(04-26-2014 09:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:36 PM)dfarr Wrote:  In my nursing career I've had several black patients tell me they prefer going to a white doctor than a black doctor.

I currently work for an Indian, dot not feather, surgeon who has Indian patients request him until they realize that he was born in the states and has a thick southern accent.

My uncle had a black partner in his practice and they started getting lots of referrals from black docs once he was hired.

Racial privilege goes across all races.

and do you really think there are as many black docs as white docs????

And do you really think there are as many black patients as white patients?

(04-26-2014 09:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:04 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

Quote:•One time I was pulled over doing 86 in a 70 zone in Bakersfield coming back from a camping trip. Despite the fact that there were open alcohol containers, drugs, and drug paraphernalia in the car, the car was not searched and I was not arrested. Later, I was able to successfully talk the white judge down on the speeding ticket.

Ok I call bull****... The hallmark of a terrible liar is they go too far..

Do I believe DWB exists? yes, it is an issue which needs to be handled with accountability.

Do I believe a white 20 something will get pulled over for going 20 over the speed limit with open containers and drugs would not get arrested... Not a chance in hell..

Yeah. I can believe 86 in a 70, but I've seen a lot of people get away with that. But all that ****, which could result felonies in themselves? Hell no.

Having lived in California for 21 years I can say the speeding thing is nothing - doing 90 in a 65MPH zone might not get a cop's attention. Same thing for the drug paraphernalia. But the open booze containers would be extremely painful for everyone in the car.

He did not say just drug paraphernalia, he said *DURGS* and drug paraphernalia along with the open containers... It's pure 100% bull****..

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

That could be considered racist.

(04-26-2014 09:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

That could be considered racist.

come on and tell me a black guy at an all white golf club would be comfortable?

Any black person who has lived in a setting that is at least 85% white for a year has at least one story of a race-related comment that made them uncomfortable.

(04-26-2014 09:43 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:36 PM)dfarr Wrote:  In my nursing career I've had several black patients tell me they prefer going to a white doctor than a black doctor.

I currently work for an Indian, dot not feather, surgeon who has Indian patients request him until they realize that he was born in the states and has a thick southern accent.

My uncle had a black partner in his practice and they started getting lots of referrals from black docs once he was hired.

Racial privilege goes across all races.

and do you really think there are as many black docs as white docs????

And do you really think there are as many black patients as white patients?

lmao

(04-26-2014 09:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and do you really think there are as many black docs as white docs????

At best, I would hope that the ratio would mirror the population diversity of this country, but many industries are woefully under-represented by certain ethnic groups.......engineers, professional athletes, etc. In my role, I interview chemical engineers for field-based career opportunities. While women are increasingly getting the educational credentials to work in my field, minorities are not......even as we seek out alternate channels to entice such candidates.

(04-26-2014 09:50 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and do you really think there are as many black docs as white docs????

At best, I would hope that the ratio would mirror the population diversity of this country, but many industries are woefully under-represented by certain ethnic groups.......engineers, professional athletes, etc. In my role, I interview chemical engineers for field-based career opportunities. While women are increasingly getting the educational credentials to work in my field, minorities are not......even as we seek out alternate channels to entice such candidates.

Why would you "seek out alternate channels to entice such candidates" instead of seeking the best candidate?

(04-26-2014 09:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:36 PM)dfarr Wrote:  In my nursing career I've had several black patients tell me they prefer going to a white doctor than a black doctor.

I currently work for an Indian, dot not feather, surgeon who has Indian patients request him until they realize that he was born in the states and has a thick southern accent.

My uncle had a black partner in his practice and they started getting lots of referrals from black docs once he was hired.

Racial privilege goes across all races.

and do you really think there are as many black docs as white docs????

First let's establish that *per capita* is more important than "how many"...

Now in 1990

White: National Population 80%, MD Population 81%
Black: National Population 12%, MD Population 3.5%%
Hispanic: National Population 9%, MD Population 5%
Asian: National Population 3%, MD Population 11%

** CLEARLY ** the problem in the Medical field is "Yellow Privilege"....

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think it comes down to three key issues

1. ability to network

2. ability to receive the benefit of a doubt

3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

yes it is a two way street that goes both ways, however one direction is clearly better.

1 and 3 are largely based in insecurity. The insecurities didn't exactly come from nowhere, but they ultimately lie within the individual.

For number 3, I know first hand that it's almost completely within the individual.

Because that is what I am told and paid to do. In 11 years at this position, it has yielded zero fruit................


An ultimately, the best candidates are also the ones that interview and come from the mainstream sources.

(04-26-2014 09:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

That could be considered racist.

come on and tell me a black guy at an all white golf club would be comfortable?

Any black person who has lived in a setting that is at least 85% white for a year has at least one story of a race-related comment that made them uncomfortable.

And one white guy living in an area that was 85% black would not here a race related comment?

De'Nile ain't just a river in Egypt... (Is that racist?)

(04-26-2014 09:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

That could be considered racist.

come on and tell me a black guy at an all white golf club would be comfortable?

Any black person who has lived in a setting that is at least 85% white for a year has at least one story of a race-related comment that made them uncomfortable.

He'd be about as uncomfortable as a white guy in the NBA or a defensive back in the NFL, wouldn't ya say?

(04-26-2014 09:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

That could be considered racist.

come on and tell me a black guy at an all white golf club would be comfortable?

Any black person who has lived in a setting that is at least 85% white for a year has at least one story of a race-related comment that made them uncomfortable.

Well yeah, but should we be?

I went to a NASCAR race with the old lady a year and some change ago. Given the perception of NASCAR fans and the fact that I hadn't seen one black person, who didn't work there, for much of the day, hell yeah I was uncomfortable. Then you begin to realize that race is the last thing on anyone's mind.

I also grew up in Canada. Not just Canada, but French Canada, not just French Canada, but the place that Cajuns came from. Super white, hockey loving, puts our rednecks to shame territory. I was the only black person many times.

Now, I admit, there is some trepidation for me and other sometimes. My mom dropped chem at ECU because she was the only black person in the class. My cousin changed his major because there were only white kids in animal science. I even know people who've decided not to buy houses in neighborhoods where they would be heavily outweighed. That's really on them though.

(04-26-2014 10:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

That could be considered racist.

come on and tell me a black guy at an all white golf club would be comfortable?

Any black person who has lived in a setting that is at least 85% white for a year has at least one story of a race-related comment that made them uncomfortable.

He'd be about as uncomfortable as a white guy in the NBA or a defensive back in the NFL, wouldn't ya say?

Maybe not. The ownership, front office, a good deal of the coaching staff, and most of the attending fans will be white. Also, team-based athletes are usually used to being mixed in from a young age.

(04-26-2014 10:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

That could be considered racist.

come on and tell me a black guy at an all white golf club would be comfortable?

Any black person who has lived in a setting that is at least 85% white for a year has at least one story of a race-related comment that made them uncomfortable.

Well yeah, but should we be?

I went to a NASCAR race with the old lady a year and some change ago. Given the perception of NASCAR fans and the fact that I hadn't seen one black person, who didn't work there, for much of the day, hell yeah I was uncomfortable. Then you begin to realize that race is the last thing on anyone's mind.

I also grew up in Canada. Not just Canada, but French Canada, not just French Canada, but the place that Cajuns came from. Super white, hockey loving, puts our rednecks to shame territory. I was the only black person many times.

Now, I admit, there is some trepidation for me and other sometimes. My mom dropped chem at ECU because she was the only black person in the class. My cousin changed his major because there were only white kids in animal science. I even know people who've decided not to buy houses in neighborhoods where they would be heavily outweighed. That's really on them though.

For 2 years I lived in El Paso which is 85% Mexican. I'm now in Las Cruces contemplating moving back to El Paso. The Mexican people in that city are great. But I will say this, my kid was picked on in school for being a gringo, but that's probably because the girls liked him and that's how the rejected kids fought back. But even my son wants to go back.

(04-26-2014 09:59 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

That could be considered racist.

come on and tell me a black guy at an all white golf club would be comfortable?

Any black person who has lived in a setting that is at least 85% white for a year has at least one story of a race-related comment that made them uncomfortable.

And one white guy living in an area that was 85% black would not here a race related comment?

De'Nile ain't just a river in Egypt... (Is that racist?)

i guess you missed the whole "it's a two way street" comment I made

(04-26-2014 10:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:59 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

That could be considered racist.

come on and tell me a black guy at an all white golf club would be comfortable?

Any black person who has lived in a setting that is at least 85% white for a year has at least one story of a race-related comment that made them uncomfortable.

And one white guy living in an area that was 85% black would not here a race related comment?

De'Nile ain't just a river in Egypt... (Is that racist?)

i guess you missed the whole "it's a two way street" comment I made

John, exactly what is a racially related comment? What?

(04-26-2014 09:55 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 09:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think it comes down to three key issues

1. ability to network

2. ability to receive the benefit of a doubt

3. ability to feel comfortable in a specific setting

yes it is a two way street that goes both ways, however one direction is clearly better.

1 and 3 are largely based in insecurity. The insecurities didn't exactly come from nowhere, but they ultimately lie within the individual.

For number 3, I know first hand that it's almost completely within the individual.

insecurities is a big part of it. But lets be frank here......

should black people in white settings really have to deal with the "you are the whitest black person I know" sort of comments????

as for #1 it is half institutional/half insecurities.

if a black guy has trouble making friends with white guys because he is uncomfortable ==> that is his fault. however if he has trouble making friends with white guys because it takes them awhile to open up to him as true friends ==> that is not his fault. ==> but most importantly.

from an early age I got to meet my dads business partners. Even today they are always helping me and have done a lot for me over the years. This is the networking advantage I am talking about, nowhere near as many blacks grow up in that setting as whites.

This thread has just become everybody beating up on John.

(04-26-2014 10:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This thread has just become everybody beating up on John.

He chooses to get whipped in every thread. But he's to damn dumb to know how battered he gets. Thinks bleeding is victory.