(07-30-2014 12:03 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Here we go again telling us how good Temple, USF, UConn and Memphis really were last year and how bad the bottom of CUSA really was by comparison but, but they were really good when they played their 2nd stringers, ate their veggies, and slept well the night before. Come on. Like was said our schedule looks the same as it has most of the last decade. Teams didn't transform into world beaters in one year on one Big East recruiting class that was redshirted last year. Yet we are supposed to be scared of the new crew like UConn, USF, Temple who all sucked and couldn't beat FCS schools, or Cincy who had multiple bad losses themselves.

do you have any basic comprehension skills..be honest?
point out where i said they were going to be good????
simple stating they weren't as horrific as being portrayed by ECU fasn is your defintion of good?

and you lost to tulane and were embarrassed by marshall, you have ZERO room to question other teams losses?

it bothers me because you are acting like ecu just beat bama by 20 in a bowl 13-1 on a monster schedule with a c-usa championship and your 1 loss was to fsu by a hail mary...

and you are a slave to labels..constantly tout your NCstate win becasue they are "P5" (despite the fact they were horrible)..you never say you lost to tulane, but always say you lost to a "bowl team" (because that sounds better & ignoring the fact Tulane's bowl eligibility was boosted by a weaker conference schedule)...and you trash other teams because they lost to an "FCS" (ignoring that all were top 10 fcs including the #2 ranked fcs, and would have all been likely bowl teams in c-usa)

(07-30-2014 12:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  do you have any basic comprehension skills..be honest?
point out where i said they were going to be good????

I was referring more to your months long campaign to sell the virtues of teams like Temple and USF and how they were really good teams last year disguised in $hitty records and losses. However when he said there are no UAB's in this conference, he's basically saying these teams did much better last year which was not true either.

Quote:and you lost to temple and were embarrassed by marshall, you have ZERO room to question other teams losses?

You're mental.

Lost to a 7-6 bowl team in 3 OT's on the road by 3 points that also beat two teams getting votes in the final polls, and Marshall a 10 win #29 vote getter in the coaches poll on the road. Yep that's the same as losing to 1-11 Idaho or getting smoked by McNesse State.

(07-30-2014 12:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  it bothers me because you are acting like ecu just beat bama by 20 in a bowl 13-1 on a monster schedule with a c-usa championship and your 1 loss was to fsu by a hail mary...

You act like the AAC was awesome last year and didn't have multiple bottoms losing to FCS schools. I know what we were a top 35 type team getting votes in both polls last year.

Get help bro

FWIW: Phil Steele's Plus/Minus Power Ratings for 2014

American
UCF 124.48
Houston 120.13
Cinci 118.82
ECU 115.57
Memphis 109.26
SMU 109.20
USF 108.87
Tulsa 108.04
Temple 107.48
UConn 107.17
Tulane 105.87

CUSA
Marshall 120.20
UTSA 115.99
North Texas 108.45
Rice 107.83
FAU 105.00
Mid Tenn 103.65
La Tech 102.89
WKU 101.36
So Miss 95.87
Old Dominion 95.54
UTEP 94.22
UAB 91.78
FIU 90.48

Note that our lowest rated team would be fifth in CUSA. Just sayin'...

(07-30-2014 12:21 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  do you have any basic comprehension skills..be honest?
point out where i said they were going to be good????

I was referring more to your months long campaign to sell the virtues of teams like Temple and USF and how they were really good teams last year disguised in $hitty records and losses. However when he said there are no UAB's in this conference, he's basically saying these teams did much better last year which was not true either.

Quote:and you lost to temple and were embarrassed by marshall, you have ZERO room to question other teams losses?

You're mental.

Lost to a 7-6 bowl team in 3 OT's on the road by 3 points that also beat two teams getting votes in the final polls, and Marshall a 10 win #29 vote getter in the coaches poll on the road. Yep that's the same as losing to 1-11 Idaho or getting smoked by McNesse State.

(07-30-2014 12:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  it bothers me because you are acting like ecu just beat bama by 20 in a bowl 13-1 on a monster schedule with a c-usa championship and your 1 loss was to fsu by a hail mary...

You act like the AAC was awesome last year and didn't have multiple bottoms losing to FCS schools. I know what we were a top 35 type team getting votes in both polls last year.

Get help bro

LMAOOOOOOOO read my edit and come back to this post..

and month long campaign..POINT OUT WERE??????? quote me if you can.. i have never said any of those teams were better than ecu... you have had a 3 month long campaignof trying to trash every single other team in this league and i have been defending them saying they werent as bad as you are portraying them

Houston gets a 4 star bball recruit, your first response is to trash him saying he isnt good because you want to keep the notion that ecu will have a better bball team..
you will lie, twist fact, trash talk and degrade any team to make ecu look better than it is. those are fact about you

6 of 14 C-USA teams (43%) and 4 of 10 American teams (40%) finished last season ranked 100th or worse in the final Massey average. Sure, the AAC teams averaged a ranking of 104 while the C-USA teams averaged a ranking of 116, but let's not act like the bottom of the American was leaps and bounds better. It was still pretty bad.

(07-30-2014 12:32 PM)Chappy Wrote:  6 of 14 C-USA teams (43%) and 4 of 10 American teams (40%) finished last season ranked 100th or worse in the final Massey average. Sure, the AAC teams averaged a ranking of 104 while the C-USA teams averaged a ranking of 116, but let's not act like the bottom of the American was leaps and bounds better. It was still pretty bad.

the bottom of the AAC was leaps and bounds better than the bottom of c-usa...

id put money on any bottom 5 team in our league (not tulsa i dont know what they'll be next year) against any bottom 6 c-usa team that theyd win by 30 (usf would win but not by 30, maybe 10 they dont score much) next year

SMU despite the media poll is projected bottom 2 in our league by many analyst, UNT is projected the #2 or #3 c-usa team....tulsa is projected our worst team and Fau is projected top 4 in c-usa next year... we'll have some reference in 2 months after these teams play

Is this conversation even necessary?

(07-30-2014 12:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  and month long campaign..POINT OUT WERE??????? quote me if you can.. i have never said any of those teams were better than ecu... you have had a 3 month long campaignof trying to trash every single other team in this league and i have been defending them saying they werent as bad as you are portraying them

Wrong. You started it months ago, not the other way around. It's been a constant stream of threads you even started or thread baiting about how much tougher the AAC was going to be on our team was now going to struggle or stuff like Carden's stats, how bad CUSA was etc even when you ignore the awful losses and horrible seasons of a large portion of the AAC as Chappy pointed out. You do nothing but pull out every excuse in the book for them to try to prop them up as having actually been solid teams while shooting down triple OT road losses by 3 points as these bad losses for us when Tulane beat several quality teams and went to a bowl. It's insane.

Quote:Houston gets a 4 star bball recruit, your first response is to trash him saying he isnt good because you want to keep the notion that ecu will have a better bball team..you will lie, twist fact, trash talk and degrade any team to make ecu look better than it is. those are fact about you

If you are talking about the guy that averaged 12.9 ppg in JUCO, you were flat out lying about his stats and had zero clue when he was suspended. You have a horrible memory if so because most of the twisting and backwards rationalization is all you. Your dates, proof, etc none of which matched up. Hey but a guy that averaged 12ppg in JUCO is going to come in and dominate and replace potentially a top 5 player in the AAC last year in Thomas. That's all I pointed out. Good luck with that.

(07-30-2014 10:50 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 10:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  im not getting in the discussion nor do i care if players talk big (i actually like it, its like wrestling trash talking or talking big, gives us more incentive to watch)

with that said one argument that bothers me is this (MWC fans use it too).."look at the record they are about he same" "the league are basically the same look at the wins and loss records" etc...that argument bothers me and is so skewed...3-10 in the SEC isnt the same as a 3-10 in the MAC...we play each other someone has to lose..by default their will always be bad records in the league... and we are at a point were we arent good enough to beat the big dogs in ooc, so our records will be similar (because we get the same L in ooc, no matter how close the game) but we are still better than those other leagues..using wins and losses as the meter for conferences is skewed....Stanford losing to oregon and being 0-1 doesn't mean 1-0 kent state is better ..id put money 10 of our 11 teams would be bowl teams in c-usa 3.0 (tulsa is my exception and thats because i dont know what they'll look like, but theyd still have a 70% shot IMO)

I don't disagree with what you are saying here.... and I'm going to tread carefully so as not to offend or put words in bonds' mouth... but I think what he is alluding to is to the fact that the AAC bottom feeders lost to FCS schools (in some cases blown out by FCS schools) and near-FCS schools like Idaho. I, too, hope these schools will be improved this year (I said in the 'surprise' thread that I would not be surprised to see USF come out of nowhere to contend). That said, the bottom of the American was pretty bad last year.

[ducks before objects get thrown this way]

No you didn't put any words in my mouth that's pretty much what I meant. Losing to "big dogs" OOC and having a bad record is one thing, but a few teams in this league had FCS losses and really bad FBS losses. I certainly hope the league is tougher, because it was not all that much fun last year watching ECU play only 1 competitive home game.

(07-30-2014 01:26 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  and month long campaign..POINT OUT WERE??????? quote me if you can.. i have never said any of those teams were better than ecu... you have had a 3 month long campaignof trying to trash every single other team in this league and i have been defending them saying they werent as bad as you are portraying them

Wrong. You started it months ago, not the other way around. It's been a constant stream of threads you even started or thread baiting about how much tougher the AAC was going to be on our team or stuff like Carden's stats, how bad CUSA was etc.

Quote:Houston gets a 4 star bball recruit, your first response is to trash him saying he isnt good because you want to keep the notion that ecu will have a better bball team..you will lie, twist fact, trash talk and degrade any team to make ecu look better than it is. those are fact about you

If you are talking about the guy that averaged 12.9 ppg in JUCO, you were flat out lying about his stats and when he was suspended. You have a horrible memory if so because most of the twisting and backwards rationalization is all you. Your dates, proof, etc none of which matched up. Hey but a guy that averaged 12ppg in JUCO is going to come in and dominate and replace potentially a top 5 player in the AAC last year in Thomas. That's all I pointed out.

you are the worst and horrific memory to boot...i say he was averaging around 25ish when he was the full starter before he got in trouble but his stats decreased when he was given a lesser role when he returned...you have now twisted that (as usual) to me saying he was getting those numbers all season...

and i NEVER said he was replacing thomas as they dont even play the same position, but that we still had a talented roster even without him

and this is the ridiculousness of you, i do stat projections give carden the by far best stats in the league but say itll be less that last season on the increase of competition (but still the best in the league) and that is baiting???? saying you lost player on defense (which is true) is baiting???? get your Homer self out of here

you are a walking hypocrite, the biggest thing you trash talk about is not even something ECU can stand on, i could easily poke a hole right through your ridiculous trash talking but ive been holding myself back solely and only because i really dont want to insult Tulane

Back to Hardy.

He answered the question appropriately, but IMHO a successful season is............

Rick Smith's defense exceeding expectations (especially the secondary).

Crush....not beat......crush............NCCU.

An upset of the Gamecocks in Columbia is not out of the question, but a 10 point or less loss is pallatable. I too think the Gamecocks will be licking their wounds from Texas AM and looking forward to Georgia. If we could sneak in there and sneak out with a 3 point win coupled with a pasting of NCCU, and we could be close to the Top 30.

I think this is the year we win in Blacksburg. Not saying Bud Foster won't be ready as usual, but I think we get back into the win column against the Hokies.

Tarholes played a lot better in the second half of last year and will come to play, but Ficklen will be rocking. Two in a row in the series has never happened before. Ruff / Carden / Hardy and company will want this one bad.

7-1 or 6-2 in conference. (won't even say who the loss/es will be to).

10-2 with a bowl win to go 11-2 is a great season (access bowl possible)

9-3 with a bowl win to go 10-3 again is a successful season (with wins over VaTech / UNC).

8-4 is likely, 9-4 after the bowl (good season).

(07-30-2014 01:55 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Back to Hardy.

He answered the question appropriately, but IMHO a successful season is............

Rick Smith's defense exceeding expectations (especially the secondary).

Crush....not beat......crush............NCCU.

An upset of the Gamecocks in Columbia is not out of the question, but a 10 point or less loss is pallatable. I too think the Gamecocks will be licking their wounds from Texas AM and looking forward to Georgia. If we could sneak in there and sneak out with a 3 point win coupled with a pasting of NCCU, and we could be close to the Top 30.

I think this is the year we win in Blacksburg. Not saying Bud Foster won't be ready as usual, but I think we get back into the win column against the Hokies.

Tarholes played a lot better in the second half of last year and will come to play, but Ficklen will be rocking. Two in a row in the series has never happened before. Ruff / Carden / Hardy and company will want this one bad.

7-1 or 6-2 in conference. (won't even say who the loss/es will be to).

10-2 with a bowl win to go 11-2 is a great season (access bowl possible)

9-3 with a bowl win to go 10-3 again is a successful season (with wins over VaTech / UNC).

8-4 is likely, 9-4 after the bowl (good season).

If we win the 1st 2 games of the year ECU is definitely in the top 25 in both polls, likely top 20 depending on what else happens across the nation. We have a lot of momentum and a win over an SEC power would propel ECU into the rankings without a doubt.

We jumped all the way to 14th when we started 2-0 in 2008 and while we played 2 reputable teams to start off that year we jumped into the top 15 then with less momentum then we have this year. Also, a win over South Carolina would likely be perceived as equal to wins over both WV & VT combined (because of SEC bias) so my guess is that we'd likely jump up to 17-19 range in the polls with a 2-0 start.

(07-30-2014 12:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:32 PM)Chappy Wrote:  6 of 14 C-USA teams (43%) and 4 of 10 American teams (40%) finished last season ranked 100th or worse in the final Massey average. Sure, the AAC teams averaged a ranking of 104 while the C-USA teams averaged a ranking of 116, but let's not act like the bottom of the American was leaps and bounds better. It was still pretty bad.

the bottom of the AAC was leaps and bounds better than the bottom of c-usa...

id put money on any bottom 5 team in our league (not tulsa i dont know what they'll be next year) against any bottom 6 c-usa team that theyd win by 30 (usf would win but not by 30, maybe 10 they dont score much) next year

SMU despite the media poll is projected bottom 2 in our league by many analyst, UNT is projected the #2 or #3 c-usa team....tulsa is projected our worst team and Fau is projected top 4 in c-usa next year... we'll have some reference in 2 months after these teams play

I can't believe someone is going to sit here and argue this in a thread about justin hardy's expectations. I'm starting to think you have problems. Who fing cares, the bottom of both leagues were atrocious. Projections mean squat, and no one here cares about wtf cusa does this season. I can't believe someone is arguing the bottom 5 of the aac would beat all the bottom 6 of CUSA by 30 points

(07-30-2014 02:30 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:55 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Back to Hardy.

He answered the question appropriately, but IMHO a successful season is............

Rick Smith's defense exceeding expectations (especially the secondary).

Crush....not beat......crush............NCCU.

An upset of the Gamecocks in Columbia is not out of the question, but a 10 point or less loss is pallatable. I too think the Gamecocks will be licking their wounds from Texas AM and looking forward to Georgia. If we could sneak in there and sneak out with a 3 point win coupled with a pasting of NCCU, and we could be close to the Top 30.

I think this is the year we win in Blacksburg. Not saying Bud Foster won't be ready as usual, but I think we get back into the win column against the Hokies.

Tarholes played a lot better in the second half of last year and will come to play, but Ficklen will be rocking. Two in a row in the series has never happened before. Ruff / Carden / Hardy and company will want this one bad.

7-1 or 6-2 in conference. (won't even say who the loss/es will be to).

10-2 with a bowl win to go 11-2 is a great season (access bowl possible)

9-3 with a bowl win to go 10-3 again is a successful season (with wins over VaTech / UNC).

8-4 is likely, 9-4 after the bowl (good season).

If we win the 1st 2 games of the year ECU is definitely in the top 25 in both polls, likely top 20 depending on what else happens across the nation. We have a lot of momentum and a win over an SEC power would propel ECU into the rankings without a doubt.

We jumped all the way to 14th when we started 2-0 in 2008 and while we played 2 reputable teams to start off that year we jumped into the top 15 then with less momentum then we have this year. Also, a win over South Carolina would likely be perceived as equal to wins over both WV & VT combined (because of SEC bias) so my guess is that we'd likely jump up to 17-19 range in the polls with a 2-0 start.

Here's to hoping you're right and HARDY is as well.......

(07-30-2014 02:54 PM)EastCarolinaU. Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:32 PM)Chappy Wrote:  6 of 14 C-USA teams (43%) and 4 of 10 American teams (40%) finished last season ranked 100th or worse in the final Massey average. Sure, the AAC teams averaged a ranking of 104 while the C-USA teams averaged a ranking of 116, but let's not act like the bottom of the American was leaps and bounds better. It was still pretty bad.

the bottom of the AAC was leaps and bounds better than the bottom of c-usa...

id put money on any bottom 5 team in our league (not tulsa i dont know what they'll be next year) against any bottom 6 c-usa team that theyd win by 30 (usf would win but not by 30, maybe 10 they dont score much) next year

SMU despite the media poll is projected bottom 2 in our league by many analyst, UNT is projected the #2 or #3 c-usa team....tulsa is projected our worst team and Fau is projected top 4 in c-usa next year... we'll have some reference in 2 months after these teams play

I can't believe someone is going to sit here and argue this in a thread about justin hardy's expectations. I'm starting to think you have problems. Who fing cares, the bottom of both leagues were atrocious. Projections mean squat, and no one here cares about wtf cusa does this season. I can't believe someone is arguing the bottom 5 of the aac would beat all the bottom 6 of CUSA by 30 points

Man you do this every time, SJ will be recklessly trash talking some team, I'll come defend them, and then you always jump like I'm attacking ECU ignoring the fact that SJ is the one who always begins the trashing

And C-USA's bottom 6,

FIU, utep, Usm, Uab, la tech and charolette

AAC bottom 5 (not including Tulsa as I stated I don't know what to expect from them)

Smu, temple, uconn, usf & Memphis

I hundred percent stand by my statement
(Note I also said usf would win by 10 not 30 as they aren't good at putting up points)

I doubt you watched more than 1 regular season AAC game last year, I watched almost all of them, aswell as numerous C-USA games, so don't eve try to pretend you know more about this league than I do...

SJ loves to uses their loses in the beginning of the season to categorize them for the year, completely ignoring the rest of the season,
Ignoring that Memphis blew out the #2 sunbelt team by 30 and was owning duke the first half of their game..uconn was inches from beating Michigan, and won 3 of it's last 4, that until Gilbert was injured the last 3 games of the season smu was #2 in the nation in total offense after Baylor... The huge talent difference between them and usf... That temple under PJ had a 4th quarter lead in 6 of the 7 games he played including UCF, even blew numerous 21 point leads which I blame on inexperience but the fact they were in that position to begin with shows the talent on the team..
And besides a game or 2 they were competitive in almost every game they played....
Those C-USA teams were blown out on the regular

And befor SJ jumps in we are talking in comparison to c-usa's bottom 6, no one is saying they are better than ECU

Goodness. Everything always seems to devolve on this board.

(07-30-2014 07:03 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Yeah, I actually think we have a better chance of beating South Carolina (we'll be a trap game for them) than North Carolina, who has an extra week to prepare for us and is out for revenge.

I've got us at 3-1 OOC (losing to UNC) and 6-2 in American play for a 9-3 season, though I'm hoping for a magical run like UCF had last year. We could easily go 7-5 with a couple of bad bounces though.

Steve Spurrier has never lost to a non BCS team or as it's called now a non power five team. Larry Fedora on the other hand couldn't lace Steve Spurrier's shoes.

If there's one thing that's for sure - love him or hate him - Steve Spurrier can, has, and will outcoach any other coach in the country.

(07-30-2014 05:51 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  If there's one thing that's for sure - love him or hate him - Steve Spurrier can, has, and will outcoach any other coach in the country.

nick saban questions this remark...

(07-30-2014 05:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 05:51 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  If there's one thing that's for sure - love him or hate him - Steve Spurrier can, has, and will outcoach any other coach in the country.

nick saban questions this remark...

Spurrier is 3-1 against Saban, I really don't care about either of their championships or how many games they've won....both are fine coaches.

Anyone who has ECU winning at USC is high or drunk. I'm not even going to say "it wouldn't surprise me if we won." It would surprise me. I'll admit that I think we will go in and give them a fight and that it's not an impossible game to win, just very unlikely.