrote:  It is interesting reading the responses of AAC fans from Texas & Florida speaking about the promise of UMass as a potential AAC football member. I have lived in the Mid-Atlantic (18years), Deep South (12 years), & New England (24 years). I can promise you one thing about New England: College Football is a non-entity & always will be! Pop Warner teams in other regions of the country compete at a higher level of execution than the "prominent" high school's in this region. In late August early September you can walk into any sports bar in New England on a Saturday and you will not see one television tuned into a college football telecast. Nobody, & I swear to you; NO BODY ever discusses college football. When you add this general non-football culture to the culture at UMass (Radically Left - their library is named after W.E.B. Du Bois), UMass as a football member of the AAC will be a failure because there simply is not sufficient home-grown talent & fan interest.
(BTW: It is still a very bad idea, in spite of the fact that nothing would make me happier than having Tulane playing in Amherst every other year.)

so the boston/New england area has had some great football teams but theyve just been ignored???

thats the riduclous of this argument, boston has never has a dominant or consistent team in the region...BC has been marginally OK

i bet youd have been like no-one in boise idaho cares about college football before boise came along, that Dallas had zero interest in college sports if you looked at tcu and smu in the 90's, then tcu came along and started dominating and now does almost 50k a game

or that houston had zero interest in college sports and a pro town till A&M and Houston had a resurgence the last 8 years.
or that new jersey had absolutely no interest in college football prior to 90's (rutgers was fcs) ..now they average between 50 and 60k attendance as the state flagship after a few years of adjusting to fbs (and arent even good)

please tell me the teams that Boston was supposed to supports and be talking about besides a average small private school who has only had 1 year of real national significance in the last 20 years??

Why is everyone hating on UMass? Someone said that if they were forced to remain independent they "might" consider running at 82 scholarships instead of 85. There are plenty of G5 programs that are running at under 80. They just finished their football operations building at McGuirk and yet everyone is saying they dont get it. For recruiting purposes which is more important? Additional seating or the workspace you are going to be in the other 359 days a year. They did this right. Build out the football operations building and then work on the additional seating. In an optimum world you do like Houston and raze the place and build new. But a phased approach works too. Georgia Southern essentially just did the same thing.

(08-11-2014 09:03 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 08:32 AM)wave97 Wrote:  It is interesting reading the responses of AAC fans from Texas & Florida speaking about the promise of UMass as a potential AAC football member. I have lived in the Mid-Atlantic (18years), Deep South (12 years), & New England (24 years). I can promise you one thing about New England: College Football is a non-entity & always will be! Pop Warner teams in other regions of the country compete at a higher level of execution than the "prominent" high school's in this region. In late August early September you can walk into any sports bar in New England on a Saturday and you will not see one television tuned into a college football telecast. Nobody, & I swear to you; NO BODY ever discusses college football. When you add this general non-football culture to the culture at UMass (Radically Left - their library is named after W.E.B. Du Bois), UMass as a football member of the AAC will be a failure because there simply is not sufficient home-grown talent & fan interest.
(BTW: It is still a very bad idea, in spite of the fact that nothing would make me happier than having Tulane playing in Amherst every other year.)

so the boston/New england area has had some great football teams but theyve just been ignored???

thats the riduclous of this argument, boston has never has a dominant or consistent team in the region...BC has been marginally OK

i bet youd have been like no-one in boise idaho cares about college football before boise came along, that Dallas had zero interest in college sports if you looked at tcu and smu in the 90's, then tcu came along and started dominating and now does almost 50k a game


or that houston had zero interest in college sports and a pro town till A&M and Houston had a resurgence the last 8 years.
or that new jersey had absolutely no interest in college football prior to 90's (rutgers was fcs) ..now they average between 50 and 60k attendance as the state flagship after a few years of adjusting to fbs (and arent even good)

please tell me the teams that Boston was supposed to supports and be talking about besides a average small private school who has only had 1 year of real national significance in the last 20 years??

Wow! you've thrown up all over the place
1) What else is there to do in Boise Idaho? Peel potatoes... They're starving for entertainment options.
2) TCU & SMU not exactly packing them in in Dallas Metro. Saturated recruiting many competeng entertainment options.
3) Rutgers, in the middle of the largest mass of humanity in North America. That's their claim to fame.
4) Since the early to mid 1980's Tulane has deliberately de-emphasized football. The 1998 team's success was the result of early adoption of the up-tempo spread scheme of Rich Rodriguez. Head Coach Tommy Bowden was quoted: "We aint beaten 'em, we're trick'en um".
Tulane has finally introduced academic "friendly" curriculum, increased coaches salaries & facility upgrades. I feel pretty confident that Tulane will become a program that represents NOLA for all that it has.

(08-11-2014 09:30 AM)panama Wrote:  Why is everyone hating on UMass? Someone said that if they were forced to remain independent they "might" consider running at 82 scholarships instead of 85. There are plenty of G5 programs that are running at under 80. They just finished their football operations building at McGuirk and yet everyone is saying they dont get it. For recruiting purposes which is more important? Additional seating or the workspace you are going to be in the other 359 days a year. They did this right. Build out the football operations building and then work on the additional seating. In an optimum world you do like Houston and raze the place and build new. But a phased approach works too. Georgia Southern essentially just did the same thing.

the problem is no one cares for mcguirk or wants additional seating, its a horrible stadium with no indoor plumbing that needs to be torn down and a new stadium modern stadium built where it once was. it is cheap and run down, nowhere to the quality we want in the league. and the current capacity is the smallest in the mac, they need more than juts additional seat

i wouldnt even mid a cheap brand new 30k stadium, it doesnt need to be fancy but mcguirk needs to go. literally the MAC (THE MAC), forced them to play 2 hours away in Gillette..

i am pro umass if and only if they get a stadium

(08-11-2014 09:34 AM)wave97 Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 09:03 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 08:32 AM)wave97 Wrote:  It is interesting reading the responses of AAC fans from Texas & Florida speaking about the promise of UMass as a potential AAC football member. I have lived in the Mid-Atlantic (18years), Deep South (12 years), & New England (24 years). I can promise you one thing about New England: College Football is a non-entity & always will be! Pop Warner teams in other regions of the country compete at a higher level of execution than the "prominent" high school's in this region. In late August early September you can walk into any sports bar in New England on a Saturday and you will not see one television tuned into a college football telecast. Nobody, & I swear to you; NO BODY ever discusses college football. When you add this general non-football culture to the culture at UMass (Radically Left - their library is named after W.E.B. Du Bois), UMass as a football member of the AAC will be a failure because there simply is not sufficient home-grown talent & fan interest.
(BTW: It is still a very bad idea, in spite of the fact that nothing would make me happier than having Tulane playing in Amherst every other year.)

so the boston/New england area has had some great football teams but theyve just been ignored???

thats the riduclous of this argument, boston has never has a dominant or consistent team in the region...BC has been marginally OK

i bet youd have been like no-one in boise idaho cares about college football before boise came along, that Dallas had zero interest in college sports if you looked at tcu and smu in the 90's, then tcu came along and started dominating and now does almost 50k a game


or that houston had zero interest in college sports and a pro town till A&M and Houston had a resurgence the last 8 years.
or that new jersey had absolutely no interest in college football prior to 90's (rutgers was fcs) ..now they average between 50 and 60k attendance as the state flagship after a few years of adjusting to fbs (and arent even good)

please tell me the teams that Boston was supposed to supports and be talking about besides a average small private school who has only had 1 year of real national significance in the last 20 years??

Wow! you've thrown up all over the place
1) What else is there to do in Boise Idaho? Peel potatoes... They're starving for entertainment options.
2) TCU & SMU not exactly packing them in in Dallas Metro. Saturated recruiting many competeng entertainment options.
3) Rutgers, in the middle of the largest mass of humanity in North America. That's their claim to fame.
4) Since the early to mid 1980's Tulane has deliberately de-emphasized football. The 1998 team's success was the result of early adoption of the up-tempo spread scheme of Rich Rodriguez. Head Coach Tommy Bowden was quoted: "We aint beaten 'em, we're trick'en um".
Tulane has finally introduced academic "friendly" curriculum, increased coaches salaries & facility upgrades. I feel pretty confident that Tulane will become a program that represents NOLA for all that it has.

1) that didnt really help idaho who has no fan support, prior to boise no one in idaho cared even in the slightest about college sports ... but im sure youd have said no one in idaho cares or will ever care..then boise came along who does 45k games, averages 2mil viewers a game and sells out BCS games

you breaking point in your argument, is you re saying no one in boston cares about colllege football, im saying who have they really had to support? BC hasnt been a power in any definition

2) tcu average 49k attendance on a 4-8 team last year

3) umass is in a state of 7 million people (one of the most populated states) and over 30 million more within a 3 hour drive

4) i have no quarrel with tulane, so not exactly sure what to respond to this

UMass just spent over $60 million on football and basketball practice facilities. The quote about scholarships is just an example of how the new NCAA governance wouldn't necessarily have to add even $75k to the budget, because some knuckleheads want to portray this as the sky falling for G5 schools. Do you really think UMass doubled its football budget to go to FBS, spent millions on new facilities but can't come up with another $75k? Don't link the stuff that Miami Oh Yeah posts. The guy needs UMass to flounder in order to fit his mental narrative of us screwing over the MAC, and he's under the misimpression that message board posters vote on conference invitations. I guess anything that avoids having to follow Miami OH football is understandable, but the ratio of UMass to Miami posts is a bit silly. Please don't make me do the Pimp My School thing. We're only 3 weeks away from actual football.

You are saying "If you build it, they will come".
All that I am saying is as it relates to Amherst, MA; "If you build it, they won't come".
I would much rather have the AAC go after a dynamic up & coming program: Old Dominion.
ODU & the Virginia Peninsula's large entertainment starved population & very fertile recruiting ground.

They really shouldn't have signed a deal to play something like an hour away from their campus.