(08-04-2014 08:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  Spurrier picked on the B1G because he is a master at getting under the skin of big dogs with overblown egos and he loves doing it.

Right. Anyone who has followed college football at all knows that Spurrier has always enjoyed trolling other teams. When some Florida State players were busted for helping themselves to several pairs of shoes, Spurrier called FSU "Free Shoes University". He once said (while he's been at South Carolina) that he likes playing Georgia the second game of the season because they usually have to suspend several players for the first couple of games. And on and on and on.

(08-04-2014 01:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  Spurrier picked on the B1G because he is a master at getting under the skin of big dogs with overblown egos and he loves doing it.

Right. Anyone who has followed college football at all knows that Spurrier has always enjoyed trolling other teams. When some Florida State players were busted for helping themselves to several pairs of shoes, Spurrier called FSU "Free Shoes University". He once said (while he's been at South Carolina) that he likes playing Georgia the second game of the season because they usually have to suspend several players for the first couple of games. And on and on and on.

Or when he was at Florida- you can't spell the Citrus Bowl without UT(jabbing Tennessee who always got stuck there)....

(08-04-2014 09:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think Spurrier was talking specifically for South Carolina. Of course for them ECU would be harder than a Big Ten team. Why? Because a lot of times, guys that go to ECU played with/against South Carolina players. So they feel like they can compete with them. A lower tier Big Ten team just wouldn't have that emotional connection that ECU has.

Good point.

Also, when you look at what he actually said:

“Well I like the other conferences, too. Heck, those guys deserve the chance to go play just like the big conferences,” Spurrier said. “The SEC – we’ve got some down the line teams just like every conference has down the line teams. The big five conferences all playing each other, I don’t think that makes a lot of sense really. Playing East Carolina is a lot tougher game than maybe picking up one of those bottom Big Ten teams. Plus the fans around here, we’d rather see a team from close by.”

...it sounds less like a dig at anybody and more like he's just more interested in playing a couple of regional foes than some other school he has no connection to just because they are in another power conference.

The point everyone is overlooking is that if Spurrier is correct then American is a lot stronger than they are given credit for. Ecu is only picked to be 4th in the American. Maybe that so called back handed compliment is actually an unintended admission that the American is actually closer to the p5's on the field than people want to admit

(08-04-2014 06:38 PM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  The point everyone is overlooking is that if Spurrier is correct then American is a lot stronger than they are given credit for. Ecu is only picked to be 4th in the American. Maybe that so called back handed compliment is actually an unintended admission that the American is actually closer to the p5's on the field than people want to admit

This ^^^

The AAC is already a fine football league, hands down.

(08-04-2014 08:54 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:22 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:52 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  I don't disagree, ECU could beat Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Rutgers, and Maryland regularly. ECU is a P5 strength team most years for sure (Probably the best on average in North Carolina).

That is five teams out of fourteen. I don't even agree that ECU would beat them regularly. In fact, ECU's quality has taken a little dive where as teams like Maryland, Indiana and Rutgers are improving.

But you go ahead and listen to all the hate as if it is anything more than that.

I live in Chicago and I see B10 teams on a regular basis. You can lie to yourself all that you want, but the B10 is only 1 or 2 really good teams; 5 decent/good teams and the rest are plain awful. Don't feel bad though, because the ACC, Pac12 and B12 are only about that deep too. The reason that most fans don't recognize it is because middle P5 schools try to avoid playing some of the top G5 programs.

Yeah, and your belief in ECU is surely 100% realistic and not at all biased in how you think they would fare against the Big Ten despite having no evidence to base any such belief on.

Pardon me if I only laugh at a bunch of Southerners taking shots at the Big Ten.

You lost the war, I would say get over it but I do so enjoy watching people still act as if it matters to them.

(08-04-2014 08:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:38 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:34 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Is that a compliment?

I'm sure our coaching staff will use it as motivation. It really is a bit of backhanded coach speak. I imagine that ECU would be favored against roughly half of the B1G on a neutral field.

I don't believe they would usually be favored against the bottom half of the B1G. But they would probably be favored as often as not.

They have been a little below par for them the past few years. Even so, their average Sagarin power ranking would still put them near the center of the B1G. Some years they might only be ranked ahead of 5 teams, sometimes 7-8. Spurrier's point isn't so much exactly where do they rank, as it is that the added excitement of being a regional rivalry makes them a tougher out than lower tier B1G schools.

Spurrier picked on the B1G because he is a master at getting under the skin of big dogs with overblown egos and he loves doing it. What he said about ECU vs B1G is just as true of the other P5 conferences as well. The only league that doesn't have four or five bottom feeders is the Big 12, and that's only because they have fewer teams than everybody else.

There are years when ECU would beat just as many SEC teams as they would Big Ten teams. Miss State? Ole Miss? Vandy? Kentucky? Missouri has bad years as does Tennessee. Florida has been looking rather mediocre lately yet.....oh it is the Big Ten that has teams ECU could beat.

What a joke. You Southerners have serious head issues.

(08-04-2014 08:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:38 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:34 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Is that a compliment?

I'm sure our coaching staff will use it as motivation. It really is a bit of backhanded coach speak. I imagine that ECU would be favored against roughly half of the B1G on a neutral field.

I don't believe they would usually be favored against the bottom half of the B1G. But they would probably be favored as often as not.

They have been a little below par for them the past few years. Even so, their average Sagarin power ranking would still put them near the center of the B1G. Some years they might only be ranked ahead of 5 teams, sometimes 7-8. Spurrier's point isn't so much exactly where do they rank, as it is that the added excitement of being a regional rivalry makes them a tougher out than lower tier B1G schools.

Spurrier picked on the B1G because he is a master at getting under the skin of big dogs with overblown egos and he loves doing it. What he said about ECU vs B1G is just as true of the other P5 conferences as well. The only league that doesn't have four or five bottom feeders is the Big 12, and that's only because they have fewer teams than everybody else.

There are years when ECU would beat just as many SEC teams as they would Big Ten teams. Miss State? Ole Miss? Vandy? Kentucky? Missouri has bad years as does Tennessee. Florida has been looking rather mediocre lately yet.....oh it is the Big Ten that has teams ECU could beat.

What a joke. You Southerners have serious head issues.

Still having trouble with reading comprehension I see. Keep trying, He1nie. You'll get one right one of these days. They say even a blind hog finds an ear of corn every now and again.

Spurrier's right. I don't think that's even debatable.


Just another example of Spurrier being a great troll, however. "Free Shoes University", "You can't spell Citrus Bowl without UT", "Ray Goof", "oh wait, that's right, there are two Death Valleys. Forgot about that other one", "Nick Saban isn't maxing out at Alabama."


Always something with the Old Ball Coach -----

(08-04-2014 08:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  There are years when ECU would beat just as many SEC teams as they would Big Ten teams. Miss State? Ole Miss? Vandy? Kentucky? Missouri has bad years as does Tennessee. Florida has been looking rather mediocre lately yet.....oh it is the Big Ten that has teams ECU could beat.

What a joke. You Southerners have serious head issues.

Again, read the quote... Spurrier acknowledges this.

“Well I like the other conferences, too. Heck, those guys deserve the chance to go play just like the big conferences,” Spurrier said. “The SEC – we’ve got some down the line teams just like every conference has down the line teams. The big five conferences all playing each other, I don’t think that makes a lot of sense really. Playing East Carolina is a lot tougher game than maybe picking up one of those bottom Big Ten teams. Plus the fans around here, we’d rather see a team from close by.”

I know his reputation, but I really don't think he's taking a shot at anybody here (unless you consider his claim that SC fans would rather see teams from 'close by' as a shot at schools that are further away).

And what's with the hatred of Southerners? Chillax, man.

(08-04-2014 08:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:38 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:34 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Is that a compliment?

I'm sure our coaching staff will use it as motivation. It really is a bit of backhanded coach speak. I imagine that ECU would be favored against roughly half of the B1G on a neutral field.

I don't believe they would usually be favored against the bottom half of the B1G. But they would probably be favored as often as not.

They have been a little below par for them the past few years. Even so, their average Sagarin power ranking would still put them near the center of the B1G. Some years they might only be ranked ahead of 5 teams, sometimes 7-8. Spurrier's point isn't so much exactly where do they rank, as it is that the added excitement of being a regional rivalry makes them a tougher out than lower tier B1G schools.

Spurrier picked on the B1G because he is a master at getting under the skin of big dogs with overblown egos and he loves doing it. What he said about ECU vs B1G is just as true of the other P5 conferences as well. The only league that doesn't have four or five bottom feeders is the Big 12, and that's only because they have fewer teams than everybody else.

There are years when ECU would beat just as many SEC teams as they would Big Ten teams. Miss State? Ole Miss? Vandy? Kentucky? Missouri has bad years as does Tennessee. Florida has been looking rather mediocre lately yet.....oh it is the Big Ten that has teams ECU could beat.

What a joke. You Southerners have serious head issues.

Not really. We just by and large play better football top to bottom as a conference. The top of the SEC is slightly better than the top of the Big 10 right now, our middles are about the same, and your bottom is slightly larger than ours. I'd say that E.C.U. would have its hands full with Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, or Ole Miss in their recent iterations. Kentucky not so much and Florida wreaked last year. But please Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, and to a lesser extent Illinois have all had issues! Purdue may have been worse than Kansas last year. So I think that is what Spurrier is getting at.

This thread is a fun read. Thanks Steve.

(08-04-2014 08:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:38 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:34 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Is that a compliment?

I'm sure our coaching staff will use it as motivation. It really is a bit of backhanded coach speak. I imagine that ECU would be favored against roughly half of the B1G on a neutral field.

I don't believe they would usually be favored against the bottom half of the B1G. But they would probably be favored as often as not.

They have been a little below par for them the past few years. Even so, their average Sagarin power ranking would still put them near the center of the B1G. Some years they might only be ranked ahead of 5 teams, sometimes 7-8. Spurrier's point isn't so much exactly where do they rank, as it is that the added excitement of being a regional rivalry makes them a tougher out than lower tier B1G schools.

Spurrier picked on the B1G because he is a master at getting under the skin of big dogs with overblown egos and he loves doing it. What he said about ECU vs B1G is just as true of the other P5 conferences as well. The only league that doesn't have four or five bottom feeders is the Big 12, and that's only because they have fewer teams than everybody else.

There are years when ECU would beat just as many SEC teams as they would Big Ten teams. Miss State? Ole Miss? Vandy? Kentucky? Missouri has bad years as does Tennessee. Florida has been looking rather mediocre lately yet.....oh it is the Big Ten that has teams ECU could beat.

What a joke. You Southerners have serious head issues.

Not really. We just by and large play better football top to bottom as a conference. The top of the SEC is slightly better than the top of the Big 10 right now, our middles are about the same, and your bottom is slightly larger than ours. I'd say that E.C.U. would have its hands full with Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, or Ole Miss in their recent iterations. Kentucky not so much and Florida wreaked last year. But please Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, and to a lesser extent Illinois have all had issues! Purdue may have been worse than Kansas last year. So I think that is what Spurrier is getting at.

Minnesota is starting to show some life, I don't think they deserve to be put in the same group as the Indiana schools, Northwestern and Minnesota are moving to the mid-tier of the Big Ten. That said, usually I agree with and side with you H1 but I really can't on this one, ECU could go toe to toe with the bottom of any P5 conference and do well, not just us northerners here in the Big Ten.

Good luck finding me ripping any conference relative to how good they are. However top to bottom the SEC is the best period.
It started when they hired yankee coaches.

So as I have said before someone's childish remarks about geography. If ecu is honestly a solid to very good team then the American is honestly a very decent conference. Maybe we don't have that superstar team yet but better than the media driven bias.that's my objective opinion ok, not smack talking at all

(08-04-2014 08:54 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Good luck finding me ripping any conference relative to how good they are. However top to bottom the SEC is the best period.
It started when they hired yankee coaches.

Well we did have an inbred coaching pool with everyone being either a disciple of Bear Bryant, Pat Dye (a disciple of Bear), or Vince Dooley (a disciple of Shug Jordan, and Charlie McClendon and all of them were adherents of the philosophy that three things could happen if you passed and two of them were bad. Therefore for a couple of decades the SEC actually played some of the most boring offensive ball in college football, but we did still play the best defense around as a whole. When the former MAC coaches who migrated to the Big 10 before heading South arrived the coaching pool was reinvigorated. And now those are being supplanted by the Malzahn types. So I agree with you. It took some Yankee coaches to shake things up for the good of the game and I am grateful for that.

In the mid 70's I watched an Auburn team struggle to 3 wins and a tie in one season when we had these guys on offense: Byron Franklin (WR, later with the Buffalo Bills), Joe Cribbs (RB, later with the Buffalo Bills), James Brooks (RB, later with the Cincinnati Bengals), and William Andrews (FB, later with the Atlanta Falcons). The place kicker for that team was Neil O'Donohue who later kicked for the Cardinals I believe, but was one of the first Auburn kickers who could consistently hit from 50 yards out. Doug Barfield was the Head Coach and it was a version of the veer that we ran and guess what? We only threw the ball on third and long. I think that this particular Auburn team may have been the greatest waste of all star talent in the history of the game. Chizik's last season came close, but was still solidly in second place.

(08-04-2014 08:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:38 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:34 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Is that a compliment?

I'm sure our coaching staff will use it as motivation. It really is a bit of backhanded coach speak. I imagine that ECU would be favored against roughly half of the B1G on a neutral field.

I don't believe they would usually be favored against the bottom half of the B1G. But they would probably be favored as often as not.

They have been a little below par for them the past few years. Even so, their average Sagarin power ranking would still put them near the center of the B1G. Some years they might only be ranked ahead of 5 teams, sometimes 7-8. Spurrier's point isn't so much exactly where do they rank, as it is that the added excitement of being a regional rivalry makes them a tougher out than lower tier B1G schools.

Spurrier picked on the B1G because he is a master at getting under the skin of big dogs with overblown egos and he loves doing it. What he said about ECU vs B1G is just as true of the other P5 conferences as well. The only league that doesn't have four or five bottom feeders is the Big 12, and that's only because they have fewer teams than everybody else.

There are years when ECU would beat just as many SEC teams as they would Big Ten teams. Miss State? Ole Miss? Vandy? Kentucky? Missouri has bad years as does Tennessee. Florida has been looking rather mediocre lately yet.....oh it is the Big Ten that has teams ECU could beat.

What a joke. You Southerners have serious head issues.

I am a Northerner. I have lived in Chicago for basically my whole life (48 years now), except for the time that I was in the military, away at college or in Los Angeles working for the Feds. So I have been watching the B10, Notre Dame and the MAC schools getting their azzes kicked for over 40 years by southern and western schools.. What you don't understand is that ECU, UCF, USF, Houston, Tulane, SMU, Memphis and Cincinnati have players that are just as good if not better than the average B10 teams. It is probably hard for you to comprehend that point, because you probably see the AAC and ECU the same way that you see the MAC. You never even bothered to notice that UNC (an alleged dark horse national title contender) was blown out on their own field by ECU. ECU also blew out NC State at NC State, but in your mind ECU is not as good as Purdue, Illinois, Iowa or Minnesota. Child please.

(08-04-2014 09:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:54 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Good luck finding me ripping any conference relative to how good they are. However top to bottom the SEC is the best period.
It started when they hired yankee coaches.

Well we did have an inbred coaching pool with everyone being either a disciple of Bear Bryant, Pat Dye (a disciple of Bear), or Vince Dooley (a disciple of Shug Jordan, and Charlie McClendon and all of them were adherents of the philosophy that three things could happen if you passed and two of them were bad. Therefore for a couple of decades the SEC actually played some of the most boring offensive ball in college football, but we did still play the best defense around as a whole. When the former MAC coaches who migrated to the Big 10 before heading South arrived the coaching pool was reinvigorated. And now those are being supplanted by the Malzahn types. So I agree with you. It took some Yankee coaches to shake things up for the good of the game and I am grateful for that.

In the mid 70's I watched an Auburn team struggle to 3 wins and a tie in one season when we had these guys on offense: Byron Franklin (WR, later with the Buffalo Bills), Joe Cribbs (RB, later with the Buffalo Bills), James Brooks (RB, later with the Cincinnati Bengals), and William Andrews (FB, later with the Atlanta Falcons). The place kicker for that team was Neil O'Donohue who later kicked for the Cardinals I believe, but was one of the first Auburn kickers who could consistently hit from 50 yards out. Doug Barfield was the Head Coach and it was a version of the veer that we ran and guess what? We only threw the ball on third and long. I think that this particular Auburn team may have been the greatest waste of all star talent in the history of the game. Chizik's last season came close, but was still solidly in second place.

JR, there have been great Southern coaches, The Bear was the man. But over the past 10 years, Urban, Miles, Saban, even Stoops all Ohio guys. FWIW I really like Tubs and his crew up here and they are pretty much Southern.

(08-04-2014 08:43 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:38 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  I'm sure our coaching staff will use it as motivation. It really is a bit of backhanded coach speak. I imagine that ECU would be favored against roughly half of the B1G on a neutral field.

I don't believe they would usually be favored against the bottom half of the B1G. But they would probably be favored as often as not.

They have been a little below par for them the past few years. Even so, their average Sagarin power ranking would still put them near the center of the B1G. Some years they might only be ranked ahead of 5 teams, sometimes 7-8. Spurrier's point isn't so much exactly where do they rank, as it is that the added excitement of being a regional rivalry makes them a tougher out than lower tier B1G schools.

Spurrier picked on the B1G because he is a master at getting under the skin of big dogs with overblown egos and he loves doing it. What he said about ECU vs B1G is just as true of the other P5 conferences as well. The only league that doesn't have four or five bottom feeders is the Big 12, and that's only because they have fewer teams than everybody else.

There are years when ECU would beat just as many SEC teams as they would Big Ten teams. Miss State? Ole Miss? Vandy? Kentucky? Missouri has bad years as does Tennessee. Florida has been looking rather mediocre lately yet.....oh it is the Big Ten that has teams ECU could beat.

What a joke. You Southerners have serious head issues.

Not really. We just by and large play better football top to bottom as a conference. The top of the SEC is slightly better than the top of the Big 10 right now, our middles are about the same, and your bottom is slightly larger than ours. I'd say that E.C.U. would have its hands full with Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, or Ole Miss in their recent iterations. Kentucky not so much and Florida wreaked last year. But please Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, and to a lesser extent Illinois have all had issues! Purdue may have been worse than Kansas last year. So I think that is what Spurrier is getting at.

Minnesota is starting to show some life, I don't think they deserve to be put in the same group as the Indiana schools, Northwestern and Minnesota are moving to the mid-tier of the Big Ten. That said, usually I agree with and side with you H1 but I really can't on this one, ECU could go toe to toe with the bottom of any P5 conference and do well, not just us northerners here in the Big Ten.

Sorry but Indiana is improving, Minnesota is improving. Illinois...I don't know what is up with them. They need to stop hamstringing themselves in recruiting. Maryland the last couple years would have beaten ECU. Rutgers? Well I think it shall be proven that in a few years, they will have impressed.

So who are we talking are the easy wins for ECU? Illinois? Purdue? Congrats. I don't think any others are gimme's for ECU. The person that got ME going was the person that said ECU could take half of the Big Ten with no problem. That is complete and utter horse **** and I am sorry if you are not willing to tell these people what is up but I have watched ECU a bit the last few years and the program is on the slide downward not upwards and really wasn't that impressive.

What impresses me about ECU is how loyal the fans are and how many of them there are for where ECU has been. Their team hasn't been that great lately.

As others have said, Spurrier was trolling. Seems he was trolling these Southern fans as much as anyone else.

So if folks want to go north hating, then by all means go for it. This forum is predominantly Southern and the practice seems to be appreciated by the Admin and many of the mods. Honestly its not a big deal to me but I love to point it out.

People love to bandwagon hate on the Big Ten, even on something as stupid as this that is completely unprovable. Southern Idiots.

(08-04-2014 09:18 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 08:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:38 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:34 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Is that a compliment?

I'm sure our coaching staff will use it as motivation. It really is a bit of backhanded coach speak. I imagine that ECU would be favored against roughly half of the B1G on a neutral field.

I don't believe they would usually be favored against the bottom half of the B1G. But they would probably be favored as often as not.

They have been a little below par for them the past few years. Even so, their average Sagarin power ranking would still put them near the center of the B1G. Some years they might only be ranked ahead of 5 teams, sometimes 7-8. Spurrier's point isn't so much exactly where do they rank, as it is that the added excitement of being a regional rivalry makes them a tougher out than lower tier B1G schools.

Spurrier picked on the B1G because he is a master at getting under the skin of big dogs with overblown egos and he loves doing it. What he said about ECU vs B1G is just as true of the other P5 conferences as well. The only league that doesn't have four or five bottom feeders is the Big 12, and that's only because they have fewer teams than everybody else.

There are years when ECU would beat just as many SEC teams as they would Big Ten teams. Miss State? Ole Miss? Vandy? Kentucky? Missouri has bad years as does Tennessee. Florida has been looking rather mediocre lately yet.....oh it is the Big Ten that has teams ECU could beat.

What a joke. You Southerners have serious head issues.

I am a Northerner. I have lived in Chicago for basically my whole life (48 years now), except for the time that I was in the military, away at college or in Los Angeles working for the Feds. So I have been watching the B10, Notre Dame and the MAC schools getting their azzes kicked for over 40 years by southern and western schools.. What you don't understand is that ECU, UCF, USF, Houston, Tulane, SMU, Memphis and Cincinnati have players that are just as good if not better than the average B10 teams. It is probably hard for you to comprehend that point, because you probably see the AAC and ECU the same way that you see the MAC. You never even bothered to notice that UNC (an alleged dark horse national title contender) was blown out on their own field by ECU. ECU also blew out NC State at NC State, but in your mind ECU is not as good as Purdue, Illinois, Iowa or Minnesota. Child please.

You call me a child while completely fabricating your entire opinion of me out of no where. For folks that have been around here for awhile, they would know I have a soft spot for ECU and have followed their progress to some degree.

So keep on making up fables and false stories about people. That is what children do.