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RE: Sunbelt in discussion with U Mass
UMASS FB only

NMSU all sports

Send UALR east.

Each division would have 1 non FB member and 1 FB only member.

Allow permanent cross over rivals. Keeps the stAte/UALR series alive.

If we had to, I'm sure the league could come up with some sort of compensation package for UALR.
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RE: Sunbelt in discussion with U Mass
(05-14-2014 01:31 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  UMASS FB only

NMSU all sports

Send UALR east.

Each division would have 1 non FB member and 1 FB only member.

Allow permanent cross over rivals. Keeps the state/UALR series alive.

If we had to, I'm sure the league could come up with some sort of compensation package for UALR.

I like this plan - let's do it...
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RE: Sunbelt in discussion with U Mass
If UMass or Liberty is added it is obvious who the 6 east/6 west schools would be. Winners of each play in conf. champ game.

In all other sports I don't see why the conference just can't stick at 11 members-- no divisions. In baskeball/volleyball you can play double round robin schedules. In softball/baseball play all other members in single round robin. I guess in other sports it would work with no divisions also.

The point is that I don't see the overwhelming need to adding NMSU in all sports.
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RE: Sunbelt in discussion with U Mass
(05-14-2014 01:18 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 12:10 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  IFF the SBC needed another football team, this is a good move for SB West. You don't dilute your voting power and you can tell recruits that they get a trip to Boston once or twice in their careers. And Boston Globe coverage isn't a bad thing.

Boston Globe coverage is meaningless to a recruit in NOLA, Miami, Houston, Fl Panhandle, Dallas Forth Worth, or Atlanta some of our big recruiting platforms. Unlike TooLame they probably do get local press coverage. But that helps them not us.

UMass without basketball is an absolute waste of time. Again if they can come up with five or six home and home games for basketball and bringing NMSU basketball in we got something to discuss.

By the way Liberty currently would bring a pretty nice baseball team to the SBC unlike TooLame who now brings zero to the AAC, no market, no baseball, no basketball, and no football.
The essence of the ULL fan. The modus operandi of the ULL fan has been consistent for 30 years: take any opportunity to trash the ever living hell out of every school, in the state in a sad attempt to make themselves look better. It's a relentless strategy. I see it's been a successful strategy.
Back to the subject. Sure, take an eastern all sports team. Take Liberty. And now you're a minority in your own league, but with a fellow-traveler of the social philosophy of the core of your fan base (but not of your institution nor of your city, thank goodness).
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RE: Sunbelt in discussion with U Mass
(05-14-2014 01:37 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  If UMass or Liberty is added it is obvious who the 6 east/6 west schools would be. Winners of each play in conf. champ game.

In all other sports I don't see why the conference just can't stick at 11 members-- no divisions. In baskeball/volleyball you can play double round robin schedules. In softball/baseball play all other members in single round robin. I guess in other sports it would work with no divisions also.

The point is that I don't see the overwhelming need to adding NMSU in all sports.

I understand your logic but having NMSU as a football only member means we are not taking advantage of performance in other sports. NMSU excels in the Olympic sports and could be a great add to our conference RPI.
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I am still not convinced that either Liberty or UMass can get the required 9 of 11 votes for an invite. For various reasons and depending on the school there are plenty of reasons why each of these 2 schools would get 3 "no" votes if not more than that.
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(05-14-2014 01:14 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 12:55 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I read the Fowler story and the ... "what Karl Benson calls 'very
[b]Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerCBS 1mpreliminary' discussion"
... was left out. A few minutes later the story was updated. Then Fowler made a quick follow up tweet stressing it. I'm guessing someone made phone call after it was posted .... ???

https://twitter.com/Daniel_Malone/status...2252515328

@Daniel_Malone Had follow-up talk with Benson, who wanted to stress that though, yes, discussions, not that far down road.[/b]

So what he is suggesting is that they had discussions but they didn't go very far. So no story here.
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(05-14-2014 01:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 01:06 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  As a Boston guy, I just wanted to clarify that visiting teams will NOT necessarily be getting a trip to Boston....
Boston is 94 miles from Amherst, MA for UMass on campus games
Boston is 28 miles from Gillette Stadium for UMass off campus games

To get to Amherst, you fly into Hartford CT's airport (Bradley International Airport in Windsor Locks, CT - it is 45 miles from Amherst)

To get to Gillette Stadium, you can either fly into Logan International Airport in Boston or T.F. Green Airport in Providence (they are equidistant to Gillette at about 30 miles away). There is less traffic from T.F. Green to Gillette, so many visiting teams stay in Providence or near Gillette stadium since the hotels are also cheaper outside of Boston.

Bradley (Hartford) is your UMass Airport. 94 miles in the Northeast seems a lot longer than it does in the Southeast. Logan is on the far side of Boston from UMass. My guess is that Green (Providence) would be less used for Gillette than Logan because of connection issues.

94 miles on the Mass Pike from Boston to Amherst is BRUTAL! I drive that road to visit my parents in CT and gridlock is a frequent occurrence.

The 45 miles from Bradley (Hartford) to Amherst goes by tobacco fields (where they grow CT shade grown cigar wrappers), farmland, and rolling hills and the traffic is minimal. Also, the bars in Amherst and Northampton (awesome town next to it) are phenomenal. That is really all you need for a fun weekend (unless you want to sight see in Boston and hit the bars there as well). Maybe the way to do it is to fly into one airport on Southwest and leave out of the other so that you can take in Boston and also party in Amherst and Northampton (oh, and see the game).
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(05-14-2014 01:51 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/Daniel_Malone/status...2252515328

@Daniel_Malone Had follow-up talk with Benson, who wanted to stress that though, yes, discussions, not that far down road.

So what he is suggesting is that they had discussions but they didn't go very far. So no story here.

Thats what I got? I'm not sure why Fowler ran it? Maybe he was fishing for info to see if Benson or anyone at U Mass would bite.
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(05-14-2014 11:58 AM)asupatch Wrote:  Looks like the final nail in LU's coffin. Combine this with the EKU prez stating no room for an FCS. Welcome aboard UMASS. Now I have a reason to visit Boston.

Amherst. It's about an hour and half west of Boston. But it's a very very fun college town. You'll enjoy it more than Boston.
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(05-14-2014 01:51 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 01:14 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 12:55 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I read the Fowler story and the ... "what Karl Benson calls 'very
[b]Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerCBS 1mpreliminary' discussion"
... was left out. A few minutes later the story was updated. Then Fowler made a quick follow up tweet stressing it. I'm guessing someone made phone call after it was posted .... ???

https://twitter.com/Daniel_Malone/status...2252515328

@Daniel_Malone Had follow-up talk with Benson, who wanted to stress that though, yes, discussions, not that far down road.[/b]

So what he is suggesting is that they had discussions but they didn't go very far. So no story here.

No, they are having discussions but they are not that far along yet.
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(05-14-2014 02:16 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 01:51 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 01:14 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 12:55 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I read the Fowler story and the ... "what Karl Benson calls 'very
[b]Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerCBS 1mpreliminary' discussion"
... was left out. A few minutes later the story was updated. Then Fowler made a quick follow up tweet stressing it. I'm guessing someone made phone call after it was posted .... ???

https://twitter.com/Daniel_Malone/status...2252515328

@Daniel_Malone Had follow-up talk with Benson, who wanted to stress that though, yes, discussions, not that far down road.[/b]

So what he is suggesting is that they had discussions but they didn't go very far. So no story here.

No, they are having discussions but they are not that far along yet.

Exactly, as in they just started discussions. The timing is on purpose due to the upcoming SB meetings.
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RE: Sunbelt in discussion with U Mass
(05-14-2014 01:51 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 01:14 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 12:55 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I read the Fowler story and the ... "what Karl Benson calls 'very
[b]Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerCBS 1mpreliminary' discussion"
... was left out. A few minutes later the story was updated. Then Fowler made a quick follow up tweet stressing it. I'm guessing someone made phone call after it was posted .... ???

https://twitter.com/Daniel_Malone/status...2252515328

@Daniel_Malone Had follow-up talk with Benson, who wanted to stress that though, yes, discussions, not that far down road.[/b]

So what he is suggesting is that they had discussions but they didn't go very far. So no story here.

That seems like wishful thinking. I read it as "preliminary", as in more discussion to follow. Its a process.
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(05-14-2014 02:22 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 01:51 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 01:14 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 12:55 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I read the Fowler story and the ... "what Karl Benson calls 'very
[b]Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerCBS 1mpreliminary' discussion"
... was left out. A few minutes later the story was updated. Then Fowler made a quick follow up tweet stressing it. I'm guessing someone made phone call after it was posted .... ???

https://twitter.com/Daniel_Malone/status...2252515328

@Daniel_Malone Had follow-up talk with Benson, who wanted to stress that though, yes, discussions, not that far down road.[/b]

So what he is suggesting is that they had discussions but they didn't go very far. So no story here.

That seems like wishful thinking. I read it as "preliminary", as in more discussion to follow. Its a process.

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I oppose any expansion plan that results in basketball playing in divisions. The divisional structure often rewards an above average year but not great year with a purported championship if you have the good fortune to play in a division that is not very good. The third best team in the league should not be rewarded with a divisional champ bye and the coach shouldn't have that as a resume accomplishment to bolster the argument for a contract extension.
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Liberty fans you do realize that the June 1st deadline doesn't matter to UMass. Having any other option other than Liberty is a BAD sign for you guys.
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(05-14-2014 02:16 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 01:51 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 01:14 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 12:55 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I read the Fowler story and the ... "what Karl Benson calls 'very
[b]Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerCBS 1mpreliminary' discussion"
... was left out. A few minutes later the story was updated. Then Fowler made a quick follow up tweet stressing it. I'm guessing someone made phone call after it was posted .... ???

https://twitter.com/Daniel_Malone/status...2252515328

@Daniel_Malone Had follow-up talk with Benson, who wanted to stress that though, yes, discussions, not that far down road.[/b]

So what he is suggesting is that they had discussions but they didn't go very far. So no story here.

No, they are having discussions but they are not that far along yet.

Correct as in preliminary, early in discussion. Not that they hit a stop sign. Some people will read into something whatever they deem best suits their opinions.
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(05-14-2014 02:16 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 11:58 AM)asupatch Wrote:  Looks like the final nail in LU's coffin. Combine this with the EKU prez stating no room for an FCS. Welcome aboard UMASS. Now I have a reason to visit Boston.

Amherst. It's about an hour and half west of Boston. But it's a very very fun college town. You'll enjoy it more than Boston.

Yea. I love Boston. Its a gorgeous city. But the nightlife in Boston.....is staggeringly mediocre.
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(05-14-2014 02:16 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(05-14-2014 11:58 AM)asupatch Wrote:  Looks like the final nail in LU's coffin. Combine this with the EKU prez stating no room for an FCS. Welcome aboard UMASS. Now I have a reason to visit Boston.

Amherst. It's about an hour and half west of Boston. But it's a very very fun college town. You'll enjoy it more than Boston.

Family friend in Boston we could stay with. I also have two young kids in tow, fun college town with youngsters=bad idea.
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(05-14-2014 02:36 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Liberty fans you do realize that the June 1st deadline doesn't matter to UMass. Having any other option other than Liberty is a BAD sign for you guys.

So there could be the following consensus reached.

1) Lets just wait on LU. They aren't ready now. And they'll still be there if we need them later
2) If the NCAA doesn't allow us to have a CCG at 11, then we can add UMass
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