(07-23-2014 05:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  MAC's average attendance in the majority of their schools is the size of Dowdy Ficklen's student section. And one of your school's average football attendance would have many AAC teams in tears if it was their BASKETBALL attendance.

Go away dude. Your programs aren't on a level for you to be jibbah jabbahrin'

You realize that this is exactly what fans of P5 conferences say about us, right?

(07-26-2014 01:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 05:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  MAC's average attendance in the majority of their schools is the size of Dowdy Ficklen's student section. And one of your school's average football attendance would have many AAC teams in tears if it was their BASKETBALL attendance.

Go away dude. Your programs aren't on a level for you to be jibbah jabbahrin'

You realize that this is exactly what fans of P5 conferences say about us, right?

Yep

(07-26-2014 01:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 09:38 AM)lance99 Wrote:  Now back to the original topic of this thread........

Let me tell you why this will never happen. There are 128 FBS schools. If we are talking all sports, you are proposing that 35 schools drop down!?

That is 27%

For starters, NO conference would go for that right now. Even if they did it would be congressional hearings and they would block the NCAA from doing that(way too many congressional districts not to look the other way)

I always read this from fans of small schools and it always strikes me as, well, kind of crazy. The idea that Congress would gang up against conferences that have almost all the dominant flagship schools in the country to protect the Akrons and UT-Arlingtons of the world?

Not against conferences, but the NCAA.

Think about it for a moment, if they decided to do that, there would be Anti-Trust hearings. No question about it. This is not about small schools vs. large schools. It is about greedy AD's, television networks and big-money conferences vs everyone else.

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(07-26-2014 01:36 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 01:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 05:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  MAC's average attendance in the majority of their schools is the size of Dowdy Ficklen's student section. And one of your school's average football attendance would have many AAC teams in tears if it was their BASKETBALL attendance.

Go away dude. Your programs aren't on a level for you to be jibbah jabbahrin'

You realize that this is exactly what fans of P5 conferences say about us, right?

Yep

100% just scan this thread... at the outsiders

(07-26-2014 12:54 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  20 million dollars or 4-6 flights a year? Not sure which I'd prefer either.

Yep. Only 4-6 flights per year. Oh, wait, there are other teams besides football that are included in the budget. Baseball, MBB, WBB, track, XC, tennis, golf, swiming/diving, etc.

And I know it doesn't make up the entire difference, but it is a lot more money spent on planes.

(07-26-2014 12:52 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:45 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:51 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  tv money and ncaa payout are but a fragment of the equation
the average mac teams athletic budget is around 26-27 million, the average AAC athletic budget is 45 million, almost a 20mil differenece

Show me an average AAC budget of 45 million.

uconn = $63,336,022
cincy= $61,915,431
Memphis= $46,346,285
Houston= $42,024,887
Central Florida= $41,222,301
South Florida= $45,066,258



the top Mac is umass ( and they are leaving)= $30,060,635

top of the rest:
Buffalo= $28,964,050
Miami (Ohio)= $28,705,691
Western Michigan= $28,624,348

their is atleast 1 fcs above all of them (james madison at 36mil) and besides the 4 i named above, their are a couple more

So you only pick a select few to try and make your point.

Another thing - there is waayyyy more travel in the AAC. A lot of plane rides. The MAC is a lot of bus rides since the majority of schools are within 2-3 hours of everyone. For example, I think only 3-4 schools are over 3 hours from Toledo (NIU, Buffalo, Ohio. Possibly Miami & CMU). Price of bus ride <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Price of plane ride.

Congratulations. That doesn't even out a 15 million dollar budget deficit.

When you're talking about 15-20 sports and their travel budget it does take a pretty big bite out of it..

I promise you, if stipends and FCA beceom the norm the MAC will keep up..

(07-26-2014 04:19 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:52 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:45 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:51 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Show me an average AAC budget of 45 million.

uconn = $63,336,022
cincy= $61,915,431
Memphis= $46,346,285
Houston= $42,024,887
Central Florida= $41,222,301
South Florida= $45,066,258



the top Mac is umass ( and they are leaving)= $30,060,635

top of the rest:
Buffalo= $28,964,050
Miami (Ohio)= $28,705,691
Western Michigan= $28,624,348

their is atleast 1 fcs above all of them (james madison at 36mil) and besides the 4 i named above, their are a couple more

So you only pick a select few to try and make your point.

Another thing - there is waayyyy more travel in the AAC. A lot of plane rides. The MAC is a lot of bus rides since the majority of schools are within 2-3 hours of everyone. For example, I think only 3-4 schools are over 3 hours from Toledo (NIU, Buffalo, Ohio. Possibly Miami & CMU). Price of bus ride <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Price of plane ride.

Congratulations. That doesn't even out a 15 million dollar budget deficit.

When you're talking about 15-20 sports and their travel budget it does take a pretty big bite out of it..

I promise you, if stipends and FCA beceom the norm the MAC will keep up..

Good luck to you, win some OOC games while you're at it too.

Not being sarcastic

(07-26-2014 01:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 05:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  MAC's average attendance in the majority of their schools is the size of Dowdy Ficklen's student section. And one of your school's average football attendance would have many AAC teams in tears if it was their BASKETBALL attendance.

Go away dude. Your programs aren't on a level for you to be jibbah jabbahrin'

You realize that this is exactly what fans of P5 conferences say about us, right?

when we say it, it has more meaning. its the truth

(07-26-2014 07:25 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 01:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 05:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  MAC's average attendance in the majority of their schools is the size of Dowdy Ficklen's student section. And one of your school's average football attendance would have many AAC teams in tears if it was their BASKETBALL attendance.

Go away dude. Your programs aren't on a level for you to be jibbah jabbahrin'

You realize that this is exactly what fans of P5 conferences say about us, right?

when we say it, it has more meaning. its the truth

You must spend too much time out in that Georgia Southern heat huh

(07-23-2014 11:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  
we need to start creating some kind of divide that will forever put us above them, good or bad seasons. that we might not be p5 but we are still levels above those leagues

Hmmm, that seems awfully familiar, isn't that what the P5 is trying to do to everyone else? Oh the irony. Goes to show that while we may not like it, can we really blame them for what they're doing? Would we not try to do the same in their position? That paragraph seems to indicate yes.

(07-26-2014 10:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  
we need to start creating some kind of divide that will forever put us above them, good or bad seasons. that we might not be p5 but we are still levels above those leagues

Hmmm, that seems awfully familiar, isn't that what the P5 is trying to do to everyone else? Oh the irony. Goes to show that while we may not like it, can we really blame them for what they're doing? Would we not try to do the same in their position? That paragraph seems to indicate yes.

there is no irony, and its not "awfully familiar" its exactly what the p5 has done to us...
im guessing you only read my first response and not the explanation after

we dont makes the rules, but have to survive with the rules the P5 have given which is dividing the system, and if THEY are already putting permanent lines to the like of "have and have nots". it would be in our best interest to create another tier the haves, the middlers (us), and the haven nots

this isnt.."oh i cant believe the p5 is doing this to us (which is wrong and shouldnt be allowed) but lets go do it the other g5 (and thats perfectly fine)" like you are twisting it to be..
this is "the p5 have already created a divide, we need to create another divide (reactive) to do whats best for the league so we dont end up sinking to the bottom which has been labeled the have nots and potentially having some those bottom teams potentially surpass us"

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(07-26-2014 01:11 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:39 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:27 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 10:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  agree here...when you post a title like that and then put out this premise you have to expect the teams being targeted to come in here and defend...I would have

Yes, but you'll be quickly banned from the MAC or CUSA boards. They don't tolerate disagreement on other boards---we allow trolls a pretty long leash on our board. I'm fine with that but it's virtually impossible to respond in kind on the other boards. The number of CUSA is just the same as the AAC threads are irritating--but forget "defending" yourself on that forum. I just ignore them and post there when I run across an interesting thread that is not controversial. The pissing matches on other boards are not worth dealing with.

I dont think that any of us that posted from the MAC is trolling. With that being said, i seen some of the threads that AAC fans started on the MAC/ Realignment boards. Not trying to split hairs, but post after post of schools trying to get out of your conference/ merging with MWC/ running down other conferences. Do you have a long leash? Yes you do, but the difference is us MAC guys will not anyone not named kittenhead(which i respect) start flame threads.



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My only deal with the MAC is that - by virtue of fact - there is no possible way that your athletic programs are going to be able to sustain any kind of subsidization. Our teams can. Our product on the field, in my opinion, is also better.

But I don't have a dislike for the MAC, I respect how stable of a conference it is and that all of you guys have survived.

And I totally respect your opinion. The MAC are survivors, always has been. The only school that would be in danger is EMU. The flip side is we keep them around because of track.

Also I do not see a school like Temple(who had to drop some sports) to survive this also.

There are schools that might not survive this:

Idaho
ULM
UMass(Football)
NMST
EMU
Troy
Army

Could go on, but it would be a long list.

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Troy has 30 million football project on table, may try Akron instead......

(07-23-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Would we better off if the fat were trimmed?

Don't know if the AAC would be better off. The conference will still get the recruits that don't get picked off by the P5 conferences like they do now and will still be battling the MWC for the number 6 tweener spot below the P5 conferences where the AAC still has a slight edge. Winner of the BYU sweepstakes takes over the number 6 spot down the road if BYU doesn't end up in the B-12 with Cinn or one of the AAC Florida teams when they decide to go back to 12 schools and a Championship game again for the added income generated from that game in increased T V revenue.

(07-27-2014 07:29 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 01:11 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:39 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:27 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes, but you'll be quickly banned from the MAC or CUSA boards. They don't tolerate disagreement on other boards---we allow trolls a pretty long leash on our board. I'm fine with that but it's virtually impossible to respond in kind on the other boards. The number of CUSA is just the same as the AAC threads are irritating--but forget "defending" yourself on that forum. I just ignore them and post there when I run across an interesting thread that is not controversial. The pissing matches on other boards are not worth dealing with.

I dont think that any of us that posted from the MAC is trolling. With that being said, i seen some of the threads that AAC fans started on the MAC/ Realignment boards. Not trying to split hairs, but post after post of schools trying to get out of your conference/ merging with MWC/ running down other conferences. Do you have a long leash? Yes you do, but the difference is us MAC guys will not anyone not named kittenhead(which i respect) start flame threads.



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My only deal with the MAC is that - by virtue of fact - there is no possible way that your athletic programs are going to be able to sustain any kind of subsidization. Our teams can. Our product on the field, in my opinion, is also better.

But I don't have a dislike for the MAC, I respect how stable of a conference it is and that all of you guys have survived.

And I totally respect your opinion. The MAC are survivors, always has been. The only school that would be in danger is EMU. The flip side is we keep them around because of track.

Also I do not see a school like Temple(who had to drop some sports) to survive this also.

There are schools that might not survive this:

Idaho
ULM
UMass(Football)
NMST
EMU
Troy
Army

Could go on, but it would be a long list.

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Troy has 30 million football project on table, may try Akron instead......

I make a deal:

If your conference want to payoff the bonds of the 60 million we dropped on Infocision Stadium, we MIGHT consider it. NOT!

(07-26-2014 06:22 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 04:19 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:52 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:45 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  uconn = $63,336,022
cincy= $61,915,431
Memphis= $46,346,285
Houston= $42,024,887
Central Florida= $41,222,301
South Florida= $45,066,258



the top Mac is umass ( and they are leaving)= $30,060,635

top of the rest:
Buffalo= $28,964,050
Miami (Ohio)= $28,705,691
Western Michigan= $28,624,348

their is atleast 1 fcs above all of them (james madison at 36mil) and besides the 4 i named above, their are a couple more

So you only pick a select few to try and make your point.

Another thing - there is waayyyy more travel in the AAC. A lot of plane rides. The MAC is a lot of bus rides since the majority of schools are within 2-3 hours of everyone. For example, I think only 3-4 schools are over 3 hours from Toledo (NIU, Buffalo, Ohio. Possibly Miami & CMU). Price of bus ride <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Price of plane ride.

Congratulations. That doesn't even out a 15 million dollar budget deficit.

When you're talking about 15-20 sports and their travel budget it does take a pretty big bite out of it..

I promise you, if stipends and FCA beceom the norm the MAC will keep up..

Good luck to you, win some OOC games while you're at it too.

Not being sarcastic

Well we beat up on UConn last year [/align]

(07-27-2014 07:29 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 01:11 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:39 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:27 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes, but you'll be quickly banned from the MAC or CUSA boards. They don't tolerate disagreement on other boards---we allow trolls a pretty long leash on our board. I'm fine with that but it's virtually impossible to respond in kind on the other boards. The number of CUSA is just the same as the AAC threads are irritating--but forget "defending" yourself on that forum. I just ignore them and post there when I run across an interesting thread that is not controversial. The pissing matches on other boards are not worth dealing with.

I dont think that any of us that posted from the MAC is trolling. With that being said, i seen some of the threads that AAC fans started on the MAC/ Realignment boards. Not trying to split hairs, but post after post of schools trying to get out of your conference/ merging with MWC/ running down other conferences. Do you have a long leash? Yes you do, but the difference is us MAC guys will not anyone not named kittenhead(which i respect) start flame threads.



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My only deal with the MAC is that - by virtue of fact - there is no possible way that your athletic programs are going to be able to sustain any kind of subsidization. Our teams can. Our product on the field, in my opinion, is also better.

But I don't have a dislike for the MAC, I respect how stable of a conference it is and that all of you guys have survived.

And I totally respect your opinion. The MAC are survivors, always has been. The only school that would be in danger is EMU. The flip side is we keep them around because of track.

Also I do not see a school like Temple(who had to drop some sports) to survive this also.

There are schools that might not survive this:

Idaho
ULM
UMass(Football)
NMST
EMU
Troy
Army

Could go on, but it would be a long list.

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Troy has 30 million football project on table, may try Akron instead......

Akron just built a 60 million dollar stadium a couple of years ago...

(07-26-2014 01:11 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:39 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:27 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 10:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  agree here...when you post a title like that and then put out this premise you have to expect the teams being targeted to come in here and defend...I would have

Yes, but you'll be quickly banned from the MAC or CUSA boards. They don't tolerate disagreement on other boards---we allow trolls a pretty long leash on our board. I'm fine with that but it's virtually impossible to respond in kind on the other boards. The number of CUSA is just the same as the AAC threads are irritating--but forget "defending" yourself on that forum. I just ignore them and post there when I run across an interesting thread that is not controversial. The pissing matches on other boards are not worth dealing with.

I dont think that any of us that posted from the MAC is trolling. With that being said, i seen some of the threads that AAC fans started on the MAC/ Realignment boards. Not trying to split hairs, but post after post of schools trying to get out of your conference/ merging with MWC/ running down other conferences. Do you have a long leash? Yes you do, but the difference is us MAC guys will not anyone not named kittenhead(which i respect) start flame threads.



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My only deal with the MAC is that - by virtue of fact - there is no possible way that your athletic programs are going to be able to sustain any kind of subsidization. Our teams can. Our product on the field, in my opinion, is also better.

But I don't have a dislike for the MAC, I respect how stable of a conference it is and that all of you guys have survived.

And I totally respect your opinion. The MAC are survivors, always has been. The only school that would be in danger is EMU. The flip side is we keep them around because of track.

Also I do not see a school like Temple(who had to drop some sports) to survive this also.

There are schools that might not survive this:

Idaho
ULM
UMass(Football)
NMST
EMU
Troy
Army

Could go on, but it would be a long list.

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You lost all credibility by putting ARMY on this list. Way to much history and money to not make it.

(07-27-2014 01:56 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  You lost all credibility by putting ARMY on this list. Way to much history and money to not make it.

How?

It is safe to assume that they might never be able to complete at the highest level again. Unless they go the Navy route with their style of recruiting. It will be really hard for them, regardless if they stay independent or join any conference.

Just having them in a conference for one game(in which no conference will get the rights to) is pointless.

EDIT: History and money? You can say the same thing about the IVY, but there are not looking to move up.