literally 95% of the thing in this thread that are against usm perfectly describe what boise st is..Boise got greedy but we wanted them...

like i said if USM can return to winning when realignment starts again in 7-10 years, im talkig top 25 finishes, they'll jump to the front of the list

(08-04-2014 09:14 PM)Savacool Wrote:  Southern Miss is a great school but they are tier 2 academic, in a minuscule market, lowly annual athletic budget and cannot win football games for two years.

Wait a minute, u are talking about USM cannot win football games for two years ? First of all, this all started with the hire of Ellis..bad bad decision on us..but it's our fault and yes, I guess you are right, we have been 1-23 the last two seasons...but before that, we were in an 18 yr winning streak, not to mention bowl streak. Now, correct me if I'm wrong...but are u a Tulane fan ?? Tulane ?? You are wanting to say someone else can't win football games ?? Shaking my head at that one..haha. The only, I mean only reason you got in is because of the N.O. Market, not because of wins/losses or bowl games or tradition...no other reason, but market.......but yes, y'all made it. Tulane has no reason to talk Smack with anyone, especially USM.


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(08-04-2014 09:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  like i said if USM can return to winning when realignment starts again in 7-10 years, im talkig top 25 finishes, they'll jump to the front of the list

Not only that, pesik

USM has to invest heavily on their athletic facilities, but more so on the football stadium... But even if they manage these goals, I still doubt Mike Aresco and AAC members will be in favor in no market school.

Here's what I think future members must bring to AAC table

1. Market
2. New Athletic Facilities (new big football stadium)
3. Winning Tradition

(08-04-2014 10:32 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 09:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  like i said if USM can return to winning when realignment starts again in 7-10 years, im talkig top 25 finishes, they'll jump to the front of the list

Not only that, pesik

USM has to invest heavily on their athletic facilities, but more so on the football stadium... But even if they manage these goals, I still doubt Mike Aresco and AAC members will be in favor in no market school.

Here's what I think future members must bring to AAC table

1. Market
2. New Athletic Facilities (new big football stadium)
3. Winning Tradition

yeah...I think 1 and 2 are right. I don't see a lot of options out there for #3 though.

Thank god SMU is in Dallas

(08-04-2014 08:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Wonder what Eagle in Yune is doing these days?

He's still around....posts regularly on the USM Rivals forum

I could be wrong, but from reading the Conference USA board most Southern Miss fans seem to be just fine staying in Conference USA.

Southern Miss is a low budget, small market school with a fine football tradition. Their path to the American Conference is the same as Tulsa's.

They are a "replacement" candidate should someone leave. They are not an "expansion" candidate which increases the size of the pie for all the current members.

There are only 3 "expansion" candidates: BYU, Air Force and Army.

There are several "replacement" candidates, and their chances depend on who they are replacing. Rice will never replace UCF/USF or UConn or Cincy if those schools leave. But if Houston leaves, Rice is probably the #1 replacement candidate to join Tulane, SMU, Tulsa and Navy in the Western Division.

Southern Miss's best chance is if USF or UCF leaves. UMass's best chance is if UConn leaves.

(08-04-2014 06:13 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  Haha. But you look down the same barrel we are, then you will see my point


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Have you not read the CUSA board, there is no difference between the new CUSA and AAC.

now from serious side, you got a raw deal in shake up. but an easier path to conf domination.

(08-04-2014 09:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  like i said if USM can return to winning when realignment starts again in 7-10 years, im talkig top 25 finishes, they'll jump to the front of the list

I'm not sure about that. The big problem USM has is market.

(08-04-2014 10:32 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 09:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  like i said if USM can return to winning when realignment starts again in 7-10 years, im talkig top 25 finishes, they'll jump to the front of the list

Not only that, pesik

USM has to invest heavily on their athletic facilities, but more so on the football stadium... But even if they manage these goals, I still doubt Mike Aresco and AAC members will be in favor in no market school.

Here's what I think future members must bring to AAC table

1. Market
2. New Athletic Facilities (new big football stadium)
3. Winning Tradition

boise is in a horrible market
tulsa is in a below average market, lesser budget, and thier stadium isnt exactly the rose bowl ..and unlike USM tulsa has only a 5k student body

tulsa was added solely for Winning

and as for budgets in public schools, winning on a national level cures all ill, im certain tons of teams considered houston a low budget team during our dark ages in the early 2000's...if they win on a national level (top 25, conference championship type seasons) facilities will improve, budgets will get bigger ..and im certain if usm was told they had to build a new stadium to join the league, theyd build a new stadium

the tulsa add shows he knows we have enough "markets"..and are now fighting for perception (tulsa was top 25 when invited) ..if usm becomes a semi-regular top 25 team in the next round of alignment in 8-10 years.. IMHO they become a top target

the question to me is whether or not they can become that

USM collapsed at the worst time, a year before alignment additions and not only that..it put them in a bad spot in the new c-usa, normally when a conference has drastic changes like c-usa is having, picking up a lot of weak transitioning teams, the leftovers would normally use that as an opportunity to sit themselves a top the league and build on that (like what Marshall and rice are doing) but instead usm is going through a worse rebuilding process than the new teams..and there is no indication USM will return to the top besides "Hope"

(08-05-2014 06:30 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 09:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  like i said if USM can return to winning when realignment starts again in 7-10 years, im talkig top 25 finishes, they'll jump to the front of the list

I'm not sure about that. The big problem USM has is market.

ECU didn't have a market either. Not saying we should add USM or anything but the market arguments are overblown IMHO, as evidenced by our paltry TV deal.

(08-05-2014 04:40 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  I could be wrong, but from reading the Conference USA board most Southern Miss fans seem to be just fine staying in Conference USA.

Wrong


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(08-04-2014 09:37 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 09:22 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 09:12 PM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  Sorry Trest3 meant no offense I promise and I think you have a valid point so now that we've all been put in the situation we can all see beyond opinions as to who is right. Good luck to uconn and all my American breathren. We could both be correct and all prosper.

None taken. It's just for all the "let's build this conference together" stuff I see on here, it's balanced out with tons of excuse making about why this same core group of schools have all been somehow wronged by UConn, Cincy and USF. No matter how you slice it, this conference is an upgrade over whatever CUSA was the last few years. How many national championships in any sport, other than golf, did CUSA bring home?

Oh boy are we getting in a measuring contest now? The short answer is uconn was afforded advantages by virtue of its bball brand. The rest of us didn't have those advantages.


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We earned our "advantages that you didnt have." You could have had those advantages too, if you didn't suck at basketball. But you did, so you didnt.

(08-05-2014 07:28 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 09:37 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 09:22 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 09:12 PM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  Sorry Trest3 meant no offense I promise and I think you have a valid point so now that we've all been put in the situation we can all see beyond opinions as to who is right. Good luck to uconn and all my American breathren. We could both be correct and all prosper.

None taken. It's just for all the "let's build this conference together" stuff I see on here, it's balanced out with tons of excuse making about why this same core group of schools have all been somehow wronged by UConn, Cincy and USF. No matter how you slice it, this conference is an upgrade over whatever CUSA was the last few years. How many national championships in any sport, other than golf, did CUSA bring home?

Oh boy are we getting in a measuring contest now? The short answer is uconn was afforded advantages by virtue of its bball brand. The rest of us didn't have those advantages.


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We earned our "advantages that you didnt have." You could have had those advantages too, if you didn't suck at basketball. But you did, so you didnt.

No we just started our program later. Heck we made the tourney before. We had our first down year in a long time in two rebuilding years. The reason we didn't get in when usf did is because usf had just built the sun dome and we hadn't built the new arena yet. Then we got genshafted. Look it up. Again the only reason uconn isn't a d2 football program is because you lucked into a bcs conference


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(08-04-2014 10:35 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Wonder what Eagle in Yune is doing these days?

He's still around....posts regularly on the USM Rivals forum

What name does he post under?

I think that Aresco is aware of the perception that the American is C-USA reborn and that it will take a lot for another C-USA school to be added to the conference.

I agree that it would take a Boise-like run in football for USM to be considered; a run of 12-win seasons and a couple of access bowl wins would make them real attractive.

That said, at least USM gets to move west, where they should have some good games that I'll watch. Playing LaTech, North Texas, Rice, UAB, UTEP and UTSA makes for better TV than playing most of the teams in the East save Marshall. At least for the time being.

Good luck, USM.


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Southern Miss can rot in C-USA for all eternity. Destroyed the best team Houston ever had and are now 2-23 since then and rightfully so.

Blah

(08-04-2014 07:24 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  ...

It sucks but what would they bring beyond happy warm feelings to the old members?

Another close driveable game for me with comp tix. Well, you asked.

(08-05-2014 07:19 AM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 04:40 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  I could be wrong, but from reading the Conference USA board most Southern Miss fans seem to be just fine staying in Conference USA.

Wrong


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Yep, folks down here are far from happy...though lately some seem resigned. I do know the call went out to major donors after the snub, but haven't heard specifics as far as $ & allocations.

SMTTT!

UCONN fans,

I think what the ex-CUSA fans are more or less saying is that your growth after joining the Big East was accelerated becuse of being a BCS level school.


ex- CUSA fans,

I think what UCONN fans are saying is that because their fans and athletic department had invested so much $ and support in their basketball program for so long, they were able to reep those benefits and build the other athletic facilities that afforded them an invite to the Big East. So, if those ex--CUSA schools had a basketball program that were as good or as stories as the UCONN basketball program perhaps your school would have been able to build off of it like they did.

Personally, I feel like too many people try to point at 1 thing like (market, tradition, winning, academics, or geographic location). When it is really a combination of everything (all of the above) that is used to determine qualification for any particular conference upgrade. Some conferences weigh certain criteria more than others.

Market works as a strong deciding factor for conferences ready rich in performance, tradition, and history and they just need new markets to sell all of it in. (PAC XII, BIG 10, SEC). Conferences like CUSA, and MWC market is not as strong of a qualifier as the previously mentioned conferences.

It always drove me crazy during realignment when people would say, "HOUSTON, Memphis, and Orlando markets didn't do anything for CUSA so what makes you think your market is going to bring anything to our conference X ?"

The PAC 12 and BIG 10 have shown what they think of markets. The SEC is so ridiculously ahead of all the others football wise they could park a flag in Midland Texas and it would turn to gold. So, while ATM wasn't in a big market their program resembled the other conference members and it worked.