(04-25-2014 10:56 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 07:30 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 12:53 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 01:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 01:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  It cool JR. Like I said, its just interesting to watch the NCAA ship burn to the waterline.

I just wish someone would open the scuttle cocks and finish her off!

Wonder where the rats will all land after they jump ship...lol

If the NCAA doesn't make it, I think the next governing body would be more closely tied to the conferences. The P5 would be the equivalent of the UN Security Council while everyone else sends a couple of reps. I think you would see enforcement and investigation dwindle significantly within this body.

Bingo! That's the unstated reason the P5 are pursuing the present changes. Obviously the proposals address needs of the athletes. But the full cost of tuition, living expense stipends which include things like travel for the athletes families to the games, and other perks including access to agents all wipes out the vast majority of reasons for NCAA investigations. So the unstated reason for pursuing it is the elimination of a bloodsucking bureaucracy that indulges itself to the tune of 70 million a year.

Illegal substances, felonies, and other crimes are handled by the legal system. With the new rules there would be only 1 issue for enforcement and it should have been the only reason, inappropriate inducements. No property gifts, no cash gifts above the stipend and benefits and tuition, and no pimped sex for recruits. If the new organization can eliminate most of the inappropriate and illegal inducements then it will be doing its job. So when Nevin Shapiro runs a string of hookers to a party boat to recruit for the U he gets nailed instead of having politics bungle the investigation, on purpose.

Yes, well said, JR.

No sex for recruits?!?! What's the world coming to?

(04-26-2014 08:51 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  No sex for recruits?!?! What's the world coming to?

There was an assistant coach in the 70's who shall remain unnamed who told a recruit who asked about loose girls, "Son we gave you a fancy car and put cash in your pockets, if you can't find a woman on your own then maybe we signed the wrong recruit." If more of them stuck to that philosophy recruiting would be a lot more palatable today.

Exactly. While those sorts of shenanigans could make recruiting trips more interesting for recruits, it's not as though these kids lack for "companionship" once they get on campus. We just recently had a little hullabaloo about our point guard having a risqué picture making the rounds on twitter. Turns out the woman was (past tense, post-incident) a nurse at an area school. She was on his lap and it was clear what direction things were headed.

But there was scarcely any shock among the fans, aside from some head shaking about him being dumb enough to be in a situation to allow a picture to be taken that could be making the social media rounds. Given our early exit from the tournament and his less-than-stellar defensive play, the type of reaction it elicited from our fans was mostly surprise that he was able to keep someone in front of him.

(04-27-2014 06:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 08:51 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  No sex for recruits?!?! What's the world coming to?

There was an assistant coach in the 70's who shall remain unnamed who told a recruit who asked about loose girls, "Son we gave you a fancy car and put cash in your pockets, if you can't find a woman on your own then maybe we signed the wrong recruit." If more of them stuck to that philosophy recruiting would be a lot more palatable today.

This x a million

While I believe policing the 'welcoming parties' for recruits is quite doable JR, I'm not sure if you'll ever be able to stop the $100 hand shakes or the loaner car for the summer type inducements.

(04-28-2014 09:16 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Exactly. While those sorts of shenanigans could make recruiting trips more interesting for recruits, it's not as though these kids lack for "companionship" once they get on campus. We just recently had a little hullabaloo about our point guard having a risqué picture making the rounds on twitter. Turns out the woman was (past tense, post-incident) a nurse at an area school. She was on his lap and it was clear what direction things were headed.

But there was scarcely any shock among the fans, aside from some head shaking about him being dumb enough to be in a situation to allow a picture to be taken that could be making the social media rounds. Given our early exit from the tournament and his less-than-stellar defensive play, the type of reaction it elicited from our fans was mostly surprise that he was able to keep someone in front of him.

HA!

(04-29-2014 11:07 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-28-2014 09:16 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Exactly. While those sorts of shenanigans could make recruiting trips more interesting for recruits, it's not as though these kids lack for "companionship" once they get on campus. We just recently had a little hullabaloo about our point guard having a risqué picture making the rounds on twitter. Turns out the woman was (past tense, post-incident) a nurse at an area school. She was on his lap and it was clear what direction things were headed.

But there was scarcely any shock among the fans, aside from some head shaking about him being dumb enough to be in a situation to allow a picture to be taken that could be making the social media rounds. Given our early exit from the tournament and his less-than-stellar defensive play, the type of reaction it elicited from our fans was mostly surprise that he was able to keep someone in front of him.

HA!

Yeah, it was a pretty funny one. And today the news has broken that he's transferring. Poor play plus embarrassing the program on social media may not have been a good combination.

To get back on point which of the following would you prefer?

A. The SEC goes to 16 with Texas and Oklahoma.

B. The SEC goes to 16 with Virginia Tech and N.C. State

C. The SEC goes to 16 with Oklahoma and Kansas

D. The SEC goes to 16 with Virginia Tech and Florida State

E. The SEC goes to 18 with Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia.

F. The SEC goes to 18 with Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Oklahoma State, and Kansas.

G. The SEC goes to 18 with Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Oklahoma, and Kansas State.

H. The SEC goes to 18 with Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Oklahoma and West Virginia.

I. Other (Please list and describe)

Finally state your reasons.

My preference is for either B or G. IMO I just would prefer the SEC to prioritizes eastern additions. If the conference has to accept a few schools from the B12 to make that happen then so be it. Plus, I would prefer that Texas went east since such a move would bolster the ACC football rep. Said boost would indirectly benefit the SEC without the anyone having to actually deal with the folks in Austin.

We have talked about this a lot, JR, and you know my love for flagships. However, above profile should be a single focused commitment and appreciation to be in the conference, so I am having a hard time accepting Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, or Virginia. Also, what I want and what is plausible are different. This is just a gut feeling, but I think the overwhelming PR and local interest success for the SECN is really surprising many people, especially TV folks. DirecTV and Comcast have both taken a shot at artificially creating opposition and wishy-washy assurances about the Network, and the locals are seeing through it and demanding positive action on their part. Is there any way they get this response out of the Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, or even VA/NC love triangle? I don't think so. I also do not see Texas relinquishing their power and authority as the head of the Big 12, and Oklahoma will follow whatever they do.

Again, this is all gut, but I just don't see an ACC Network channel materializing, and I don't think Texas will bail out ESPN by taking their ball and joining the ACC with friends. ESPN knows they can deal the death blow to every other network with skin in the college game by winning the upcoming Big 10 contract. I'm not sure Fox is in a position to overbid on this one. I think Delany's lust for the east coast will result in finally taking Syracuse and Boston College, and he will add another 4 ACC schools to get to 6 total. I would bet on Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, and Georgia Tech.

In such a scenario, I am going with your "I" option, and the SEC helps clean up the dissolution of the ACC as we know it by taking Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, and Virginia Tech. This leaves Miami, Wake Forest, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame. If West Virginia were to stay in the Big 12, then Louisville and Pittsburgh would be excellent additions for them. If I'm Wake Forest, I think I would drop to FCS football and accept the assuredly forthcoming invite from the Big East for all other sports. Miami should strongly consider full independence along with Notre Dame. They would likely have guaranteed games with Notre Dame, BYU, and Florida State, and I think they would easily fill out a schedule with SEC and AAC schools.

Anyway, my long answer to your question is option I) Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, Virginia Tech. I think any and all possible combinations involving those 4 schools would be a positive for the conference.

(05-02-2014 11:10 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  We have talked about this a lot, JR, and you know my love for flagships. However, above profile should be a single focused commitment and appreciation to be in the conference, so I am having a hard time accepting Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, or Virginia. Also, what I want and what is plausible are different. This is just a gut feeling, but I think the overwhelming PR and local interest success for the SECN is really surprising many people, especially TV folks. DirecTV and Comcast have both taken a shot at artificially creating opposition and wishy-washy assurances about the Network, and the locals are seeing through it and demanding positive action on their part. Is there any way they get this response out of the Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, or even VA/NC love triangle? I don't think so. I also do not see Texas relinquishing their power and authority as the head of the Big 12, and Oklahoma will follow whatever they do.

Again, this is all gut, but I just don't see an ACC Network channel materializing, and I don't think Texas will bail out ESPN by taking their ball and joining the ACC with friends. ESPN knows they can deal the death blow to every other network with skin in the college game by winning the upcoming Big 10 contract. I'm not sure Fox is in a position to overbid on this one. I think Delany's lust for the east coast will result in finally taking Syracuse and Boston College, and he will add another 4 ACC schools to get to 6 total. I would bet on Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, and Georgia Tech.

In such a scenario, I am going with your "I" option, and the SEC helps clean up the dissolution of the ACC as we know it by taking Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, and Virginia Tech. This leaves Miami, Wake Forest, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame. If West Virginia were to stay in the Big 12, then Louisville and Pittsburgh would be excellent additions for them. If I'm Wake Forest, I think I would drop to FCS football and accept the assuredly forthcoming invite from the Big East for all other sports. Miami should strongly consider full independence along with Notre Dame. They would likely have guaranteed games with Notre Dame, BYU, and Florida State, and I think they would easily fill out a schedule with SEC and AAC schools.

Anyway, my long answer to your question is option I) Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, Virginia Tech. I think any and all possible combinations involving those 4 schools would be a positive for the conference.

I understand and appreciate your logic. I do think that your scenario carries a good percentage for coming true, just not a majority percentage for becoming reality. But then I don't give any of the scenarios a majority percentage for coming true. I give further realignment within 5 years a 95% chance of happening but how that goes down is anyone's guess.

That said if Texas can't acquire solid conference mates who are peers I think they will move. ESPN does have influence over them should that happen because of the duration of the LHN contract (July 30th, 2031).

Now if Miami, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, and Louisville joined the Big 12 that would IMO make a difference. Then Cincinnati and B.Y.U. make sense to 16. Do you see any other possible pick ups for the SEC in your scenario? I like 18 personally and that would be fine with me, but would there be an option to 20?

Getting to 20 that everyone feels 100% solid about would be tough without picking off a few Big 12 schools. Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, and Virginia Tech seem to be consensus pickups for most SEC folks. Assuming that UVA, UNC, and Duke go to the Big 10, the SEC is still not in terrible shape. In a 20 team conference, Louisville, Georgia Tech, or Pittsburgh would not be awful. Considering the athletic prowess we would be picking up from the 4 consensus schools, I would lean toward Georgia Tech because of their academic prowess and location (locking out other conferences from the Southeast). I would tend to lean toward Pittsburgh for similar academic reasons. Plus, it sure would be fun to see the Big 10 squirm by having an SEC school smack dab in the middle of their new conference footprint. If you are a midwestern kid that wants to stay close to home but wants to compete in sports where the SEC is top notch (namely football, baseball, gymnastics, track and field, and tennis), Pittsburgh would be a great situation.

Louisville would be right at home in the Big 12 with West Virginia, especially if Cincinnati was also picked up. So, if I were to go to 20 schools in the SEC with my previous assumptions intact (except the Big 10 picking off GT and Pitt, of course), it would be:

Florida State
Georgia Tech
Clemson
North Carolina State
Virginia Tech
Pittsburgh

I think that group does the following for the conference:

1) Big academic boost
2) Locks down the Southeast
3) Gives a big claim to the mid-Atlantic with a foothold in Big 10 and Big 12 territory
4) Adds football balance. Half will consistently push for excellence, and half are content just being solid. No full pushovers (like a Wake Forest).
5) Passes the "map" test. I think adding Pittsburgh and Virginia Tech would give the SECN the West Virginia market by default, as well.


However, if my 4 preferred ACC teams are the only ones available to the SEC (assumes the Big 12 and Big 10 picked up the rest except maybe Wake Forest), I prefer to bolster the league with partial members instead of committing slots #19 and #20 to the remaining available. I think scheduling for non-football sports could handle 22 schools, and 4 schools could play half conference football schedules, similar to Notre Dame in the ACC. I think Tulane, Rice, Wake Forest, and either SMU or Navy would be good adds in this situation. If Wake Forest found a home elsewhere, I would not even be opposed to Tulane, Rice, SMU, and Tulsa as partial members to give us more presence in the western part of the South.

(05-02-2014 11:10 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  We have talked about this a lot, JR, and you know my love for flagships. However, above profile should be a single focused commitment and appreciation to be in the conference, so I am having a hard time accepting Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, or Virginia. Also, what I want and what is plausible are different. This is just a gut feeling, but I think the overwhelming PR and local interest success for the SECN is really surprising many people, especially TV folks. DirecTV and Comcast have both taken a shot at artificially creating opposition and wishy-washy assurances about the Network, and the locals are seeing through it and demanding positive action on their part. Is there any way they get this response out of the Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, or even VA/NC love triangle? I don't think so. I also do not see Texas relinquishing their power and authority as the head of the Big 12, and Oklahoma will follow whatever they do.

Again, this is all gut, but I just don't see an ACC Network channel materializing, and I don't think Texas will bail out ESPN by taking their ball and joining the ACC with friends. ESPN knows they can deal the death blow to every other network with skin in the college game by winning the upcoming Big 10 contract. I'm not sure Fox is in a position to overbid on this one. I think Delany's lust for the east coast will result in finally taking Syracuse and Boston College, and he will add another 4 ACC schools to get to 6 total. I would bet on Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, and Georgia Tech.

In such a scenario, I am going with your "I" option, and the SEC helps clean up the dissolution of the ACC as we know it by taking Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, and Virginia Tech. This leaves Miami, Wake Forest, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame. If West Virginia were to stay in the Big 12, then Louisville and Pittsburgh would be excellent additions for them. If I'm Wake Forest, I think I would drop to FCS football and accept the assuredly forthcoming invite from the Big East for all other sports. Miami should strongly consider full independence along with Notre Dame. They would likely have guaranteed games with Notre Dame, BYU, and Florida State, and I think they would easily fill out a schedule with SEC and AAC schools.

Anyway, my long answer to your question is option I) Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, Virginia Tech. I think any and all possible combinations involving those 4 schools would be a positive for the conference.

In the scenario BBB, how in the world does the B12 continue to exist of the B1G and SEC crave up the ACC? You'd end up with two huge fish and two marginal fish.

(05-02-2014 12:31 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 11:10 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  We have talked about this a lot, JR, and you know my love for flagships. However, above profile should be a single focused commitment and appreciation to be in the conference, so I am having a hard time accepting Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, or Virginia. Also, what I want and what is plausible are different. This is just a gut feeling, but I think the overwhelming PR and local interest success for the SECN is really surprising many people, especially TV folks. DirecTV and Comcast have both taken a shot at artificially creating opposition and wishy-washy assurances about the Network, and the locals are seeing through it and demanding positive action on their part. Is there any way they get this response out of the Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, or even VA/NC love triangle? I don't think so. I also do not see Texas relinquishing their power and authority as the head of the Big 12, and Oklahoma will follow whatever they do.

Again, this is all gut, but I just don't see an ACC Network channel materializing, and I don't think Texas will bail out ESPN by taking their ball and joining the ACC with friends. ESPN knows they can deal the death blow to every other network with skin in the college game by winning the upcoming Big 10 contract. I'm not sure Fox is in a position to overbid on this one. I think Delany's lust for the east coast will result in finally taking Syracuse and Boston College, and he will add another 4 ACC schools to get to 6 total. I would bet on Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, and Georgia Tech.

In such a scenario, I am going with your "I" option, and the SEC helps clean up the dissolution of the ACC as we know it by taking Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, and Virginia Tech. This leaves Miami, Wake Forest, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame. If West Virginia were to stay in the Big 12, then Louisville and Pittsburgh would be excellent additions for them. If I'm Wake Forest, I think I would drop to FCS football and accept the assuredly forthcoming invite from the Big East for all other sports. Miami should strongly consider full independence along with Notre Dame. They would likely have guaranteed games with Notre Dame, BYU, and Florida State, and I think they would easily fill out a schedule with SEC and AAC schools.

Anyway, my long answer to your question is option I) Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, Virginia Tech. I think any and all possible combinations involving those 4 schools would be a positive for the conference.

In the scenario BBB, how in the world does the B12 continue to exist of the B1G and SEC crave up the ACC? You'd end up with two huge fish and two marginal fish.

Yes, you would get the Big 10 and SEC as major top dogs, and the PAC and Big 12 would continue to exist as they like it now... small and regional. Of course, the natural progression would be for the PAC to absorb at least 8 of the Big 12 schools over time, which I think they would do now if the PAC did not fully own their product. All of the existing Big 12 except Baylor and West Virginia to the PAC is by far the best package they will ever be able to put together for 20 schools without becoming part of a massive coast to coast conference (league, really).

(05-02-2014 12:31 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 11:10 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  We have talked about this a lot, JR, and you know my love for flagships. However, above profile should be a single focused commitment and appreciation to be in the conference, so I am having a hard time accepting Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, or Virginia. Also, what I want and what is plausible are different. This is just a gut feeling, but I think the overwhelming PR and local interest success for the SECN is really surprising many people, especially TV folks. DirecTV and Comcast have both taken a shot at artificially creating opposition and wishy-washy assurances about the Network, and the locals are seeing through it and demanding positive action on their part. Is there any way they get this response out of the Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, or even VA/NC love triangle? I don't think so. I also do not see Texas relinquishing their power and authority as the head of the Big 12, and Oklahoma will follow whatever they do.

Again, this is all gut, but I just don't see an ACC Network channel materializing, and I don't think Texas will bail out ESPN by taking their ball and joining the ACC with friends. ESPN knows they can deal the death blow to every other network with skin in the college game by winning the upcoming Big 10 contract. I'm not sure Fox is in a position to overbid on this one. I think Delany's lust for the east coast will result in finally taking Syracuse and Boston College, and he will add another 4 ACC schools to get to 6 total. I would bet on Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, and Georgia Tech.

In such a scenario, I am going with your "I" option, and the SEC helps clean up the dissolution of the ACC as we know it by taking Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, and Virginia Tech. This leaves Miami, Wake Forest, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame. If West Virginia were to stay in the Big 12, then Louisville and Pittsburgh would be excellent additions for them. If I'm Wake Forest, I think I would drop to FCS football and accept the assuredly forthcoming invite from the Big East for all other sports. Miami should strongly consider full independence along with Notre Dame. They would likely have guaranteed games with Notre Dame, BYU, and Florida State, and I think they would easily fill out a schedule with SEC and AAC schools.

Anyway, my long answer to your question is option I) Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina State, Virginia Tech. I think any and all possible combinations involving those 4 schools would be a positive for the conference.

In the scenario BBB, how in the world does the B12 continue to exist of the B1G and SEC crave up the ACC? You'd end up with two huge fish and two marginal fish.

If the fish are really hitting Vandiver you don't stay and catch more than you can eat at the moment. You remember the spot and come back when the time is right. Besides, If the Big 10 and SEC move to 20 I look for the PAC to make a move as well. If they don't the Big 12 and PAC will be sitting out there when the Big 10 and SEC decide to move to 24 each.

Also, If Delany is moving to 20 I think he picks up Kansas just to keep the Western schools happy. At 20 here is what I think the Big 10 would want (Sans Notre Dame): North Carolina, Virginia, Syracuse, Boston College, Kansas and Oklahoma. I don't see them going to Georgia Tech as a first option. I don't think they want Duke unless it is a must. They still want Notre Dame and frankly I think they can get them if they land Syracuse, Boston College, North Carolina, Virginia, and Duke. Then Notre Dame gets them to 20 just fine. The SEC could pick up N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Clemson, F.S.U., Georgia Tech, and Pittsburgh and do just fine. If Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Iowa State, and B.Y.U. go to the PAC then I'd say we are right where we want to be. Even then the SEC has better options for further expansion than anyone else. If we ever went to 24 we could pick up Baylor, West Virginia, Louisville, and Miami.

(05-02-2014 12:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If the fish are really hitting Vandiver you don't stay and catch more than you can eat at the moment. You remember the spot and come back when the time is right. Besides, If the Big 10 and SEC move to 20 I look for the PAC to make a move as well. If they don't the Big 12 and PAC will be sitting out there when the Big 10 and SEC decide to move to 24 each.

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I agree JR, which is why I like stopping at 18 and pausing to see which way then wind is blowing. Not jut with the next expansion targets, but also with the fit of the new schools within the conference. In the two times the SEC has expanded, one school was a perfect fit while the other was borderline match.

I think it will take Mizzou about another 10 years before they are fully integrated in the SEC and I don't want the attention being paid towards proper assimilation to be diminished for the sake of expansion.

(05-02-2014 01:35 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 12:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If the fish are really hitting Vandiver you don't stay and catch more than you can eat at the moment. You remember the spot and come back when the time is right. Besides, If the Big 10 and SEC move to 20 I look for the PAC to make a move as well. If they don't the Big 12 and PAC will be sitting out there when the Big 10 and SEC decide to move to 24 each.

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I agree JR, which is why I like stopping at 18 and pausing to see which way then wind is blowing. Not jut with the next expansion targets, but also with the fit of the new schools within the conference. In the two times the SEC has expanded, one school was a perfect fit while the other was borderline match.

I think it will take Mizzou about another 10 years before they are fully integrated in the SEC and I don't want the attention being paid towards proper assimilation to be diminished for the sake of expansion.

That's an excellent point. It is also why I think the SEC and Big 10 have moved so slowly. Of course that luxury may not be ours to utilize if the next set of moves are final. I do prefer moving to 18 with perfect fits, but if the PAC is about to move on the Big 12 then maybe we will need to act a bit faster. For instance would the addition of an Oklahoma or Kansas help solidify Missouri? I would have to think that Arkansas, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt help a bit with Missouri. But, having two more neighbors might be better. Arkansas did not assimilate as perfectly as South Carolina although many would have argued that they were the better fit at first. Having A&M helps the Hogs a great deal and will payoff in the future. Having an Oklahoma school would help them more and Missouri.

Ideally it is preferable to add N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Clemson and Florida State and stop for a while. If the Big 10 grabs 6 ACC schools we won't be able to stop at 4. It takes 12 ACC schools leaving to void their GOR and void the exit fees. If 5 schools are left behind they'll get rich off of everyone's departure. Therefore the SEC would have to take 6 as well to get it done. It is this fact that gives BBB's scenario legitimacy to a point. BBB proposes that 10 ACC schools would be taken and that the Big 12 would take the rest. That is where I disagree in my thinking. Let's say that the Big 10 does land B.C., Syracuse, North Carolina, Virginia, Duke and Notre Dame and the SEC gets the four mentioned above. What incentive does Texas have to grow off of the leftovers and further hamstring their future value by tying themselves to Pitt, Louisville, Georgia Tech and Miami, etc? They know that if the SEC and Big 10 have moved to 18 or more each that even with those schools at their disposal there is no way that they and Oklahoma can keep pace. The PAC knows this too. If the Big 12 passed on those 3 there would be 5 schools left to collect GOR monies and exit fees before joining the AAC. That's not happening. Georgia Tech and Pitt to the SEC adds a new market and two AAU schools and I think that will be what happens in this case and then the ACC may be dissolved and everyone's revenue saved. Miami, Wake and Louisville are out. The problem then becomes can Missouri stay happy without a Kansas or Oklahoma school, or without Iowa State? I think the Tigers are holding out hope for some more nearby neighbors to come on board in the SEC. We'll see.

BTW, it is also why I still believe that the Big 12 goes first and then the ACC. If the PAC moved on 8 of the Big 12 then the ACC falls. But as has been pointed out unless the PAC cuts the networks in on their network that won't happen either.

(05-02-2014 01:35 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 12:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If the fish are really hitting Vandiver you don't stay and catch more than you can eat at the moment. You remember the spot and come back when the time is right. Besides, If the Big 10 and SEC move to 20 I look for the PAC to make a move as well. If they don't the Big 12 and PAC will be sitting out there when the Big 10 and SEC decide to move to 24 each.

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I agree JR, which is why I like stopping at 18 and pausing to see which way then wind is blowing. Not jut with the next expansion targets, but also with the fit of the new schools within the conference. In the two times the SEC has expanded, one school was a perfect fit while the other was borderline match.

I think it will take Mizzou about another 10 years before they are fully integrated in the SEC and I don't want the attention being paid towards proper assimilation to be diminished for the sake of expansion.

That's a good point, Vandiver. There are only three schools that I think would hit the ground running in the SEC with zero cultural or competitive issues. Below is my rough pecking order:

Texas A&M class (fit before they were a sparkle in their mother's eye): Florida State, Clemson, Oklahoma State

South Carolina class (cultural fit, but will need some on the field success to make them feel that they are home): Virginia Tech

Arkansas class (quasi-cultural fit, have other things going outside of football and go along to get along): Miami, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Duke, Wake Forest

Missouri class (hard to get an initial pulse, but fans would be all-in after that first home football game and first home basketball games against Kentucky and Florida, all of which we know the SEC would ensure is a spectacle): North Carolina, North Carolina State, Oklahoma

Stranger Danger: Texas, Notre Dame

Would give one of their limbs: West Virginia, Baylor, TCU, Louisville, Texas Tech, USF, UCF, Cincinnati

Would give their firstborn: ECU

(05-02-2014 02:01 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 01:35 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 12:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If the fish are really hitting Vandiver you don't stay and catch more than you can eat at the moment. You remember the spot and come back when the time is right. Besides, If the Big 10 and SEC move to 20 I look for the PAC to make a move as well. If they don't the Big 12 and PAC will be sitting out there when the Big 10 and SEC decide to move to 24 each.

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I agree JR, which is why I like stopping at 18 and pausing to see which way then wind is blowing. Not jut with the next expansion targets, but also with the fit of the new schools within the conference. In the two times the SEC has expanded, one school was a perfect fit while the other was borderline match.

I think it will take Mizzou about another 10 years before they are fully integrated in the SEC and I don't want the attention being paid towards proper assimilation to be diminished for the sake of expansion.

That's a good point, Vandiver. There are only three schools that I think would hit the ground running in the SEC with zero cultural or competitive issues. Below is my rough pecking order:

Texas A&M class (fit before they were a sparkle in their mother's eye): Florida State, Clemson, Oklahoma State

South Carolina class (cultural fit, but will need some on the field success to make them feel that they are home): Virginia Tech

Arkansas class (quasi-cultural fit, have other things going outside of football and go along to get along): Miami, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Duke, Wake Forest

Missouri class (hard to get an initial pulse, but fans would be all-in after that first home football game and first home basketball games against Kentucky and Florida, all of which we know the SEC would ensure is a spectacle): North Carolina, North Carolina State, Oklahoma

Stranger Danger: Texas, Notre Dame

Would give one of their limbs: West Virginia, Baylor, TCU, Louisville, Texas Tech, USF, UCF, Cincinnati

Would give their firstborn: ECU

Well now BBB, I don't want body parts and if ECU has a kid they better danged well pay for him instead of giving him to us to raise.

I totally agree about Texas and N.D. and would add that North Carolina might just fit that M.O. as well.