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RE: Sun Belt informs EKU it will not expand with FCS team
I feel your pain Liberty.
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Hope you feel it Oct 11!
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RE: Sun Belt informs EKU it will not expand with FCS team
(04-26-2014 03:36 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  I have to laugh at Idaho being considered a "heck of a lot better addition" than Liberty would have been, in football and in all sports. As an FCS program we have Idaho beat in all the categories you care about...tell me, realistically, what business does a school have playing FBS football with a 14.8 million dollar athletic budget and a 14,700 average attendance? We averaged more as an FCS program with TWO absolutely awful Division II opponents at home.

Really quite laughable to think that an Idaho program is better for the SBC than Liberty, and those beliefs bring into question the credibility of ideas on this board.

Those horses have long since left the barn. We have Idaho. They are already FBS. Our first choice is to have an all sports school in the east. As I said in an earlier post, if you were Liberty State or UVA Lynchburg with the investments your school has made and the interest you have shown, you would already be a member of the SBC.

Complaining about Idaho is a waste of time. What they are is a school willing to pay playoff money to offset travel expenses so they can be in an FBS conference, and they were the 12th team needed for a championship game before WKU left. BUT they also happen to be a good school, one of the top 2 in their state, and they have a future ahead of them just like every other school in the conference.

Time to close ranks and reset. The SBC is set to really take off, and I'm very glad to be part of it, and to be associated with all of its members.
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RE: Sun Belt informs EKU it will not expand with FCS team
(04-26-2014 03:36 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  I have to laugh at Idaho being considered a "heck of a lot better addition" than Liberty would have been, in football and in all sports. As an FCS program we have Idaho beat in all the categories you care about...tell me, realistically, what business does a school have playing FBS football with a 14.8 million dollar athletic budget and a 14,700 average attendance? We averaged more as an FCS program with TWO absolutely awful Division II opponents at home.

Really quite laughable to think that an Idaho program is better for the SBC than Liberty, and those beliefs bring into question the credibility of ideas on this board.

Idaho is not the problem for Liberty. Every school that is already FBS has an advantage over Liberty. That could be ULM or UMASS or Eastern Michigan. This isn't about athletic budgets or attendance or endowments. You are just not a member of the FBS club.

No legitimate source has indicated that Liberty is not a candidate for the SBC. These are just rumors, people guessing. If the SBC wants an all sports school, I think it is Liberty. If the SBC wants a 12th school for the CCG only, I think it is UMASS. At least Liberty is in the finals.
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What makes me believe that Liberty will not be the choice is the time passing by. It would seem if Liberty was the choice after JMU said "no thanks" it would have been done by now.

Who knows what will happen but there seems to be a growing realization that Liberty must not have the required 9 yes votes to get an invitation.

Personally I would prefer Liberty be added as a all sports member than UMass as FB only but with each passing day it seems less likely that Liberty will be added.
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(04-26-2014 09:26 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  What makes me believe that Liberty will not be the choice is the time passing by. It would seem if Liberty was the choice after JMU said "no thanks" it would have been done by now.

Who knows what will happen but there seems to be a growing realization that Liberty must not have the required 9 yes votes to get an invitation.

Personally I would prefer Liberty be added as a all sports member than UMass as FB only but with each passing day it seems less likely that Liberty will be added.

I see it as the Sun Belt doing due diligence. They know Liberty will immediately say yes so they have to check with all better options first before they need to make a decision on Liberty.
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Sun Belt informs EKU it will not expand with FCS team
EKU was a team I could really get behind for realignment and I hope the upgrades happen and I hope to see mountaineers vs colonels sometime soon


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RE: Sun Belt informs EKU it will not expand with FCS team
I was replying specifically to the people saying they would rather have Idaho than Liberty, MSU, or even EKU.
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(04-26-2014 11:57 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  I was replying specifically to the people saying they would rather have Idaho than Liberty, MSU, or even EKU.

What you need to understand is that Idaho was instrumental in the Sun Belt offering football as a sports and they had a relationship with some of the other schools that goes back to them being conference mates in the Big West with some of the founding Sun Belt football members! We have not had a relationship with Liberty. EKU has had a relationship with some of the current or former Sun Belt teams and ASU and UALR would like to see Missouri State as members. There are concerns on Liberty fitting in the belt.
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(04-26-2014 11:57 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  I was replying specifically to the people saying they would rather have Idaho than Liberty, MSU, or even EKU.

I would rather have Liberty all sports than Idaho or UMASS as football only members outside the footprint. But my first choice is still to cut ties with Idaho,add NMSU all sports, have a 10/12 conference with a waiver for a championship game.
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RE: Sun Belt informs EKU it will not expand with FCS team
The News & Advance, Liberty beat writer just now.

Quote:by Chris Lang » April 27th, 2014, 9:26 am

I can't confirm if there's a meeting scheduled or not. But I can confirm Liberty is very much still in play, and that the assertion of the EKU president that the SB is looking FBS only at this point is untrue.
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(04-26-2014 03:36 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  I have to laugh at Idaho being considered a "heck of a lot better addition" than Liberty would have been, in football and in all sports. As an FCS program we have Idaho beat in all the categories you care about...tell me, realistically, what business does a school have playing FBS football with a 14.8 million dollar athletic budget and a 14,700 average attendance? We averaged more as an FCS program with TWO absolutely awful Division II opponents at home.

Really quite laughable to think that an Idaho program is better for the SBC than Liberty, and those beliefs bring into question the credibility of ideas on this board.

I personally could care less about what Liberty does academically. The Sun Belt needs a 12th member and Liberty actually wants to be here.

I sure as heck would expect Liberty to be more competitive than flipping UMASS.
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(04-27-2014 09:52 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  The News & Advance, Liberty beat writer just now.

Quote:by Chris Lang » April 27th, 2014, 9:26 am

I can't confirm if there's a meeting scheduled or not. But I can confirm Liberty is very much still in play, and that the assertion of the EKU president that the SB is looking FBS only at this point is untrue.

Why would the EKU president say he was told by the Belt they are looking FBS teams only? He would lose the trust of the students if Liberty did get the invite.
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(04-27-2014 02:02 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 09:52 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  The News & Advance, Liberty beat writer just now.

Quote:by Chris Lang » April 27th, 2014, 9:26 am

I can't confirm if there's a meeting scheduled or not. But I can confirm Liberty is very much still in play, and that the assertion of the EKU president that the SB is looking FBS only at this point is untrue.

Why would the EKU president say he was told by the Belt they are looking FBS teams only? He would lose the trust of the students if Liberty did get the invite.

Exactly. Unless his email was a diversion and we are still on play. I highly doubt that is the case and would still make him look bad.


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(04-25-2014 10:50 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 10:41 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 10:24 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  SBC needs stability. UMass doesn't help there. Benson has a serious WAC fear.

Hope NMSU joins for all sports now. In 2 years, UMass and Idaho need to be headed elsewhere. Missouri st and EKU at that point?

UMASS works perfect, and in many ways is the best choice from purely a football perspective than any choice out there. They are a flagship school, they bring in new states and media markets, they are already FBS, they are making investments in football infrastructure NOW, and they want to join.

As for what happens in two years? Who knows! Any decision should be made by making the best choice of the available options. UMASS is the best choice by far. I prefer to think and assume UMASS and Idaho will be good members that will add value to the conference. They both have to have somewhere to go before they can leave.... And there are signs everywhere that realignment is slowing down. Should UMASS and Idaho flourish in the SBC why change? If either has something else to pursue, I'm sure the process will start over again, but I think we will be set with these teams for another 4-5 years or more. By then, EKU can prove they want to be FBS by putting money where their mouth is as well as MSU, LIBERTY can further distance itself from its past and win some football championships, and JMU can get their head out of their pompous backside and decide to finally evolve. Anything can happen.

JMU is a separate issue. I know we screwed the pooch.

JMU won't ever join the SBC. I think that has been made clear. I hate it, but I'm not in control.

UMass and Idaho aren't the answer, but they're all that's available. Better than liberty and EKU, for now.

Nothing is over until we say it is!

Until the Sun Belt takes Liberty which I am reasonably certain won't happen and the league has 12 football members who play all sports in the conference, the possibility of expansion remains.

There are two MASSIVE issues with the August Revolution in governance that have to be pinned downed (much to the disappointment of the odd folks who were rooting for a split).

The first is how far permissive legislation will extend. We seem to now have agreement and clarity that if a majority of the P5 vote to adopt permissive legislation the G5 leagues will have authority on a conference by conference basis to adopt those same policies without any NCAA action being required. What we don't have clarity on is whether FCS and I-AAA (the old name for non-football leagues) will have that same authority. If they can track along without consent of a full NCAA vote, that change means little for Big East, A10, etc., who want to keep up. If it requires a full division vote, being FCS or I-AAA is swimming in handcuffs with people trying to attach weight to your legs.

The second will be final approval the weighted voting plan. As proposed FBS would have sufficient voting power if united to shape ALL Division I legislation. If this stays unchanged, the FCS and I-AAA become like Republicans in New York in a presidential election, able to vote but not able to influence the outcome.

Getting resolution on what this all looks like in the real world can greatly influence the future of FBS aspirations. If you are Mo State chasing Wichita State in the Valley the game looks vastly different if suddenly Sun Belt, MAC, etc., are walking into the same homes you are recruiting and say a scholarship with us is worth X dollars cash in your hand you can spend any way you like, now call Mo State, Wichita, DePaul, and Gonzaga and ask how much cash their scholarship provides. Things get different if JMU hopes that hoops will position for greener pastures and App and Ohio walk in and offer not just cash, but a four year guaranteed scholarship. If the coach leaves, the next coach can't take your scholie for some kid he knows.
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(04-27-2014 10:28 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(04-26-2014 03:36 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  I have to laugh at Idaho being considered a "heck of a lot better addition" than Liberty would have been, in football and in all sports. As an FCS program we have Idaho beat in all the categories you care about...tell me, realistically, what business does a school have playing FBS football with a 14.8 million dollar athletic budget and a 14,700 average attendance? We averaged more as an FCS program with TWO absolutely awful Division II opponents at home.

Really quite laughable to think that an Idaho program is better for the SBC than Liberty, and those beliefs bring into question the credibility of ideas on this board.

I personally could care less about what Liberty does academically. The Sun Belt needs a 12th member and Liberty actually wants to be here.

I sure as heck would expect Liberty to be more competitive than flipping UMASS.

Why? Liberty had some good seasons under Danny Rocco, but they still have yet to make a single postseason appearance at any level of football. UMass has been to three FCS national championship games. App State and Georgia Southern remember us. So if the move happens, which I hope it does, we do have a bit of history with Sun Belt members to fall back on. A cross-division rivalry with Idaho could be good too. It might as well be UMass who travels out there, since it wouldn't be as big a travel difference to us.
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arkstatefan,what if the stipend applies to football only?Big if-I know but would have less of a "tidal wave" effect on all other Div. 1 schools.Football drives the bus we all know.No specifics have been passed.
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I have no idea whether or not we will be the 12th member. But I can attest to Chris Lang's journalism chops. As a journalist of over 25 years myself before I shifted careers, I feel strong in stating that I have a good feel for his qualifications. And he is not one to speculate ... at all.
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(04-27-2014 03:28 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  I have no idea whether or not we will be the 12th member. But I can attest to Chris Lang's journalism chops. As a journalist of over 25 years myself before I shifted careers, I feel strong in stating that I have a good feel for his qualifications. And he is not one to speculate ... at all.

Can verify. I know him in the friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend fashion, but he's a straight shooter who was the preeminent voice in Big South journalism for years. He has good sources and doesn't run crazy with every cockamamie rumor that gets loaded in the dump truck we call the Internet.
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(04-27-2014 02:55 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  arkstatefan,what if the stipend applies to football only?Big if-I know but would have less of a "tidal wave" effect on all other Div. 1 schools.Football drives the bus we all know.No specifics have been passed.

Too much money and negative PR to not include hoops.
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