The issue is that fat people over eat and don't work out. You can eat stuff loaded with sugar and other stuff that can make you fat, but keep the portions reasonable, and or the next 3 days eat good stuff. parents allowing their kids to drink soda is not child abuse, but raising them so that they are not active in sports or exercise is bad.

Everything in moderation. You can lose weight just by eating right, but it's hard and can make it a miserable life for someone.

Another problem we have as a nation is that we have places like Subway that have a health halo above them, meaning people think you can lose weight by eating Subway. Well yea you can if you eat the right things, but you can't go into Subway order 4 Footlong Meatball Subs loaded down with everything known to man, 4 bags of baked lays, and a diet coke and expect to see positive results.

I'm a big guy. Been big all my life. When I was in the best shape of my life, I was still at 250, but a lean 250. Watched what I ate, how I ate, and was active every day with lifting or running.

When you start discussing obesity, it's a fuzzy area or in my opinion it is. Going by BMI, several pro athletes would be considered obese and even some body builders. It depends on what you consider to be healthy and lean. You can be overweight and be healthy, and be lean and be in the sh*ttiest health.

(07-31-2014 08:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Obesity is a problem in America. Any doctor will tell you that. But what else do you expect when fast food commercials dominate advertising space, the FDA approves acceptable levels of numerous carcinogens as safe in our food, we add coloring to make our food look more appealing, add steroids to animal feed to make them fatter and more profitable for the farmers, and numerous other unhealthy ways to make food more appealing to the majority of Americans?

This. They also put antibiotics in animals, it causes them to produce more muscle but it's also responsible for antibiotic resistant strains of once easily treatable conditions and diseases.

(07-31-2014 05:45 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 01:09 PM)BucFyre Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:42 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 10:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  She's fat?

well, as her arms look like they could feed a family of 4 for a year, I'd say yes.

That's tacky, imo. She's not exactly a huge girl. And even if she was no one is obligated to try to date her.

I have very little patience for fat people. I haven't had candy or dessert in over a year and I constantly make sure i watch what I eat. And then I see people stuffing their faces with all manner of processed food and it pisses me off. And don't go thinking I'm sexist, believing that this only applies to women, because I feel the same way about fat males. I have an uncle who's a disgusting pig. He no longer sleeps in his bedroom because he can't make it up the stairs.

And please don't say she shouldn't be ashamed of the body god gave her. Because that isn't the body god gave her, it's the body high fructose corn syrup gave her.

To give you a better insight into my line of thought: I believe that parents letting their kids drink soda is borderline child abuse.

Well congratulations on being healthier than the rest of us. I'm sure you're proud. That doesn't make you any less douchey.

My weight has been up and down my whole life. Sometimes I eat my feelings. It happens. I've been thin, I've been fat, I've been in between. Right now, I'm in between and I'm working on it. I exercise several times a week and as you can see in a previous thread I run 5ks every month. I'm even doing one this weekend.

As for this girl, you know nothing about her other than your opinion is that she's fat. Maybe she just recently lost a lot of weight and she's still working on it. Someone as healthy and fit as you surely could see the good in that.

(08-01-2014 02:25 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 08:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 05:45 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 01:09 PM)BucFyre Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:42 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  well, as her arms look like they could feed a family of 4 for a year, I'd say yes.

That's tacky, imo. She's not exactly a huge girl. And even if she was no one is obligated to try to date her.

I have very little patience for fat people. I haven't had candy or dessert in over a year and I constantly make sure i watch what I eat. And then I see people stuffing their faces with all manner of processed food and it pisses me off. And don't go thinking I'm sexist, believing that this only applies to women, because I feel the same way about fat males. I have an uncle who's a disgusting pig. He no longer sleeps in his bedroom because he can't make it up the stairs.

And please don't say she shouldn't be ashamed of the body god gave her. Because that isn't the body god gave her, it's the body high fructose corn syrup gave her.

To give you a better insight into my line of thought: I believe that parents letting their kids drink soda is borderline child abuse.

I am thinking about giving up sugar for a while. How hard was it, and what did you feel like after you went without it for a while?

I have pretty good self control (as long as I'm going completely cold turkey), so it wasn't too difficult. For the first week or so you definitely feel a constant desire for some twizzlers, or Edy's Mint Chocolate Chip, but as long as you eat a proper diet free of processed foods you'll do fine. Make sure you use healthy foods to keep yourself full, cuz when you're hungry at odd hours you'll be more likely to relapse.

I think one important thing to remember is that it shouldn't be about losing weight, but rather an investment in your overall health. When you remember that you have a responsibility to your body and to the happiness of people who care about you, it'll make everything easier.

How did you after the craving subsided?

(08-01-2014 08:52 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 05:45 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 01:09 PM)BucFyre Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:42 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 10:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  She's fat?

well, as her arms look like they could feed a family of 4 for a year, I'd say yes.

That's tacky, imo. She's not exactly a huge girl. And even if she was no one is obligated to try to date her.

I have very little patience for fat people. I haven't had candy or dessert in over a year and I constantly make sure i watch what I eat. And then I see people stuffing their faces with all manner of processed food and it pisses me off. And don't go thinking I'm sexist, believing that this only applies to women, because I feel the same way about fat males. I have an uncle who's a disgusting pig. He no longer sleeps in his bedroom because he can't make it up the stairs.

And please don't say she shouldn't be ashamed of the body god gave her. Because that isn't the body god gave her, it's the body high fructose corn syrup gave her.

To give you a better insight into my line of thought: I believe that parents letting their kids drink soda is borderline child abuse.

Well congratulations on being healthier than the rest of us. I'm sure you're proud. That doesn't make you any less douchey.

My weight has been up and down my whole life. Sometimes I eat my feelings. It happens. I've been thin, I've been fat, I've been in between. Right now, I'm in between and I'm working on it. I exercise several times a week and as you can see in a previous thread I run 5ks every month. I'm even doing one this weekend.

As for this girl, you know nothing about her other than your opinion is that she's fat. Maybe she just recently lost a lot of weight and she's still working on it. Someone as healthy and fit as you surely could see the good in that.

I can live with that, been called far worse.

And you see, you hit on the main point. You've dealt with weight trouble, but you're working on it. All anyone in the world can do for themselves is try.

And yes I am proud that I'm healthy. It's important to me

As for the girl in the pic, I was commenting on what she looked like, not what she's doing in her life. The OP's question was, would you date her? All I have to go off is the pic, but you're right she might be working hard on her weigh issue and that is certainly commendable

(08-01-2014 07:42 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  parents allowing their kids to drink soda is not child abuse

said it was borderline child abuse. My problem is when I see fat people and their kids at the movies with giant sodas and tubs of popcorn. That's completely irresponsible and is a disservice to everyone.

(08-01-2014 09:23 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 02:25 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 08:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 05:45 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 01:09 PM)BucFyre Wrote:  That's tacky, imo. She's not exactly a huge girl. And even if she was no one is obligated to try to date her.

I have very little patience for fat people. I haven't had candy or dessert in over a year and I constantly make sure i watch what I eat. And then I see people stuffing their faces with all manner of processed food and it pisses me off. And don't go thinking I'm sexist, believing that this only applies to women, because I feel the same way about fat males. I have an uncle who's a disgusting pig. He no longer sleeps in his bedroom because he can't make it up the stairs.

And please don't say she shouldn't be ashamed of the body god gave her. Because that isn't the body god gave her, it's the body high fructose corn syrup gave her.

To give you a better insight into my line of thought: I believe that parents letting their kids drink soda is borderline child abuse.

I am thinking about giving up sugar for a while. How hard was it, and what did you feel like after you went without it for a while?

I have pretty good self control (as long as I'm going completely cold turkey), so it wasn't too difficult. For the first week or so you definitely feel a constant desire for some twizzlers, or Edy's Mint Chocolate Chip, but as long as you eat a proper diet free of processed foods you'll do fine. Make sure you use healthy foods to keep yourself full, cuz when you're hungry at odd hours you'll be more likely to relapse.

I think one important thing to remember is that it shouldn't be about losing weight, but rather an investment in your overall health. When you remember that you have a responsibility to your body and to the happiness of people who care about you, it'll make everything easier.

How did you after the craving subsided?

no problems whatsoever. There's a (supposedly) great ice cream place near my apartment, which I've walked past many times and not once have I had the desire to go in. I just really don't care about eating that stuff anymore. If it makes me sound like a douche, so be it. But I'm proud of what I'm doing and I always like helping anyone who wants to help themselves eat better.

I recently went with a friend to Miami, and we were in the hotel pool with some people and I remarked to him that I was surprised he wasn't thinner considering he does a ton of running. Rather than being pissed at me, he took the comment seriously and for the last month (in which he's lost 12 lbs) he's been peppering me with questions about what to eat, and if a certain food is healthy enough, etc. Long story short, he's trying to get with this smokin hot girl and I think he has a much better shot now. If being blunt means being douchey, I'm happy to be so

(08-01-2014 01:58 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 09:23 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 02:25 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 08:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 05:45 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  I have very little patience for fat people. I haven't had candy or dessert in over a year and I constantly make sure i watch what I eat. And then I see people stuffing their faces with all manner of processed food and it pisses me off. And don't go thinking I'm sexist, believing that this only applies to women, because I feel the same way about fat males. I have an uncle who's a disgusting pig. He no longer sleeps in his bedroom because he can't make it up the stairs.

And please don't say she shouldn't be ashamed of the body god gave her. Because that isn't the body god gave her, it's the body high fructose corn syrup gave her.

To give you a better insight into my line of thought: I believe that parents letting their kids drink soda is borderline child abuse.

I am thinking about giving up sugar for a while. How hard was it, and what did you feel like after you went without it for a while?

I have pretty good self control (as long as I'm going completely cold turkey), so it wasn't too difficult. For the first week or so you definitely feel a constant desire for some twizzlers, or Edy's Mint Chocolate Chip, but as long as you eat a proper diet free of processed foods you'll do fine. Make sure you use healthy foods to keep yourself full, cuz when you're hungry at odd hours you'll be more likely to relapse.

I think one important thing to remember is that it shouldn't be about losing weight, but rather an investment in your overall health. When you remember that you have a responsibility to your body and to the happiness of people who care about you, it'll make everything easier.

How did you after the craving subsided?

no problems whatsoever. There's a (supposedly) great ice cream place near my apartment, which I've walked past many times and not once have I had the desire to go in. I just really don't care about eating that stuff anymore. If it makes me sound like a douche, so be it. But I'm proud of what I'm doing and I always like helping anyone who wants to help themselves eat better.

I recently went with a friend to Miami, and we were in the hotel pool with some people and I remarked to him that I was surprised he wasn't thinner considering he does a ton of running. Rather than being pissed at me, he took the comment seriously and for the last month (in which he's lost 12 lbs) he's been peppering me with questions about what to eat, and if a certain food is healthy enough, etc. Long story short, he's trying to get with this smokin hot girl and I think he has a much better shot now. If being blunt means being douchey, I'm happy to be so

I guess what I am trying to get at is:

Did you notice any drastic improvements in your overall health?

Can you be specific?

I am trying to see how much sugar consumption impacts the way we feel and how our health suffers from consuming it.

(07-31-2014 07:13 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:36 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:01 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  I'd actually like to have an adult conversation on this topic, as I think it's a serious problem in this country (and becoming so abroad).

Considering your previous post I dont think you do.

was waiting for someone to say that. Congratulations you win.

I'm open to it. I don't need to use the type of language I used previously. But regardless, I think a conversation needs to be had. So if anyone would like to speak on it, I'll certainly use less acerbic language

If I may ask this question (and feel free not to answer), are you overweight?

No Im not overweight, nor am I physically fit, Im an average dude who it wouldnt kill to exercise a little more to slim down my well hidden beer gut.

The obesity problem we have isnt as simple as blaming HFCS. HFCS is simply another form of sugar. The only real negative is because its cheaper, it makes sugary food/drinks cheaper.

I read an article about 10 years ago that profiled a WVA county with one of the highest rates of obesity. The main point it made was the traditional high calorie meals that these people have eaten for generations, but ~50 years ago all the men were coal miners and the women spent their days on their feet getting things done around their houses, so more or less everyone was burning through those calories, but now the coal mine is shut down, and the citizens no longer have labor intesive jobs to burn off those calories.

More or less, in the last 40-50 years weve become more sedentary than weve ever been in our history, which is causing people to get fat. To make matters worse healthy foods like fresh produce are more expensive than processed crap.

(08-01-2014 05:03 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 07:13 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:36 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:01 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  I'd actually like to have an adult conversation on this topic, as I think it's a serious problem in this country (and becoming so abroad).

Considering your previous post I dont think you do.

was waiting for someone to say that. Congratulations you win.

I'm open to it. I don't need to use the type of language I used previously. But regardless, I think a conversation needs to be had. So if anyone would like to speak on it, I'll certainly use less acerbic language

If I may ask this question (and feel free not to answer), are you overweight?

No Im not overweight, nor am I physically fit, Im an average dude who it wouldnt kill to exercise a little more to slim down my well hidden beer gut.

The obesity problem we have isnt as simple as blaming HFCS. HFCS is simply another form of sugar. The only real negative is because its cheaper, it makes sugary food/drinks cheaper.

I read an article about 10 years ago that profiled a WVA county with one of the highest rates of obesity. The main point it made was the traditional high calorie meals that these people have eaten for generations, but ~50 years ago all the men were coal miners and the women spent their days on their feet getting things done around their houses, so more or less everyone was burning through those calories, but now the coal mine is shut down, and the citizens no longer have labor intesive jobs to burn off those calories.

More or less, in the last 40-50 years weve become more sedentary than weve ever been in our history, which is causing people to get fat. To make matters worse healthy foods like fresh produce are more expensive than processed crap.

Fresh produce often isn't all that healthy. DDT is sprayed on apples to make them look more attractive. It keeps them from getting spots produced by rain dripping off the leaves of the tree. The leaves are acidic, as is the rain, and this marks the apple's skin.

That's just one example. I can produce more, many more, if you like.

I was thinking there was something more to the picture, like she left a deuce visible in the toilet or something.

She's gross and that's obvious from the start.

0/10 would not hit.

(08-01-2014 06:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I was thinking there was something more to the picture, like she left a deuce visible in the toilet or something.

She's gross and that's obvious from the start.

0/10 would not hit.

I've seen that picture floating around the internet. It's pretty bad.

(08-01-2014 05:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 05:03 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 07:13 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:36 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:01 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  I'd actually like to have an adult conversation on this topic, as I think it's a serious problem in this country (and becoming so abroad).

Considering your previous post I dont think you do.

was waiting for someone to say that. Congratulations you win.

I'm open to it. I don't need to use the type of language I used previously. But regardless, I think a conversation needs to be had. So if anyone would like to speak on it, I'll certainly use less acerbic language

If I may ask this question (and feel free not to answer), are you overweight?

No Im not overweight, nor am I physically fit, Im an average dude who it wouldnt kill to exercise a little more to slim down my well hidden beer gut.

The obesity problem we have isnt as simple as blaming HFCS. HFCS is simply another form of sugar. The only real negative is because its cheaper, it makes sugary food/drinks cheaper.

I read an article about 10 years ago that profiled a WVA county with one of the highest rates of obesity. The main point it made was the traditional high calorie meals that these people have eaten for generations, but ~50 years ago all the men were coal miners and the women spent their days on their feet getting things done around their houses, so more or less everyone was burning through those calories, but now the coal mine is shut down, and the citizens no longer have labor intesive jobs to burn off those calories.

More or less, in the last 40-50 years weve become more sedentary than weve ever been in our history, which is causing people to get fat. To make matters worse healthy foods like fresh produce are more expensive than processed crap.

Fresh produce often isn't all that healthy. DDT is sprayed on apples to make them look more attractive. It keeps them from getting spots produced by rain dripping off the leaves of the tree. The leaves are acidic, as is the rain, and this marks the apple's skin.

That's just one example. I can produce more, many more, if you like.

Wait are you saying fruits and vegetables are sprayed with chemicals to preserve them? When did they start doing that? Well if thats the case Im throwing out my container of spinach and only buying cool ranch doritoes from now on.

(08-01-2014 06:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I was thinking there was something more to the picture, like she left a deuce visible in the toilet or something.

She's gross and that's obvious from the start.

0/10 would not hit.

I was looking for some obvious clue that she was actually a he

(08-01-2014 06:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 06:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I was thinking there was something more to the picture, like she left a deuce visible in the toilet or something.

She's gross and that's obvious from the start.

0/10 would not hit.

I've seen that picture floating around the internet. It's pretty bad.

Tell your wife to stop taking selfies

(08-01-2014 11:34 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 05:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 05:03 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 07:13 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:36 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  Considering your previous post I dont think you do.

was waiting for someone to say that. Congratulations you win.

I'm open to it. I don't need to use the type of language I used previously. But regardless, I think a conversation needs to be had. So if anyone would like to speak on it, I'll certainly use less acerbic language

If I may ask this question (and feel free not to answer), are you overweight?

No Im not overweight, nor am I physically fit, Im an average dude who it wouldnt kill to exercise a little more to slim down my well hidden beer gut.

The obesity problem we have isnt as simple as blaming HFCS. HFCS is simply another form of sugar. The only real negative is because its cheaper, it makes sugary food/drinks cheaper.

I read an article about 10 years ago that profiled a WVA county with one of the highest rates of obesity. The main point it made was the traditional high calorie meals that these people have eaten for generations, but ~50 years ago all the men were coal miners and the women spent their days on their feet getting things done around their houses, so more or less everyone was burning through those calories, but now the coal mine is shut down, and the citizens no longer have labor intesive jobs to burn off those calories.

More or less, in the last 40-50 years weve become more sedentary than weve ever been in our history, which is causing people to get fat. To make matters worse healthy foods like fresh produce are more expensive than processed crap.

Fresh produce often isn't all that healthy. DDT is sprayed on apples to make them look more attractive. It keeps them from getting spots produced by rain dripping off the leaves of the tree. The leaves are acidic, as is the rain, and this marks the apple's skin.

That's just one example. I can produce more, many more, if you like.

Wait are you saying fruits and vegetables are sprayed with chemicals to preserve them? When did they start doing that? Well if thats the case Im throwing out my container of spinach and only buying cool ranch doritoes from now on.

DDT was developed in the 1940s and its usage was discontinued in the US in 1996. But it is still in use in the rest of the world, heavily in Africa, and is known to travel long distances in the upper atmosphere. So as long as it is in use anywhere in the world, it is a danger to mankind.

But that's just one of the many chemicals used in agriculture. Here's a few websites to give you some information.

http://www.panna.org/issues/food-agricul...griculture
http://toxics.usgs.gov/topics/agchemicals.html
http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_S...ironmental
http://www.sustainabletable.org/263/pesticides

(08-02-2014 09:15 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 11:34 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 05:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 05:03 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 07:13 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  was waiting for someone to say that. Congratulations you win.

I'm open to it. I don't need to use the type of language I used previously. But regardless, I think a conversation needs to be had. So if anyone would like to speak on it, I'll certainly use less acerbic language

If I may ask this question (and feel free not to answer), are you overweight?

No Im not overweight, nor am I physically fit, Im an average dude who it wouldnt kill to exercise a little more to slim down my well hidden beer gut.

The obesity problem we have isnt as simple as blaming HFCS. HFCS is simply another form of sugar. The only real negative is because its cheaper, it makes sugary food/drinks cheaper.

I read an article about 10 years ago that profiled a WVA county with one of the highest rates of obesity. The main point it made was the traditional high calorie meals that these people have eaten for generations, but ~50 years ago all the men were coal miners and the women spent their days on their feet getting things done around their houses, so more or less everyone was burning through those calories, but now the coal mine is shut down, and the citizens no longer have labor intesive jobs to burn off those calories.

More or less, in the last 40-50 years weve become more sedentary than weve ever been in our history, which is causing people to get fat. To make matters worse healthy foods like fresh produce are more expensive than processed crap.

Fresh produce often isn't all that healthy. DDT is sprayed on apples to make them look more attractive. It keeps them from getting spots produced by rain dripping off the leaves of the tree. The leaves are acidic, as is the rain, and this marks the apple's skin.

That's just one example. I can produce more, many more, if you like.

Wait are you saying fruits and vegetables are sprayed with chemicals to preserve them? When did they start doing that? Well if thats the case Im throwing out my container of spinach and only buying cool ranch doritoes from now on.

DDT was developed in the 1940s and its usage was discontinued in the US in 1996. But it is still in use in the rest of the world, heavily in Africa, and is known to travel long distances in the upper atmosphere. So as long as it is in use anywhere in the world, it is a danger to mankind.

But that's just one of the many chemicals used in agriculture. Here's a few websites to give you some information.

http://www.panna.org/issues/food-agricul...griculture
http://toxics.usgs.gov/topics/agchemicals.html
http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_S...ironmental
http://www.sustainabletable.org/263/pesticides

Yah that was sarcasm, as my screen name shows, I have an understanding of the chemistry.

We are biologically hardwired to do two things: eat and screw. All about propagation of the species.

You can blame all the chemicals in food and all the sexy advertising you want, but at the bottom line there's this:

Evolution has has wired us to eat and store, eat and store, eat and store. Never in some caveman's wildest dreams could he have imagined a Little Caesar's. He was eating what he could catch and kill, so that his calories in had to match his calories out as a matter of survival.

Our problem now is (at least a big part of it, anyway) is that more food than we could possibly eat is accessed with one helluva lot less effort.

In short, our calories in/calories out relationship is critically out of whack.

Once all the water if polluted with all the chemicals, the caloric issue will be a problem no longer.