(06-23-2014 11:12 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

Jesus?

We should all strive to be like Jesus.

(06-23-2014 11:14 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:12 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

Jesus?

We should all strive to be like Jesus.

Do you really believe you're more compassionate than other people here?

I've committed untold hours, dollars, and energy to those worse off than I am. What I don't like is the government extorting money from me to give to others.

(06-23-2014 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:00 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man.

No you weren't. Newborns are the most egocentric people on the planet. Their needs first, last, always.

I stand corrected.

You're right. However, somewhere along the way, I started feeling sorry for the downtrodden and have had a place in my heart for them ever since.

Me too, and that was kind of instilled in me by my parents. As much through actions as words.

Also, growing up, I always marvelled at nature (not in a religious sense), particularly animals, and never grew out of that. Think that's where the environmentalist in me comes from, though I'm not an activist.

(06-23-2014 11:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:14 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:12 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

Jesus?

We should all strive to be like Jesus.

Do you really believe you're more compassionate than other people here?

I've committed untold hours, dollars, and energy to those worse off than I am. What I don't like is the government extorting money from me to give to others.

I've never said that I'm more compassionate than anyone on this forum.

I'm sure there are plenty of compassionate people in this forum and the United States is the most compassionate nation on the planet.

I think I'm in the minority however when I say I would like for it to stay that way.

(06-23-2014 10:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I think you're a blank slate, whose opinions begin forming with the first sensory input.

This...no one has a born in predisposition to any ideology.

(06-23-2014 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:00 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man.

No you weren't. Newborns are the most egocentric people on the planet. Their needs first, last, always.

I stand corrected.

You're right. However, somewhere along the way, I started feeling sorry for the downtrodden and have had a place in my heart for them ever since.

Here's where we differ. I pity the downtrodden, but only the ones that truly can't help themselves. For those which are downtrodden and refuse to help themselves, I feel zero pity. And I believe they make up the majority of the people on government assistance.

(06-23-2014 11:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:14 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:12 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

Jesus?

We should all strive to be like Jesus.

Do you really believe you're more compassionate than other people here?

I've committed untold hours, dollars, and energy to those worse off than I am. What I don't like is the government extorting money from me to give to others.

OK, but what would Jesus do? Didn't he say render unto Ceasar? Somehow I doubt Jesus would be crying like so many on here about the government taxing him and trying to help the poor. I doubt if his ego was that big. I think he pretty clearly understood that no wealth is earned, nor is it permanent. It's all a gift from God and no one actually owns anything. Conserv have the false belief that they are owed their money and it belongs to them. Psychologically it's a control issue. When people disagree with a policy and are taxed to support it, they feel out of control (i.e. the government has to much control).

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

Full of schit.

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

Someone who should choose to donate their time/money/effort toward helping the poor; but not someone who should elect people who would force others to do the same against their wills through government force.

We are all born selfish....it is our nature. Then through a loving family with hopefully a father and mother inside the home, one learns how to share, hard work and accountability and responsibility. Then again through a moral upbringing in an active church you learn love and grace and forgiveness.

(06-23-2014 11:31 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

Someone who should choose to donate their time/money/effort toward helping the poor; but not someone who would elect people who would force others to do the same against their wills through government force.

Oh My....Dropped some "gun in the room" schit on him.

(06-23-2014 11:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:14 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:12 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

Jesus?

We should all strive to be like Jesus.

Do you really believe you're more compassionate than other people here?

I've committed untold hours, dollars, and energy to those worse off than I am. What I don't like is the government extorting money from me to give to others.

OK, but what would Jesus do? Didn't he say render unto Ceasar? Somehow I doubt Jesus would be crying like so many on here about the government taxing him and trying to help the poor. I doubt if his ego was that big. I think he pretty clearly understood that no wealth is earned, nor is it permanent. It's all a gift from God and no one actually owns anything. Conserv have the false belief that they are owed their money and it belongs to them. Psychologically it's a control issue. When people disagree with a policy and are taxed to support it, they feel out of control (i.e. the government has to much control).

Your logic is flawed. As a Conservative, I will gladly help anyone that NEEDS help (keyword, needs), and I will gladly pay taxes to fund city and state projects to better our roads etc. I'm almost certain that every Conservative on this forum will agree with me on this.

"The false belief" that I own my own money, how silly of me.

(06-23-2014 11:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:14 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:12 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

Jesus?

We should all strive to be like Jesus.

Do you really believe you're more compassionate than other people here?

I've committed untold hours, dollars, and energy to those worse off than I am. What I don't like is the government extorting money from me to give to others.

OK, but what would Jesus do? Didn't he say render unto Ceasar? Somehow I doubt Jesus would be crying like so many on here about the government taxing him and trying to help the poor. I doubt if his ego was that big. I think he pretty clearly understood that no wealth is earned, nor is it permanent. It's all a gift from God and no one actually owns anything. Conserv have the false belief that they are owed their money and it belongs to them. Psychologically it's a control issue. When people disagree with a policy and are taxed to support it, they feel out of control (i.e. the government has to much control).

I own myself. Since that is an indisputable fact....I also own the fruits of my labor. If not? I am a slave....pure and simple. Objecting income redistribution has ZERO to do with helping people.

(06-23-2014 11:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  "The false belief" that I own my own money, how silly of me.

Yep...That pretty much sums up Socialists in a nutshell.

(06-23-2014 11:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  "The false belief" that I own my own money, how silly of me.

Silly! Its not your money that you earned with your efforts! It belongs to your government overlords! How silly of you!

(06-23-2014 10:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was born with a general concern for my fellow man. Especially the poor. What does that make me?

That makes you a good person; however, doesn't have anything to do with being either liberal or conservative.

it definitely comes down to the environment you grew up in.

I believe we have a predisposition to eventually fall into one of the camps.

(06-23-2014 12:20 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I believe we have a predisposition to eventually fall into one of the camps.

I think the choice is made when one decides that "fairness"
is either achieved when the rules are applied equally to everyone
or is best obtained by different rules for different people.

In my experience, I’ve noticed how a person defines “justice” usually determines their political ideology.