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(07-25-2014 10:11 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 07:55 AM)swampbear Wrote:  No....we have not fainted......there will be more realignment but not in the way that everyone may be thinking......

If you've been talking to the same folks I have, we're on the same page and there's a whole lot of G5 schools going to be really pissed off when that day comes (which won't be for atleast 5-7 years).

Don't know what the rumor/talk is (wanna give us some hints, its the offseason), but UL is doing all it can to put itself in poll position to make a move up. If they continue to expand the stadium, win bowl games, have other sports nationally ranked, grow their endowments, etc...
Who knows. The Big12 might want a school that has a top 10 baseball team, solid football with 50K+ stadium, and in the footprint.

I'm just upset the GS is 10-15 years behind schedule.
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(07-25-2014 11:05 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 07:55 AM)swampbear Wrote:  No....we have not fainted......there will be more realignment but not in the way that everyone may be thinking......

No joke.....some people really believe that realignment will not continue outside of the Big 5....they will be surprised. As for fainting, if OSAGE and some of his boys continue to drop a turd every time the Ragin' Cajuns are mentioned in the media and Arky isn't, we can at least enjoy the side show!03-lmfao

How do you see more realignment happening at this point. If the B12 adds one and it trickles down to CUSA, what makes you think CUSA will want to stay above 12?
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(07-25-2014 10:11 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 07:55 AM)swampbear Wrote:  No....we have not fainted......there will be more realignment but not in the way that everyone may be thinking......

If you've been talking to the same folks I have, we're on the same page and there's a whole lot of G5 schools going to be really pissed off when that day comes (which won't be for atleast 5-7 years).

Seeing as how ya'll are both FCS schools, no way FCS and G5 get combined. It's not happening.
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RE: CUSA Finished With Expansion
(07-25-2014 11:14 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 10:11 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 07:55 AM)swampbear Wrote:  No....we have not fainted......there will be more realignment but not in the way that everyone may be thinking......

If you've been talking to the same folks I have, we're on the same page and there's a whole lot of G5 schools going to be really pissed off when that day comes (which won't be for atleast 5-7 years).

Seeing as how ya'll are both FCS schools, no way FCS and G5 get combined. It's not happening.

Even if they were, I still see the G5 schools refusing to play the FCS schools.
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(07-25-2014 10:02 AM)HCJag Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:58 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  How much more wealthy is CUSA than the SBC?

There's only one school that sticks out and seems out of place among the SBC and CUSA conferences. There's Rice ($4.84 billion endowment), and then there's everyone else.

Bingo. Hard to believe they didn't manage to move during mass realignment. I'm wondering how much they care at this point...
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CUSA lives high off what we (ECU, UCF, Houston, Tulsa, Cincy, USF, etc.) did in the past...... The only team with room to talk over there is USM.
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RE: CUSA Finished With Expansion
(07-25-2014 08:56 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:22 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  I understand that many of existing C-USA were former Sun Belt institutions.
But, honestly, I can't even begin to name the schools because most of them don't matter.

C-USA is largely irrelevant.

I know their fans would say the same thing about the Sun Belt,
but if it's a choice between watching a C-USA game and pet videos on YouTube,
I'm still goin' pet videos.

I suppose CUSA claims superiority over the SunBelt due to 4 of their schools (La Tech, Rice, S Miss & UTEP) being long time 1-A/ FBS programs. But when you look at the rest of the members the conference is made up of 1-AA move ups (UAB 1996, Marshall 1997, MTSU 1999, WKU 2010) and four schools who didn't have a program prior to the late 1990's (FAU FIU, ODU and UNCC). Hardly any difference from the SunBelt.

One has to think the fans at Rice have to be wondering what happened. In the mid 90's the Owls were in the Southwest Conference filling up a 70,000 seat stadium playing people like Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas.
They claim superiority because by most of the measurable we use to compare conferences, they are.

They chose to focus on factors other than football in determining who to select.

Problem going forward is under the new post season format those conferences that added good football teams, and lost bad ones may have an advantage, over them. That is all the other 4 G5 Conferences.

Most are now saying that the gap in measurable's between the SBC and CUSA will continue to close and close rapidly.
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(07-25-2014 06:26 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  UL fans just fainted.

Not this one. When I read the title, I thought, "good".
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IF the Big 12 does decide to add others they have many choices other than a Sun Belt team.

BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis, and so on. The closer to West Virginia probably the better.

So I'm not sure why any Sun Belt school would be banking on the Big 12.

CUSA has no reason to go back to 14 if they lose a couple and they might just as easily grab JMU and Delaware if they did.
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(07-25-2014 12:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  IF the Big 12 does decide to add others they have many choices other than a Sun Belt team.

BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis, and so on. The closer to West Virginia probably the better.

So I'm not sure why any Sun Belt school would be banking on the Big 12.

CUSA has no reason to go back to 14 if they lose a couple and they might just as easily grab JMU and Delaware if they did.

You're joking, right? Why would CUSA want two programs that are already within their footprint that also have to transition rather than two programs with winning records? On top of that, why would CUSA want two more programs at all? 12 is optimal, not 14, 16, or anywhere in between.
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RE: CUSA Finished With Expansion
(07-25-2014 11:12 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 11:05 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 07:55 AM)swampbear Wrote:  No....we have not fainted......there will be more realignment but not in the way that everyone may be thinking......

No joke.....some people really believe that realignment will not continue outside of the Big 5....they will be surprised. As for fainting, if OSAGE and some of his boys continue to drop a turd every time the Ragin' Cajuns are mentioned in the media and Arky isn't, we can at least enjoy the side show!03-lmfao

How do you see more realignment happening at this point. If the B12 adds one and it trickles down to CUSA, what makes you think CUSA will want to stay above 12?

No one is talking specifically about the Big12, is it not one of the Big 5? The Big 5 are not going to add programs right now, the realignment will take place amongst the other 5 conferences with more regional focus in the future. The goal remains the same right now for all of us, continue to build your brand, budget, foundation and invest in infrastructure.
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(07-25-2014 08:56 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:22 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  I understand that many of existing C-USA were former Sun Belt institutions.
But, honestly, I can't even begin to name the schools because most of them don't matter.

C-USA is largely irrelevant.

I know their fans would say the same thing about the Sun Belt,
but if it's a choice between watching a C-USA game and pet videos on YouTube,
I'm still goin' pet videos.

I suppose CUSA claims superiority over the SunBelt due to 4 of their schools (La Tech, Rice, S Miss & UTEP) being long time 1-A/ FBS programs. But when you look at the rest of the members the conference is made up of 1-AA move ups (UAB 1996, Marshall 1997, MTSU 1999, WKU 2010) and four schools who didn't have a program prior to the late 1990's (FAU FIU, ODU and UNCC). Hardly any difference from the SunBelt.

One has to think the fans at Rice have to be wondering what happened. In the mid 90's the Owls were in the Southwest Conference filling up a 70,000 seat stadium playing people like Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas.

FWIW La Tech has been D1 3 more years than stAte.
Both moved up in 75, back down in 82. Then Tech back up in 89 and stAte back up in 92.

Same for ULM, except ULM back in 94.

And Tech folks are going to have to face up to being behind the Red Wolves and the Cajuns in football soon enough. They already are, they just haven't come to terms with it yet! There is some serious denial happening on their board over the Cajuns' Ranking in the USA Today countdown!
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(07-25-2014 12:06 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  IF the Big 12 does decide to add others they have many choices other than a Sun Belt team.

BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis, and so on. The closer to West Virginia probably the better.

So I'm not sure why any Sun Belt school would be banking on the Big 12.

CUSA has no reason to go back to 14 if they lose a couple and they might just as easily grab JMU and Delaware if they did.

You're joking, right? Why would CUSA want two programs that are already within their footprint that also have to transition rather than two programs with winning records? On top of that, why would CUSA want two more programs at all? 12 is optimal, not 14, 16, or anywhere in between.

1) Yeah you right, why would anyone want programs already in their footprint! Maybe Idaho would make more sense.

2) You are slamming me about 12 being optimal when I specifically said in my post that they have no reason to go back to 14! smh
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(07-25-2014 12:12 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:56 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:22 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  I understand that many of existing C-USA were former Sun Belt institutions.
But, honestly, I can't even begin to name the schools because most of them don't matter.

C-USA is largely irrelevant.

I know their fans would say the same thing about the Sun Belt,
but if it's a choice between watching a C-USA game and pet videos on YouTube,
I'm still goin' pet videos.

I suppose CUSA claims superiority over the SunBelt due to 4 of their schools (La Tech, Rice, S Miss & UTEP) being long time 1-A/ FBS programs. But when you look at the rest of the members the conference is made up of 1-AA move ups (UAB 1996, Marshall 1997, MTSU 1999, WKU 2010) and four schools who didn't have a program prior to the late 1990's (FAU FIU, ODU and UNCC). Hardly any difference from the SunBelt.

One has to think the fans at Rice have to be wondering what happened. In the mid 90's the Owls were in the Southwest Conference filling up a 70,000 seat stadium playing people like Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas.

FWIW La Tech has been D1 3 more years than stAte.
Both moved up in 75, back down in 82. Then Tech back up in 89 and stAte back up in 92.

Same for ULM, except ULM back in 94.

And Tech folks are going to have to face up to being behind the Red Wolves and the Cajuns in football soon enough. They already are, they just haven't come to terms with it yet! There is some serious denial happening on their board over the Cajuns' Ranking in the USA Today countdown!

Although I'm not the biggest fan of Skip Holtz as a coach, he's done a pretty nice job recruiting to La Tech the last two years (assuming their 2015 class doesn't fall apart).

I wouldn't say it is a sure thing their program falls behind until we see how some of these recruits play out.
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RE: CUSA Finished With Expansion
(07-25-2014 12:17 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:06 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  IF the Big 12 does decide to add others they have many choices other than a Sun Belt team.

BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis, and so on. The closer to West Virginia probably the better.

So I'm not sure why any Sun Belt school would be banking on the Big 12.

CUSA has no reason to go back to 14 if they lose a couple and they might just as easily grab JMU and Delaware if they did.

You're joking, right? Why would CUSA want two programs that are already within their footprint that also have to transition rather than two programs with winning records? On top of that, why would CUSA want two more programs at all? 12 is optimal, not 14, 16, or anywhere in between.

1) Yeah you right, why would anyone want programs already in their footprint! Maybe Idaho would make more sense.

2) You are slamming me about 12 being optimal when I specifically said in my post that they have no reason to go back to 14! smh

You said that JMU and UD would be options for them. Yes, this is true, but why would they want to choose two FCS transition programs over two already-FBS programs? Why would they want to add two new programs, at all? That's my point.
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(07-25-2014 12:52 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:17 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:06 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  IF the Big 12 does decide to add others they have many choices other than a Sun Belt team.

BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis, and so on. The closer to West Virginia probably the better.

So I'm not sure why any Sun Belt school would be banking on the Big 12.

CUSA has no reason to go back to 14 if they lose a couple and they might just as easily grab JMU and Delaware if they did.

You're joking, right? Why would CUSA want two programs that are already within their footprint that also have to transition rather than two programs with winning records? On top of that, why would CUSA want two more programs at all? 12 is optimal, not 14, 16, or anywhere in between.

1) Yeah you right, why would anyone want programs already in their footprint! Maybe Idaho would make more sense.

2) You are slamming me about 12 being optimal when I specifically said in my post that they have no reason to go back to 14! smh

You said that JMU and UD would be options for them. Yes, this is true, but why would they want to choose two FCS transition programs over two already-FBS programs? Why would they want to add two new programs, at all? That's my point.

Why did they choose Charlotte, who had no football team yet, over UL or stAte or WKU? Why did the AAC choose Tulane? Why was ODU chosen over stAte and UL? Why did they choose LaTech over UL which has a bigger market? They had their reasons and they weren't the ones everyone necessarily expected.

People insist they know what conferences are going to do in conference realignment and they don't.
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(07-25-2014 12:41 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:12 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:56 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:22 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  I understand that many of existing C-USA were former Sun Belt institutions.
But, honestly, I can't even begin to name the schools because most of them don't matter.

C-USA is largely irrelevant.

I know their fans would say the same thing about the Sun Belt,
but if it's a choice between watching a C-USA game and pet videos on YouTube,
I'm still goin' pet videos.

I suppose CUSA claims superiority over the SunBelt due to 4 of their schools (La Tech, Rice, S Miss & UTEP) being long time 1-A/ FBS programs. But when you look at the rest of the members the conference is made up of 1-AA move ups (UAB 1996, Marshall 1997, MTSU 1999, WKU 2010) and four schools who didn't have a program prior to the late 1990's (FAU FIU, ODU and UNCC). Hardly any difference from the SunBelt.

One has to think the fans at Rice have to be wondering what happened. In the mid 90's the Owls were in the Southwest Conference filling up a 70,000 seat stadium playing people like Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas.

FWIW La Tech has been D1 3 more years than stAte.
Both moved up in 75, back down in 82. Then Tech back up in 89 and stAte back up in 92.

Same for ULM, except ULM back in 94.

And Tech folks are going to have to face up to being behind the Red Wolves and the Cajuns in football soon enough. They already are, they just haven't come to terms with it yet! There is some serious denial happening on their board over the Cajuns' Ranking in the USA Today countdown!

Although I'm not the biggest fan of Skip Holtz as a coach, he's done a pretty nice job recruiting to La Tech the last two years (assuming their 2015 class doesn't fall apart).

I wouldn't say it is a sure thing their program falls behind until we see how some of these recruits play out.
Yeah, they are only 8 spots behind stAte in the rankings this year which is a surprise. The Holtz name may help a little.
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(07-25-2014 12:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:52 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:17 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:06 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 12:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  IF the Big 12 does decide to add others they have many choices other than a Sun Belt team.

BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis, and so on. The closer to West Virginia probably the better.

So I'm not sure why any Sun Belt school would be banking on the Big 12.

CUSA has no reason to go back to 14 if they lose a couple and they might just as easily grab JMU and Delaware if they did.

You're joking, right? Why would CUSA want two programs that are already within their footprint that also have to transition rather than two programs with winning records? On top of that, why would CUSA want two more programs at all? 12 is optimal, not 14, 16, or anywhere in between.

1) Yeah you right, why would anyone want programs already in their footprint! Maybe Idaho would make more sense.

2) You are slamming me about 12 being optimal when I specifically said in my post that they have no reason to go back to 14! smh

You said that JMU and UD would be options for them. Yes, this is true, but why would they want to choose two FCS transition programs over two already-FBS programs? Why would they want to add two new programs, at all? That's my point.

Why did they choose Charlotte, who had no football team yet, over UL or stAte or WKU? Why did the AAC choose Tulane? Why was ODU chosen over stAte and UL? Why did they choose LaTech over UL which has a bigger market? They had their reasons and they weren't the ones everyone necessarily expected.

People insist they know what conferences are going to do in conference realignment and they don't.


LaTech is dripping with prestige. Please try to keep up.
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(07-25-2014 11:47 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:56 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:22 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  I understand that many of existing C-USA were former Sun Belt institutions.
But, honestly, I can't even begin to name the schools because most of them don't matter.

C-USA is largely irrelevant.

I know their fans would say the same thing about the Sun Belt,
but if it's a choice between watching a C-USA game and pet videos on YouTube,
I'm still goin' pet videos.

I suppose CUSA claims superiority over the SunBelt due to 4 of their schools (La Tech, Rice, S Miss & UTEP) being long time 1-A/ FBS programs. But when you look at the rest of the members the conference is made up of 1-AA move ups (UAB 1996, Marshall 1997, MTSU 1999, WKU 2010) and four schools who didn't have a program prior to the late 1990's (FAU FIU, ODU and UNCC). Hardly any difference from the SunBelt.

One has to think the fans at Rice have to be wondering what happened. In the mid 90's the Owls were in the Southwest Conference filling up a 70,000 seat stadium playing people like Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas.
They claim superiority because by most of the measurable we use to compare conferences, they are.

They chose to focus on factors other than football in determining who to select.

Problem going forward is under the new post season format those conferences that added good football teams, and lost bad ones may have an advantage, over them. That is all the other 4 G5 Conferences.

Most are now saying that the gap in measurable's between the SBC and CUSA will continue to close and close rapidly.

Please enlighten us on what are those measurables and factors are. While you're at it, who exactly is "we"? I seriously doubt YOU have anything to do with determining who candidates are.

If one of your measurables is market you can toss that out the window because it has been clearly shown not to be a factor in determining the success of a program or how many fans it draws to games. When the next TV contracts come out CUSA members are in for a shock. I'm willing to bet more than a few will wish they had stayed right where they were.
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RE: CUSA Finished With Expansion
(07-25-2014 01:22 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 11:47 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:56 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 08:22 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  I understand that many of existing C-USA were former Sun Belt institutions.
But, honestly, I can't even begin to name the schools because most of them don't matter.

C-USA is largely irrelevant.

I know their fans would say the same thing about the Sun Belt,
but if it's a choice between watching a C-USA game and pet videos on YouTube,
I'm still goin' pet videos.

I suppose CUSA claims superiority over the SunBelt due to 4 of their schools (La Tech, Rice, S Miss & UTEP) being long time 1-A/ FBS programs. But when you look at the rest of the members the conference is made up of 1-AA move ups (UAB 1996, Marshall 1997, MTSU 1999, WKU 2010) and four schools who didn't have a program prior to the late 1990's (FAU FIU, ODU and UNCC). Hardly any difference from the SunBelt.

One has to think the fans at Rice have to be wondering what happened. In the mid 90's the Owls were in the Southwest Conference filling up a 70,000 seat stadium playing people like Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas.
They claim superiority because by most of the measurable we use to compare conferences, they are.

They chose to focus on factors other than football in determining who to select.

Problem going forward is under the new post season format those conferences that added good football teams, and lost bad ones may have an advantage, over them. That is all the other 4 G5 Conferences.

Most are now saying that the gap in measurable's between the SBC and CUSA will continue to close and close rapidly.

Please enlighten us on what are those measurables and factors are. While you're at it, who exactly is "we"? I seriously doubt YOU have anything to do with determining who candidates are.

If one of your measurables is market you can toss that out the window because it has been clearly shown not to be a factor in determining the success of a program or how many fans it draws to games. When the next TV contracts come out CUSA members are in for a shock. I'm willing to bet more than a few will wish they had stayed right where they were.
Why? At worst, CUSA's new television contract will be the same as the SBC's.

Throw in the fact that the schools that joined CUSA first from the latest round of realignment get 5 years of $1 million per year media payments (AAC schools that left have to pay the conference for 2 years after current Fox Sports/CBS contract is up if the new contract is for less).

Throw in more bowl options, easier/cheaper travel (most schools in CUSA are very close to major airports), more exposure on television, and better basketball and I can't imagine any school would want to go back.

Schools like MT and WKU care about more than just football, so CUSA is a far better fit for them.
07-25-2014 01:40 PM
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