(07-31-2014 11:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:36 AM)SL030676 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 04:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 04:24 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Who cares how many plays they run? How about not getting blown out 4-5 times like last season (@OK St, @Cincy, Home UCONN, Neutral Site Virginia). And when I say blown out, I mean absolutely hammered from start to finish.

Why are you revising history that we can still remember? We got hammered 6 times last year, but NEVER from start to finish.

1. Lost at OSU 101-80, but only lost the second half by 3 points.

2. Lost at home to Cincy, 69-53, but only trailed at the half, 27-26.

3. Lost at SMU 87-72, but we were tied at the half 29-29.

4. Lost at Cincy 97-84, but only trailed by 1 with 16 minutes left in the game.

5. Lost in the AAC tourney to UConn 72-53, but we were down 16, only 45 seconds into the second half, and lost by 19, so only lost from there by 3 points.

6. Lost to UVA in NCAA tourney 78-60, but only lost by 3 in the second half.

All other losses were 10 points or less.

So, not only are you wrong, but we never had ONE GAME last year where we were "absolutely hammered from start to finish." In every case, we got rolled in one half, and were essentially even in the other half.

My goodness you can put some spin on recent history. The OSU, @Cincy, UCONN Tourney, and UVA losses were beatings from start to finish. Claiming we only lost by single digits in the second half, after the games were already out of reach is not a valid argument. It totally takes out the fact that the other team knows they are up big, and lose some of their initial focus. In additon, player rotations on both ends change dramatically, especially in the last ten minutes when a team is up big. To put it in terms even you can understand, it would be like a Mich State fan arguing in 08 that despite being down thirty at the half, they weren't hammered because they "outscored us by 12 in the second half".
The OSU game we ran into Smart’s career night, the UCONN tourney loss we looked lost, and unmotivated, and the UVA game we were simply outclassed. As far as CINCY, the poster stated the @CINCY loss was a blowout, not the home loss. However, we could have played those guys 10 times last year, and would have lost all ten. They simply intimidated, and outmuscled us. In addition, if you remember, our defense was so poor, their offense (which was putrid) had career nights. You are correct about the @SMU game, but once they got rolling, we fell apart in the second half.
So, not only are YOU wrong, but we DID HAVE MULTIPLE GAMES last year where we were "absolutely hammered from start to finish." The fact of the matter is that there was no team in the top 25 last year that suffered as many bad losses (by points) as we did. However, you have to be honest with yourself, and take off the blue shades to see it.
BTW not to be totally negative, we had some great wins as well (@Louisville, home Louisville, GW, Gonzaga, OSU ext.)

Then we just disagree. Getting hammered from start to finish means just that. If you're tied at the half that is NOT getting hammered from start to finish. And I don't need to take off any blue shades., or do anything else you tell me I'm quite critical when I see something I think is valid to criticize. We did get stomped several times.

I'm simply taking issue with the characterization that it was from "beginning to end' in each game, which implies we were never competitive for a minute. That is not the case. We were tied with SMU at the half, and one down to Cincy.

I cannot believe anyone could even argue with that. Not that it really matters in the end. I'm just saying the characterization is inaccurate.

It's English and implication and facts I'm debating. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with basketball, but you obviously missed that.

Yes, we disagree. I’m willing to see the posters point, while you want to spin it, and make the poster seem illogical, irrational, and somehow make the losses seem not as bad as they actually were. Reading comprehension is important, and once again, the poster mentioned the @CINCY loss, not the home one. Some if not all of these games are available on YouTube. I suggest instead of looking at box scores, and trying to argue semantics in order to make some obscure point, you go watch, and relive these games. Then we can see if you come away with the same conclusions.

Hard not to laugh at the YMT reunion every time, to bash Pastner and defend John Martin on cue. Funny and predictable.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

Mark Twain

It's funny. I like Jeff Goodman more than Martin now. He used to troll us hard back in CUSA

(07-31-2014 12:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Hard not to laugh at the YMT reunion every time, to bash Pastner and defend John Martin on cue. Funny and predictable.

So that's what it is. Some folks ought seriously reconsider never reuniting.

#irreconcilabledifferences

(07-31-2014 12:10 PM)SL030676 Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:36 AM)SL030676 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 04:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 04:24 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Who cares how many plays they run? How about not getting blown out 4-5 times like last season (@OK St, @Cincy, Home UCONN, Neutral Site Virginia). And when I say blown out, I mean absolutely hammered from start to finish.

Why are you revising history that we can still remember? We got hammered 6 times last year, but NEVER from start to finish.

1. Lost at OSU 101-80, but only lost the second half by 3 points.

2. Lost at home to Cincy, 69-53, but only trailed at the half, 27-26.

3. Lost at SMU 87-72, but we were tied at the half 29-29.

4. Lost at Cincy 97-84, but only trailed by 1 with 16 minutes left in the game.

5. Lost in the AAC tourney to UConn 72-53, but we were down 16, only 45 seconds into the second half, and lost by 19, so only lost from there by 3 points.

6. Lost to UVA in NCAA tourney 78-60, but only lost by 3 in the second half.

All other losses were 10 points or less.

So, not only are you wrong, but we never had ONE GAME last year where we were "absolutely hammered from start to finish." In every case, we got rolled in one half, and were essentially even in the other half.

My goodness you can put some spin on recent history. The OSU, @Cincy, UCONN Tourney, and UVA losses were beatings from start to finish. Claiming we only lost by single digits in the second half, after the games were already out of reach is not a valid argument. It totally takes out the fact that the other team knows they are up big, and lose some of their initial focus. In additon, player rotations on both ends change dramatically, especially in the last ten minutes when a team is up big. To put it in terms even you can understand, it would be like a Mich State fan arguing in 08 that despite being down thirty at the half, they weren't hammered because they "outscored us by 12 in the second half".
The OSU game we ran into Smart’s career night, the UCONN tourney loss we looked lost, and unmotivated, and the UVA game we were simply outclassed. As far as CINCY, the poster stated the @CINCY loss was a blowout, not the home loss. However, we could have played those guys 10 times last year, and would have lost all ten. They simply intimidated, and outmuscled us. In addition, if you remember, our defense was so poor, their offense (which was putrid) had career nights. You are correct about the @SMU game, but once they got rolling, we fell apart in the second half.
So, not only are YOU wrong, but we DID HAVE MULTIPLE GAMES last year where we were "absolutely hammered from start to finish." The fact of the matter is that there was no team in the top 25 last year that suffered as many bad losses (by points) as we did. However, you have to be honest with yourself, and take off the blue shades to see it.
BTW not to be totally negative, we had some great wins as well (@Louisville, home Louisville, GW, Gonzaga, OSU ext.)

Then we just disagree. Getting hammered from start to finish means just that. If you're tied at the half that is NOT getting hammered from start to finish. And I don't need to take off any blue shades., or do anything else you tell me I'm quite critical when I see something I think is valid to criticize. We did get stomped several times.

I'm simply taking issue with the characterization that it was from "beginning to end' in each game, which implies we were never competitive for a minute. That is not the case. We were tied with SMU at the half, and one down to Cincy.

I cannot believe anyone could even argue with that. Not that it really matters in the end. I'm just saying the characterization is inaccurate.

It's English and implication and facts I'm debating. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with basketball, but you obviously missed that.

Yes, we disagree. I’m willing to see the posters point, while you want to spin it, and make the poster seem illogical, irrational, and somehow make the losses seem not as bad as they actually were. Reading comprehension is important, and once again, the poster mentioned the @CINCY loss, not the home one. Some if not all of these games are available on YouTube. I suggest instead of looking at box scores, and trying to argue semantics in order to make some obscure point, you go watch, and relive these games. Then we can see if you come away with the same conclusions.

Thanks SL0. You get it. I don't even bother responding to posters that deviate from the basic point, which is what TripleA did in this instance. I think any objective, reasonable person would agree with that.

I have no issue at all with someone who disagrees with me. I will gladly debate a topic if it stays on point. But when someone tries to spin it into something completely different, I don't even find it worth my time to respond. Triple A will likely reply to this and point out that I did respond even though I said I don't respond. You know how it works.

(07-30-2014 04:24 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I can see where 2 plays isn't a bad thing. Didn't UConn just run a high ball screen and a flex?

They ran the Shabazz Napier and played D.

Yeah, if you don't like the point, and can't defeat it, just shoot the messenger.

Not to mention, I have the right to make any damn point I want, thanks.

Interesting

(07-31-2014 11:51 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  I think some of our fans are confusing themselves with the team. Many of our fans were absolutely hammered from start to finish.

^^^ This right here ^^^

Don't see why yall are stressing.
The year we made the championship run...we played in a tournament...beat UConn(ed) and Oklahoma with Blake Griffin.
Cal remarked after the tourney that NONE of our dribble drive offensive plays had been installed yet...so we went with very basic offensive sets back then.

This has escalated quickly

(07-30-2014 03:28 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  When opening against Witchita State. Is he bluffing?

Are you really asking this question if you know anything about the sport? It amazes me how people intrepret comments.

Question: How many Memphis fans does it take to Fedex tiger poop in a box?

(07-31-2014 05:14 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 03:28 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  When opening against Witchita State. Is he bluffing?

Are you really asking this question if you know anything about the sport? It amazes me how people intrepret comments.

Ouch. Off the top rope.

(07-30-2014 06:41 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 06:27 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  Why do you argue facts with people who have made up their minds?

I wish I had learned earlier what I learned here that many people have a tenuous grasp on reality, ignore facts, and lack perspective and balance. They are like sheep ready for shearing. I could have been rich.

There's still time. A sheep is born every minute.

(07-31-2014 05:14 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 03:28 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  When opening against Witchita State. Is he bluffing?

Are you really asking this question if you know anything about the sport? It amazes me how people intrepret comments.

I played the sport. I was just throwing something John Martin tweeted out there. I can't help the Pastner bashers get off to this.

The offense should be ok anyway. Especially if you play great defense. This team will will be competitive and win games if you have trouble scoring against them like Cincy last year. I would rather them only have 2 plays and play fundamental basketball because we haven't really seen that especially on defense for quite a while.

(07-31-2014 06:37 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 05:14 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 03:28 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  When opening against Witchita State. Is he bluffing?

Are you really asking this question if you know anything about the sport? It amazes me how people intrepret comments.

I played the sport. I was just throwing something John Martin tweeted out there. I can't help the Pastner bashers get off to this.

No worries. There is no need to answer someone who is insulting. The person who asked you that question didn't really want an answer. *shrug*

We have too many new young players to install a lot of plays this early. They’ll work more in as the season progresses.

I don’t care if we only have 1 or 2 good plays as long as it’s NOT run out of the 3 guard set all game like last season.