(05-09-2014 07:43 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Your idea of hell is absolutely absurd. Just because YOU (and millions of others) don't believe in a heaven and hell does not mean that they don't exist. Let me speak for those that do believe in Jesus and Heaven. You have a choice, you're a grown man. God doesn't FORCE us to believe in Him, we have free will. He also gives us free will to love good and hate evil. You chose not to believe, we chose to believe.

It also says in the Bible that if our message is not received that we are to wipe the dust from our sandals (that's what they wore in the olden days) and Keep ON Trucking, (todays words, but you get my drift).

Thanks, though. I can't believe in a God that would choose to punish good people and "his children". Quote from Mathenis.

You want a God that will let you do what your heart desires without consequences yet you don't or wouldn't want someone to break a law and get away with it here on earth, right? So what makes you think that God being WHO He is would just let you get off free from your sins? Like I said, you have a choice but in the end you will face His justice, like it or not, or whether you believe it or not. Simple concept, really.

Just because you (and millions of others) believe in heaven and hell does not mean they exist...simple concept, really.

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:41 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  I have always found it interesting that the people most disturbed by the idea of a Heaven, a Hell and admission requirements for both are the ones who believe in neither.
Saying that it's not fair that 1 set of people don't get into Heaven is an absurd argument. The way to Heaven in the Christian faith are plainly spelled out. Any and everyone is eligible to follow those sets of guidelines to gain admittance. What would not be 'fair' would be to allow those who DIDNT follow the guidelines to gain admittance.
If you don't believe there is a Hell, then why are you concerned?

Debating something doesn't mean you're concerned...It simply means you're debating.

i.e. You are engaged at chucking pearls to swine when you debate faith to UOM..

(05-09-2014 09:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:41 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  I have always found it interesting that the people most disturbed by the idea of a Heaven, a Hell and admission requirements for both are the ones who believe in neither.
Saying that it's not fair that 1 set of people don't get into Heaven is an absurd argument. The way to Heaven in the Christian faith are plainly spelled out. Any and everyone is eligible to follow those sets of guidelines to gain admittance. What would not be 'fair' would be to allow those who DIDNT follow the guidelines to gain admittance.
If you don't believe there is a Hell, then why are you concerned?

Debating something doesn't mean you're concerned...It simply means you're debating.

i.e. You are engaged at chucking pearls to swine when you debate faith to UOM..

But it does reinforce my point

(05-09-2014 09:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:41 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  I have always found it interesting that the people most disturbed by the idea of a Heaven, a Hell and admission requirements for both are the ones who believe in neither.
Saying that it's not fair that 1 set of people don't get into Heaven is an absurd argument. The way to Heaven in the Christian faith are plainly spelled out. Any and everyone is eligible to follow those sets of guidelines to gain admittance. What would not be 'fair' would be to allow those who DIDNT follow the guidelines to gain admittance.
If you don't believe there is a Hell, then why are you concerned?

Debating something doesn't mean you're concerned...It simply means you're debating.

i.e. You are engaged at chucking pearls to swine when you debate faith to UOM..

Name calling...nice...

Does anybody else see the irony in Brokeback Flamer?

(05-09-2014 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:41 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  I have always found it interesting that the people most disturbed by the idea of a Heaven, a Hell and admission requirements for both are the ones who believe in neither.
Saying that it's not fair that 1 set of people don't get into Heaven is an absurd argument. The way to Heaven in the Christian faith are plainly spelled out. Any and everyone is eligible to follow those sets of guidelines to gain admittance. What would not be 'fair' would be to allow those who DIDNT follow the guidelines to gain admittance.
If you don't believe there is a Hell, then why are you concerned?

Debating something doesn't mean you're concerned...It simply means you're debating.

i.e. You are engaged at chucking pearls to swine when you debate faith to UOM..

Name calling...nice...

Are you a Christian interested in theological enlightment? if not and you're trolling / debating he is wasting his words... Pearls to swine...

(05-09-2014 08:51 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:43 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Your idea of hell is absolutely absurd. Just because YOU (and millions of others) don't believe in a heaven and hell does not mean that they don't exist. Let me speak for those that do believe in Jesus and Heaven. You have a choice, you're a grown man. God doesn't FORCE us to believe in Him, we have free will. He also gives us free will to love good and hate evil. You chose not to believe, we chose to believe.

It also says in the Bible that if our message is not received that we are to wipe the dust from our sandals (that's what they wore in the olden days) and Keep ON Trucking, (todays words, but you get my drift).

Thanks, though. I can't believe in a God that would choose to punish good people and "his children". Quote from Mathenis.

You want a God that will let you do what your heart desires without consequences yet you don't or wouldn't want someone to break a law and get away with it here on earth, right? So what makes you think that God being WHO He is would just let you get off free from your sins? Like I said, you have a choice but in the end you will face His justice, like it or not, or whether you believe it or not. Simple concept, really.

Just because you (and millions of others) believe in heaven and hell does not mean they exist...simple concept, really.

Bingo.

Maybe Christians are wrong and Hindus are right? Maybe reincarnation is what happens when life ends and not heaven/hell?

What proof do they have that Christianity is right and other religions are wrong?

(05-09-2014 11:22 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 08:51 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:43 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Your idea of hell is absolutely absurd. Just because YOU (and millions of others) don't believe in a heaven and hell does not mean that they don't exist. Let me speak for those that do believe in Jesus and Heaven. You have a choice, you're a grown man. God doesn't FORCE us to believe in Him, we have free will. He also gives us free will to love good and hate evil. You chose not to believe, we chose to believe.

It also says in the Bible that if our message is not received that we are to wipe the dust from our sandals (that's what they wore in the olden days) and Keep ON Trucking, (todays words, but you get my drift).

Thanks, though. I can't believe in a God that would choose to punish good people and "his children". Quote from Mathenis.

You want a God that will let you do what your heart desires without consequences yet you don't or wouldn't want someone to break a law and get away with it here on earth, right? So what makes you think that God being WHO He is would just let you get off free from your sins? Like I said, you have a choice but in the end you will face His justice, like it or not, or whether you believe it or not. Simple concept, really.

Just because you (and millions of others) believe in heaven and hell does not mean they exist...simple concept, really.

Bingo.

Maybe Christians are wrong and Hindus are right? Maybe reincarnation is what happens when life ends and not heaven/hell?

What proof do they have that Christianity is right and other religions are wrong?

Like I said Math, there's people here that have tried to inform you of what the Bible says and you've closed your eyes to it. No skin off my back or theirs really as it doesn't really matter anymore. We all will find out. Evvveeeerrryybody.

Christians love to look at death as "the great comeuppance" they never got to enjoy in life...It's like some need to know "oh, you're gonna get yours!"

I'm not enjoying life? Oh wow, thanks for telling me that. If not for you I'd thought my life was going great, it's time to borrow Charlie Browns black cloud.

It's not for Christians to say who is going where. Not even Michael the Archangel was going to judge.


Jude 1:9 NKJV
Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

(05-10-2014 04:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Christians love to look at death as "the great comeuppance" they never got to enjoy in life...It's like some need to know "oh, you're gonna get yours!"

Considering Christians feel that life is a gift from God, I would say Christians not only enjoy life but appreciate it a great deal

Where did I say you didn't enjoy life? It's called reading comprehension...

I said you never got to enjoy some comeuppance...

(05-10-2014 05:10 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 04:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Christians love to look at death as "the great comeuppance" they never got to enjoy in life...It's like some need to know "oh, you're gonna get yours!"

Considering Christians feel that life is a gift from God, I would say Christians not only enjoy life but appreciate it a great deal

Not to mention enjoy taking it from others.

(05-10-2014 05:10 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 04:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Christians love to look at death as "the great comeuppance" they never got to enjoy in life...It's like some need to know "oh, you're gonna get yours!"

Considering Christians feel that life is a gift from God, I would say Christians not only enjoy life but appreciate it a great deal

(05-10-2014 05:14 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 05:10 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 04:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Christians love to look at death as "the great comeuppance" they never got to enjoy in life...It's like some need to know "oh, you're gonna get yours!"

Considering Christians feel that life is a gift from God, I would say Christians not only enjoy life but appreciate it a great deal

Not to mention enjoy taking it from others.

Math, this is the church you're looking for. It's called the New Age religion. Watch it and let me know if that's what you want.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vd9DDH2A5o#t=94

(05-10-2014 05:14 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 05:10 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 04:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Christians love to look at death as "the great comeuppance" they never got to enjoy in life...It's like some need to know "oh, you're gonna get yours!"

Considering Christians feel that life is a gift from God, I would say Christians not only enjoy life but appreciate it a great deal

Not to mention enjoy taking it from others.

Yeah, those Presbyterians are a troublesome lot. And don't get me started on those Methodists, my goodness. And that Amish / Mennonite Civil war has really divided town and country. The child slavery ring of those Wesleyans is absolutely appalling

(05-09-2014 02:50 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  So wait.

You can do anything you want in your life, so long as you say you accept Jesus?

ANSWER http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-Christian.html

Let me pose this. Christians think that everyone who isn't a Christian is doomed to hell, yes?

ANSWER http://www.compellingtruth.org/God-creat...eople.html

Let's look at Buddhists. These people are extremely spiritual. They strive not to hurt any living creature on this earth and are good to all the people they come across.

You say that these incredibly righteous, spiritual, compassionate people are doomed to hell for eternity?

ANSWER http://www.gotquestions.org/salvation-by-works.html

I think you also ask how were people saved before Jesus died for sin?

ANSWER http://www.gotquestions.org/before-Jesus.html

(05-11-2014 09:31 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 02:50 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  So wait.

You can do anything you want in your life, so long as you say you accept Jesus?

ANSWER http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-Christian.html

Let me pose this. Christians think that everyone who isn't a Christian is doomed to hell, yes?

ANSWER http://www.compellingtruth.org/God-creat...eople.html

Let's look at Buddhists. These people are extremely spiritual. They strive not to hurt any living creature on this earth and are good to all the people they come across.

You say that these incredibly righteous, spiritual, compassionate people are doomed to hell for eternity?

ANSWER http://www.gotquestions.org/salvation-by-works.html

I think you also ask how were people saved before Jesus died for sin?

ANSWER http://www.gotquestions.org/before-Jesus.html

So. You were too lazy to actually answer in your own words.

And your little websites didn't even really address the specific questions I asked.

(05-11-2014 10:58 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  And your little websites didn't even really address the specific questions I asked.

Here's some interesting reading mathenis89.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-intellect.html

(05-11-2014 01:06 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 10:58 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  And your little websites didn't even really address the specific questions I asked.

Here's some interesting reading mathenis89.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-intellect.html

You and I have different definitions for the word "interesting".

Are you so incapable of critical thinking that you can't answer in your own words? Or is regurgitating biblical articles the only thought you're capable of?