The University of Louisville was the Nation's First city owned public university when it was founded in 1798. It was also one of the first universities chartered west of the Allegheny Mountains.

With that being said we still had to win our way into the club as did Utah. For Louisville it has been a 216 year wait.
CJ

(06-10-2014 11:27 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:07 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 08:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 02:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Along that line, look at length of conference membership, most P5 members get by with having the dumb luck of joining a P5 conference decades before any of this mattered.

B1G founded in 1896, by 1899 8 of the current schools were members. OSU in 1912, MSU in 1950, and Penn State in 1900 were the only additions in the 20th Century.

PAC 12 founded in 1915, after 1928 only teams added in 20th century we Az and ASU, 1978.

SEC founded in 1932, 10 current members were founders. Only other additions pre BCS were Ark and SC in 1991.

ACC founded in 1953, 10 founders, 8 still in conference, 2 in other P5 conferences.

and of course the newer Big XII is a reconfiguration of the old SW conference.

If you weren't affiliated with a P5 conference by 1953 your chances of joining one were slim to none.

not surprisingly, there is only 1 G5 conference with similar stability as the lobsters climb on each other in a desperate attempt to escape the boiling pot of water.

FBS is a good ol boys club if there ever was one.

Right. I don't think born on date has as much to do with it as the date you joined a specific conference, b/c there are plenty of universities founded long ago that aren't in the club.

It would be neat to list the oldest colleges who have played at the highest classification (1937-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College), 1973-1977 NCAA Division I, 1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A), but aren't in a P5.

The only one I can think off hand is Tulane.

EDIT: And Rice......and Tulsa, Army, Navy, SMU. That seems to be it.

MAC was founded in 1946 and has been at the highest level of FBS the entire time.

That is just swell. But y'all weren't competing at the highest level from 1937 to today, which is what my data displays.

(06-09-2014 02:59 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Born on date can't matter too much.

Ohio University 1807
Miami University 1809
Cincinnati 1819

Ohio State 1870


And despite OSU coming 60 years after the others, they pushed their way to the front, changed their name, and then had the arrogance to try and sue Ohio U to change their name because they want to be "THE" state university and make Ohio U change their name to Athens College or some demeaning crap.

I think it's funny Miami touts 1809, considering there were no students until 1824 and went out of business between 1873 and 1885.

(06-10-2014 04:55 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:27 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:07 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 08:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 02:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Along that line, look at length of conference membership, most P5 members get by with having the dumb luck of joining a P5 conference decades before any of this mattered.

B1G founded in 1896, by 1899 8 of the current schools were members. OSU in 1912, MSU in 1950, and Penn State in 1900 were the only additions in the 20th Century.

PAC 12 founded in 1915, after 1928 only teams added in 20th century we Az and ASU, 1978.

SEC founded in 1932, 10 current members were founders. Only other additions pre BCS were Ark and SC in 1991.

ACC founded in 1953, 10 founders, 8 still in conference, 2 in other P5 conferences.

and of course the newer Big XII is a reconfiguration of the old SW conference.

If you weren't affiliated with a P5 conference by 1953 your chances of joining one were slim to none.

not surprisingly, there is only 1 G5 conference with similar stability as the lobsters climb on each other in a desperate attempt to escape the boiling pot of water.

FBS is a good ol boys club if there ever was one.

Right. I don't think born on date has as much to do with it as the date you joined a specific conference, b/c there are plenty of universities founded long ago that aren't in the club.

It would be neat to list the oldest colleges who have played at the highest classification (1937-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College), 1973-1977 NCAA Division I, 1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A), but aren't in a P5.

The only one I can think off hand is Tulane.

EDIT: And Rice......and Tulsa, Army, Navy, SMU. That seems to be it.

MAC was founded in 1946 and has been at the highest level of FBS the entire time.

That is just swell. But y'all weren't competing at the highest level from 1937 to today, which is what my data displays.

Show me your data then. Most of the MAC schools were competing at the highest level way before 1937. I just said the conference didn't form until 1946.

(06-10-2014 09:09 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 02:59 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Born on date can't matter too much.

Ohio University 1807
Miami University 1809
Cincinnati 1819

Ohio State 1870


And despite OSU coming 60 years after the others, they pushed their way to the front, changed their name, and then had the arrogance to try and sue Ohio U to change their name because they want to be "THE" state university and make Ohio U change their name to Athens College or some demeaning crap.

I think it's funny Miami touts 1809, considering there were no students until 1824 and went out of business between 1873 and 1885.

No need to get testy just because students had to go to Clifton U because they weren't accepted into Miami.

(06-10-2014 08:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 08:38 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I don't think date founded matters at all.

What matters is tradition at the top level of college football and the AAC has a lot of that.

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Tradition at the top level of football matters? Apparently not, or those teams would be in already.

Not to mention, what tradition at the top of college football do Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Kansas, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Indiana, Washington State and many more P5 schools have?

What matters is which conferences have a few top football TV and bowl draws, and what other teams managed to get in early in those conferences, and luck out.

That is a true statement.

I'm talking more along the lines of comparing the AAC with CUSA/SBC. In terms of football tradition sans Rice it isn't a close comparison.

(06-10-2014 09:20 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 04:55 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:27 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:07 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 08:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Right. I don't think born on date has as much to do with it as the date you joined a specific conference, b/c there are plenty of universities founded long ago that aren't in the club.

It would be neat to list the oldest colleges who have played at the highest classification (1937-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College), 1973-1977 NCAA Division I, 1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A), but aren't in a P5.

The only one I can think off hand is Tulane.

EDIT: And Rice......and Tulsa, Army, Navy, SMU. That seems to be it.

MAC was founded in 1946 and has been at the highest level of FBS the entire time.

That is just swell. But y'all weren't competing at the highest level from 1937 to today, which is what my data displays.

Show me your data then. Most of the MAC schools were competing at the highest level way before 1937. I just said the conference didn't form until 1946.

Miami and Ohio U were competing at the highest level with B1G wins prior to the MAC. Peden Stadium was built in 1929 to be expandable to 29,000 seats and was similar to the stadiums most current ACC and B1G schools were putting up at the time.

OSU and Michigan always had monster stadiums.

(06-09-2014 08:16 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  By P5 Conference:

ACC (including ND): 1: Miami (founded 1925). Oldest ACC School: Univ of Pittsburgh (founded 1787)

Big Ten: Zero. Youngest Big Ten School, Ohio State (1870), Oldest (Rutgers 1766)

SEC: Zero. Youngest SEC School, Miss State (1878), Oldest (Georgia 1785)

Big 12: 1: Texas Tech (1923), Oldest (Baylor, 1845)

Pac-12: 1: UCLA (1919) Oldest (Utah, 1850)

Answer is 3....3 out of the 65 P5 schools were founded after 1900.

Born on Date matters, especially for the elitists. (Its funny, because no one alive today had anything to do with the "founding" of any of the above P5 schools...but all fan boys ALIVE certainly takes credit for what their ancestors did).

No matter when these schools were founded, many of them were nothing but a room and timber until the GI Bill. Most universities around the country were literally one-building finishing schools for a very long time. Even a school like Penn State just exploded in the 1950s, and though many of the Cals may have been founded a long time ago, it wasn't until the 1950s that someone got the bright idea to build them up into world class institutions. Unless you're an Ivy, I'm really not sure that any of this matters.

(06-10-2014 09:20 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 04:55 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:27 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:07 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 08:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Right. I don't think born on date has as much to do with it as the date you joined a specific conference, b/c there are plenty of universities founded long ago that aren't in the club.

It would be neat to list the oldest colleges who have played at the highest classification (1937-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College), 1973-1977 NCAA Division I, 1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A), but aren't in a P5.

The only one I can think off hand is Tulane.

EDIT: And Rice......and Tulsa, Army, Navy, SMU. That seems to be it.

MAC was founded in 1946 and has been at the highest level of FBS the entire time.

That is just swell. But y'all weren't competing at the highest level from 1937 to today, which is what my data displays.

Show me your data then. Most of the MAC schools were competing at the highest level way before 1937. I just said the conference didn't form until 1946.

Is it that time of the month of something? Here is your beloved Miami. They were Small College from 1937-1947 and 1950-1960. Sorry I had to teach you something about your own school.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div.../index.php

1. I am a Miami grad. I received a good education there.
2. No need to make up a story to boost the aura of exclusivity. No, wait...that's what Miami students do! Hey Buffy, you're dad is a middle manager going nowhere and you're from Vandalia. Stop acting like you're upper crust.
3. It isn't hard to get into Miami. That's why they have Middletown and Hamilton. The main campus has boatloads of transfers.
4. Oxford is brain-deadening. I'll take Clifton *any day*...and it's not even close.
5. Miami students by and large are book smart, yet they are some of the most common-sense stupid people I have ever met. I felt like a baby sitter.
6. As the academic profile of "Clifton U" continues to improve and the neighborhood surrounding continues to receive investment, it pushes a school like Miami farther out to the right of the curve to find students (we saw this happening in the last recruiting year). Miami's business school is its bread and butter (I know because I'm a graduate of it), and UC's MBA program just leaped ahead in the rankings...Good Luck!

(06-10-2014 09:24 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 09:09 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 02:59 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Born on date can't matter too much.

Ohio University 1807
Miami University 1809
Cincinnati 1819

Ohio State 1870


And despite OSU coming 60 years after the others, they pushed their way to the front, changed their name, and then had the arrogance to try and sue Ohio U to change their name because they want to be "THE" state university and make Ohio U change their name to Athens College or some demeaning crap.

I think it's funny Miami touts 1809, considering there were no students until 1824 and went out of business between 1873 and 1885.

No need to get testy just because students had to go to Clifton U because they weren't accepted into Miami.

(06-11-2014 08:16 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 08:16 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  By P5 Conference:

ACC (including ND): 1: Miami (founded 1925). Oldest ACC School: Univ of Pittsburgh (founded 1787)

Big Ten: Zero. Youngest Big Ten School, Ohio State (1870), Oldest (Rutgers 1766)

SEC: Zero. Youngest SEC School, Miss State (1878), Oldest (Georgia 1785)

Big 12: 1: Texas Tech (1923), Oldest (Baylor, 1845)

Pac-12: 1: UCLA (1919) Oldest (Utah, 1850)

Answer is 3....3 out of the 65 P5 schools were founded after 1900.

Born on Date matters, especially for the elitists. (Its funny, because no one alive today had anything to do with the "founding" of any of the above P5 schools...but all fan boys ALIVE certainly takes credit for what their ancestors did).

No matter when these schools were founded, many of them were nothing but a room and timber until the GI Bill. Most universities around the country were literally one-building finishing schools for a very long time. Even a school like Penn State just exploded in the 1950s, and though many of the Cals may have been founded a long time ago, it wasn't until the 1950s that someone got the bright idea to build them up into world class institutions. Unless you're an Ivy, I'm really not sure that any of this matters.

That's not true for many State Flagship/Land Grant Universities....hence their built in advantage vs most schools that were founded in the 1900s.

To be perfectly honest, and because of the greed. . . I refer to them as Pee Five, and not P5

I don't think being old really has much to do with besides the fact that means they developed a strong program earlier and developing wide loyalties first (it's always harder to do 2nd when one program has already developed). If you reformed conferences now, most the same schools would be in it, but several out would be the oldest members.

(06-11-2014 09:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 08:16 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 08:16 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  By P5 Conference:

ACC (including ND): 1: Miami (founded 1925). Oldest ACC School: Univ of Pittsburgh (founded 1787)

Big Ten: Zero. Youngest Big Ten School, Ohio State (1870), Oldest (Rutgers 1766)

SEC: Zero. Youngest SEC School, Miss State (1878), Oldest (Georgia 1785)

Big 12: 1: Texas Tech (1923), Oldest (Baylor, 1845)

Pac-12: 1: UCLA (1919) Oldest (Utah, 1850)

Answer is 3....3 out of the 65 P5 schools were founded after 1900.

Born on Date matters, especially for the elitists. (Its funny, because no one alive today had anything to do with the "founding" of any of the above P5 schools...but all fan boys ALIVE certainly takes credit for what their ancestors did).

No matter when these schools were founded, many of them were nothing but a room and timber until the GI Bill. Most universities around the country were literally one-building finishing schools for a very long time. Even a school like Penn State just exploded in the 1950s, and though many of the Cals may have been founded a long time ago, it wasn't until the 1950s that someone got the bright idea to build them up into world class institutions. Unless you're an Ivy, I'm really not sure that any of this matters.

That's not true for many State Flagship/Land Grant Universities....hence their built in advantage vs most schools that were founded in the 1900s.

It's true of Penn State, the SUNY's, UConn, the California schools, and many many others I can name. Many big schools that we see today were even small privates 75 years ago.

(06-10-2014 11:07 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 08:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 02:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Along that line, look at length of conference membership, most P5 members get by with having the dumb luck of joining a P5 conference decades before any of this mattered.

B1G founded in 1896, by 1899 8 of the current schools were members. OSU in 1912, MSU in 1950, and Penn State in 1900 were the only additions in the 20th Century.

PAC 12 founded in 1915, after 1928 only teams added in 20th century we Az and ASU, 1978.

SEC founded in 1932, 10 current members were founders. Only other additions pre BCS were Ark and SC in 1991.

ACC founded in 1953, 10 founders, 8 still in conference, 2 in other P5 conferences.

and of course the newer Big XII is a reconfiguration of the old SW conference.

If you weren't affiliated with a P5 conference by 1953 your chances of joining one were slim to none.

not surprisingly, there is only 1 G5 conference with similar stability as the lobsters climb on each other in a desperate attempt to escape the boiling pot of water.

FBS is a good ol boys club if there ever was one.

Right. I don't think born on date has as much to do with it as the date you joined a specific conference, b/c there are plenty of universities founded long ago that aren't in the club.

It would be neat to list the oldest colleges who have played at the highest classification (1937-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College), 1973-1977 NCAA Division I, 1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A), but aren't in a P5.

The only one I can think off hand is Tulane.

EDIT: And Rice......and Tulsa, Army, Navy, SMU. That seems to be it.

It's an interesting question, but unfortunately one that can not be answered factually. If you go by the official NCAA designations, no team, including all the P5 teams fit your criteria. The division structure was a little fuzzy in the early days, as people were a little busy fighting a war.

The ones that cover the criteria, if we give a little leeway are New Mexico, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy and Army. Utah State would also fit the bill if we forgive them the year they did not play football during the war. SMU has to be forgiven the death penalty years. Others who did play football a few years, but were top division the whole time were Colorado State, BYU. UTEP and Wyoming.

(06-10-2014 10:26 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 09:20 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 04:55 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:27 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:07 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  It would be neat to list the oldest colleges who have played at the highest classification (1937-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College), 1973-1977 NCAA Division I, 1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A), but aren't in a P5.

The only one I can think off hand is Tulane.

EDIT: And Rice......and Tulsa, Army, Navy, SMU. That seems to be it.

MAC was founded in 1946 and has been at the highest level of FBS the entire time.

That is just swell. But y'all weren't competing at the highest level from 1937 to today, which is what my data displays.

Show me your data then. Most of the MAC schools were competing at the highest level way before 1937. I just said the conference didn't form until 1946.

Miami and Ohio U were competing at the highest level with B1G wins prior to the MAC. Peden Stadium was built in 1929 to be expandable to 29,000 seats and was similar to the stadiums most current ACC and B1G schools were putting up at the time.

OSU and Michigan always had monster stadiums.

In 1929 Tulane Stadium held 35,000. Less than 20 years later (1947), it was over 80,000. *sigh*

(06-10-2014 11:07 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 08:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 02:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Along that line, look at length of conference membership, most P5 members get by with having the dumb luck of joining a P5 conference decades before any of this mattered.

B1G founded in 1896, by 1899 8 of the current schools were members. OSU in 1912, MSU in 1950, and Penn State in 1900 were the only additions in the 20th Century.

PAC 12 founded in 1915, after 1928 only teams added in 20th century we Az and ASU, 1978.

SEC founded in 1932, 10 current members were founders. Only other additions pre BCS were Ark and SC in 1991.

ACC founded in 1953, 10 founders, 8 still in conference, 2 in other P5 conferences.

and of course the newer Big XII is a reconfiguration of the old SW conference.

If you weren't affiliated with a P5 conference by 1953 your chances of joining one were slim to none.

not surprisingly, there is only 1 G5 conference with similar stability as the lobsters climb on each other in a desperate attempt to escape the boiling pot of water.

FBS is a good ol boys club if there ever was one.

Right. I don't think born on date has as much to do with it as the date you joined a specific conference, b/c there are plenty of universities founded long ago that aren't in the club.

It would be neat to list the oldest colleges who have played at the highest classification (1937-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College), 1973-1977 NCAA Division I, 1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A), but aren't in a P5.

The only one I can think off hand is Tulane.

EDIT: And Rice......and Tulsa, Army, Navy, SMU. That seems to be it.

6 out of all the others...that's pretty telling.

Good ole boys club...thats what most are in P5...riding the coattails of others.

I'm guessing lots of Tulane grads now wish their school had taken their beatings & remained in the SEC. Same for GA Tech who left due to Bobby Dodd's ego because he could consistently win in the SEC (in particular couldn't beat UGA consistently). While GA Tech found a home in the ACC, they give up a lot of money in comparison. And what was Tulane thinking, surely not academics...

(08-09-2014 10:21 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm guessing lots of Tulane grads now wish their school had taken their beatings & remained in the SEC. Same for GA Tech who left due to Bobby Dodd's ego because he could consistently win in the SEC (in particular couldn't beat UGA consistently). While GA Tech found a home in the ACC, they give up a lot of money in comparison. And what was Tulane thinking, surely not academics...

very true statement... it is our largest regret in schools history. The good news is unlike sawannee. we have always maintained the D-1 level. We would have gone to the ACC when Georgia tech did if our geography was more eastern at the time. Now with travel being so spread for all conferences we are no longer as much a geography problem for all three conferences(ACC, SEC, Big 12) my desire is to have us in a power 6 conference AAC. And if we cannot get the power added, one of the three will be fine by me.(if we earn it)

(08-08-2014 12:59 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 11:07 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  Right. I don't think born on date has as much to do with it as the date you joined a specific conference, b/c there are plenty of universities founded long ago that aren't in the club.


It would be neat to list the oldest colleges who have played at the highest classification (1937-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College), 1973-1977 NCAA Division I, 1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A), but aren't in a P5.

The only one I can think off hand is Tulane.

EDIT: And Rice......and Tulsa, Army, Navy, SMU. That seems to be it.

6 out of all the others...that's pretty telling.

If you list SMU, then you should also list Memphis (only one year difference). We became "Major College" in 1958, and spent a great portion of the following years as a "Southern Independent" along with Florida State, Tulane, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech, etc., winning a decent share of games against them.