(04-10-2014 10:11 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:42 PM)Savacool Wrote:  My school Tulane is the worst with our coach Conroy from the Citadel. East Carolina is not good. Can we fire our coach please the new Tulane president?

This is the average RPI of the senior class that just graduated the last 4 years.

AAC
27 Memphis
31 UConn
37 Cincy
66 Temple
99 Tulsa
110 UCF
141 ECU
148 USF
174 SMU
197 Houston
220 Tulane


Tulane is a different level of suck.

You picked an interesting metric there. We're not the bottom team in the league based on last year's RPI (although we are bad).

As bad as we were this year, we did beat you this year, at your place -- which I keep hearing is such a huge home court advantage.

What's really interesting is that an ECU fan would do this. Note SMU's "RPI" ... yet SMU is actually doing something and is trending positive. I mean so positively they may be a top 15 ranked team and may win the AAC next season. Note also Houston's "RPI." Houston is actually doing something in the hire of a proven coach like Sampson. ECU? They recently re-upped the coach that got them that 145 average ... and a 240ish RPI this last season. Why? Because, apparently their satisfied with this. Interesting indeed.

(04-10-2014 08:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:42 PM)Savacool Wrote:  My school Tulane is the worst with our coach Conroy from the Citadel. East Carolina is not good. Can we fire our coach please the new Tulane president?

This is the average RPI of the senior class that just graduated the last 4 years.

AAC
27 Memphis
31 UConn
37 Cincy
66 Temple
99 Tulsa
110 UCF
141 ECU
148 USF
174 SMU
197 Houston
220 Tulane


Tulane is a different level of suck.

Which means, if those RPI's are true for 2014*2015 season, the AAC is a two bid conference next year.

(04-10-2014 10:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:42 PM)Savacool Wrote:  My school Tulane is the worst with our coach Conroy from the Citadel. East Carolina is not good. Can we fire our coach please the new Tulane president?

This is the average RPI of the senior class that just graduated the last 4 years.

AAC
27 Memphis
31 UConn
37 Cincy
66 Temple
99 Tulsa
110 UCF
141 ECU
148 USF
174 SMU
197 Houston
220 Tulane


Tulane is a different level of suck.

Which means, if those RPI's are true for 2014*2015 season, the AAC is a two bid conference next year.

I think it can be offset by smart OOC scheduling. That is at least what UConn is doing.

I like how RPI means so much sometimes but when it doesn't jive with the status quo its a silly measure from ECU fan. Its not a holistic look at a program nor where a particular program is headed, it is what it is. ECU hasn't thrown piles of dough at a coach like SMU but they are trending upward. We've invested in our facilities and shown commitment to the program. Lebo doesn't have the pedigree of Sampson or Brown, but the only time he faced Brown he won. He has ACC cred which I think helps as ECU shares the neighborhood. The guy has been good for ECU hoops and deserves the opportunity to continue building the program on a larger stage.

(04-10-2014 10:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:42 PM)Savacool Wrote:  My school Tulane is the worst with our coach Conroy from the Citadel. East Carolina is not good. Can we fire our coach please the new Tulane president?

This is the average RPI of the senior class that just graduated the last 4 years.

AAC
27 Memphis
31 UConn
37 Cincy
66 Temple
99 Tulsa
110 UCF
141 ECU
148 USF
174 SMU
197 Houston
220 Tulane


Tulane is a different level of suck.

Which means, if those RPI's are true for 2014*2015 season, the AAC is a two bid conference next year.

Please show your work. RPI 31 and RPI 37 are virtually locks considering a good amount of the RPI top 30 are always autobids.

(04-09-2014 09:42 PM)Savacool Wrote:  My school Tulane is the worst with our coach Conroy from the Citadel. East Carolina is not good. Can we fire our coach please the new Tulane president?

Written like a true Harvard graduate... Man, are they proud to have a genius like you as an (claiming to be) alumnus of their institution of higher learning.

(04-10-2014 10:30 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:11 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:42 PM)Savacool Wrote:  My school Tulane is the worst with our coach Conroy from the Citadel. East Carolina is not good. Can we fire our coach please the new Tulane president?

This is the average RPI of the senior class that just graduated the last 4 years.

AAC
27 Memphis
31 UConn
37 Cincy
66 Temple
99 Tulsa
110 UCF
141 ECU
148 USF
174 SMU
197 Houston
220 Tulane


Tulane is a different level of suck.

You picked an interesting metric there. We're not the bottom team in the league based on last year's RPI (although we are bad).

As bad as we were this year, we did beat you this year, at your place -- which I keep hearing is such a huge home court advantage.

What's really interesting is that an ECU fan would do this. Note SMU's "RPI" ... yet SMU is actually doing something and is trending positive. I mean so positively they may be a top 15 ranked team and may win the AAC next season. Note also Houston's "RPI." Houston is actually doing something in the hire of a proven coach like Sampson. ECU? They recently re-upped the coach that got them that 145 average ... and a 240ish RPI this last season. Why? Because, apparently their satisfied with this. Interesting indeed.

Have you actually sat down and did a trend analysis of Lebo's 4 years at ECU?


2011 - 108
2012 - 167
2013 - 67
2014 -223

2011 was Lebo's first season and he inherited a bunch of seniors that weren't very good; Hell those same guys lost conference games by 40 and 50 points just the year before under a previous, but when Lebo arrived they ended up beating Memphis his first year. In 2012 ECU had a whole new crew of guys that were mostly freshmen and transfers. In 2013 those freshmen and transfers won a post season tournament (CIT), which was the first in school history.

In 2014 ECU had transfers, injuries and a guy who just quit out of the clear blue. I guess that people don't understand this point; ECU lost their entire starting front court before the season even began. That was the starting small forward, power forward and center; and then during the season ECU lost their back up center (who was starting) right after the Duke game (which btw ECU almost won). After that last injury it was all down hill the rest of the year for ECU, because they had no more size. IMO, Lebo is a good coach and I understand why the school extended him. If no freak stuff happens in the off season then I think that a lot of AAC fans are going to be surprised at how competitive ECU will be even in tough AAC. Over the last two season even with injuries and defections ECU has played UNC, N.C. State, Memphis and Duke right down to the wire in games; and hopefully with a full roster of guys ECU will finally finish these teams off.

Losing close games doesn't give ECU any cred that it is trending up. When they can make the NIT then they will be trending up

(04-10-2014 11:56 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Losing close games doesn't give ECU any cred that it is trending up. When they can make the NIT then they will be trending up

It helps to have a full roster. If your team has a full roster they are usually better; than when they don't have a full roster. And my point was that the deviation in their trend was due to the same things that would cause any program to have a bad season.

(04-10-2014 10:12 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:10 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  He's an older fan. Cut some slack. And JJ on gotula is 100x worse. Condescending know it alls are way worse than good intentioned senility.

I don't cut old people slack when they drive their car through storefront windows either, by the way.

I don't give older fans/people any slack either.....and I am one.

I suspect that the "older fan" comment was meant to calm a potential firestorm, but it came of as condescending in itself.

(04-10-2014 12:09 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:12 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:10 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  He's an older fan. Cut some slack. And JJ on gotula is 100x worse. Condescending know it alls are way worse than good intentioned senility.

I don't cut old people slack when they drive their car through storefront windows either, by the way.

I don't give older fans/people any slack either.....and I am one.

I suspect that the "older fan" comment was meant to calm a potential firestorm, but it came of as condescending in itself.

It is quite condescending to be true.

(04-10-2014 12:14 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:09 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:12 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:10 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  He's an older fan. Cut some slack. And JJ on gotula is 100x worse. Condescending know it alls are way worse than good intentioned senility.

I don't cut old people slack when they drive their car through storefront windows either, by the way.

I don't give older fans/people any slack either.....and I am one.

I suspect that the "older fan" comment was meant to calm a potential firestorm, but it came of as condescending in itself.

It is quite condescending to be true.

Wow

(04-10-2014 12:22 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:14 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:09 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:12 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:10 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  He's an older fan. Cut some slack. And JJ on gotula is 100x worse. Condescending know it alls are way worse than good intentioned senility.

I don't cut old people slack when they drive their car through storefront windows either, by the way.

I don't give older fans/people any slack either.....and I am one.

I suspect that the "older fan" comment was meant to calm a potential firestorm, but it came of as condescending in itself.

It is quite condescending to be true.

Wow

Agreed.

(04-10-2014 10:30 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  What's really interesting is that an ECU fan would do this.

Why, 4 years or a generation of college students is certainly a highly acceptable time period to look over recent history if not the best That's how many senior classes are judged on their accomplishments of the their 4 years. It's long enough to include a fair look as well as a current class of players that contributed and most likely many of the current coaches.

Quote:Note SMU's "RPI" ... yet SMU is actually doing something and is trending positive. I mean so positively they may be a top 15 ranked team and may win the AAC next season.

Of course, everyone knows this. My point was only to the people completely writting off teams like UCF or ECU after one season as complete trash. It was just last year we finished with a RPI of 67 if you included the postseason. If anything we've been one of the more respectable programs since Lebo has gotten here and improvements have been made.

Quote:Note also Houston's "RPI." Houston is actually doing something in the hire of a proven coach like Sampson. ECU? They recently re-upped the coach that got them that 145 average ... and a 240ish RPI this last season. Why? Because, apparently their satisfied with this. Interesting indeed.

Lebo isn't Sampson, but he's not Ricky Stokes either or some 300 RPI crap like many of you still make ECU basketball out to be.

Lebo Record
(TTU was 9-21 in 1997-1998)
1998–1999 Tennessee Tech 12–15
1999–2000 Tennessee Tech 16–12
2000–2001 Tennessee Tech 20–9
2001–2002 Tennessee Tech 27–7 NIT Quarterfinals

(UTC was 16-14 in 2001-2002)
2002–2003 Chattanooga 21–9
2003–2004 Chattanooga 19–11

(Auburn was 14-14 in 2003-2004 and placed on probation his first 2 years from Cliff Ellis)
2004–2005 Auburn 14–17
2005–2006 Auburn 12–16
2006–2007 Auburn 17–15
2007–2008 Auburn 14–16
2008–2009 Auburn 24–12 NIT QuarterFinals
2009–2010 Auburn 15–17

(ECU was 10-21 in 2009-2010)
2010-2011 East Carolina 18–16
2011-2012 East Carolina 15-16
2012-2013 East Carolina 23–12 CIT Champions
2013-2014 East Carolina 17–17


This season we were horrible and I don't agree with the contract extension at all but I'm not ready to fire him either. The fact is Lebo has taken over crappy job after bad shape and made them at least respectable many times and taken 2 of them places they haven't been before. He owns the all time wins in a season record at both ECU and TTU, and the 2nd most wins in a season ever at Auburn. Certainly not like they were better after they fired him either.

(04-10-2014 08:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:42 PM)Savacool Wrote:  My school Tulane is the worst with our coach Conroy from the Citadel. East Carolina is not good. Can we fire our coach please the new Tulane president?

This is the average RPI of the senior class that just graduated the last 4 years.

AAC
27 Memphis
31 UConn
37 Cincy
66 Temple
99 Tulsa
110 UCF
141 ECU
148 USF
174 SMU
197 Houston
220 Tulane


Tulane is a different level of suck.

Everyone from Cincy on down SUCKS. Yeah, this includes ecwho.

In this fan's opinion, ECU and UCF have the most to gain in basketball by the conference change. Both have large fan bases, strong athletic departments and will now be in a more "highlighted" basketball situation/conference.

We've all got some work to do in our own areas and all of us that came from conferences other than the BE now have better opportunities to improve than we had before.

Top of the AAC should be UConn, SMU, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, Tulsa, Temple...some really good basketball in this conference...coached by guys like Larry Brown, Kevin Ollie, Mick Cronin, Kelvin Sampson, Josh Pastner, Fran Dunphy.

I like this conference...

There are two good coaches Tulane could get. The first is Tim Floyd. He wanted the Tulane job when EC was hired. The president that screwed that up will be gone 7-1-14. He wants to live in New Orleans. He wants to get out of the garbage that CUSA has become. He's there for the taking but our totally incompetent AD is too stupid to pull the trigger. The other is Mike White from La. Tech.. His father was our AD and so his formative years were spent in New Orleans. Yet again our idiot AD is too stupid to go for it.

(04-10-2014 12:33 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:30 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  What's really interesting is that an ECU fan would do this.

Why, 4 years or a generation of college students is certainly a highly acceptable time period to look over recent history if not the best That's how many senior classes are judged on their accomplishments of the their 4 years. It's long enough to include a fair look as well as a current class of players that contributed and most likely many of the current coaches.

Quote:Note SMU's "RPI" ... yet SMU is actually doing something and is trending positive. I mean so positively they may be a top 15 ranked team and may win the AAC next season.

Of course, everyone knows this. My point was only to the people completely writting off teams like UCF or ECU after one season as complete trash. It was just last year we finished with a RPI of 67 if you included the postseason. If anything we've been one of the more respectable programs since Lebo has gotten here and improvements have been made.

Quote:Note also Houston's "RPI." Houston is actually doing something in the hire of a proven coach like Sampson. ECU? They recently re-upped the coach that got them that 145 average ... and a 240ish RPI this last season. Why? Because, apparently their satisfied with this. Interesting indeed.

Lebo isn't Sampson, but he's not Ricky Stokes either or some 300 RPI crap like many of you still make ECU basketball out to be.

Lebo Record
(TTU was 9-21 in 1997-1998)
1998–1999 Tennessee Tech 12–15
1999–2000 Tennessee Tech 16–12
2000–2001 Tennessee Tech 20–9
2001–2002 Tennessee Tech 27–7 NIT Quarterfinals

(UTC was 16-14 in 2001-2002)
2002–2003 Chattanooga 21–9
2003–2004 Chattanooga 19–11

(Auburn was 14-14 in 2003-2004 and placed on probation his first 2 years from Cliff Ellis)
2004–2005 Auburn 14–17
2005–2006 Auburn 12–16
2006–2007 Auburn 17–15
2007–2008 Auburn 14–16
2008–2009 Auburn 24–12 NIT QuarterFinals
2009–2010 Auburn 15–17

(ECU was 10-21 in 2009-2010)
2010-2011 East Carolina 18–16
2011-2012 East Carolina 15-16
2012-2013 East Carolina 23–12 CIT Champions
2013-2014 East Carolina 17–17


This season we were horrible and I don't agree with the contract extension at all but I'm not ready to fire him either. The fact is Lebo has taken over crappy job after bad shape and made them at least respectable many times and taken 2 of them places they haven't been before. He owns the all time wins in a season record at both ECU and TTU, and the 2nd most wins in a season ever at Auburn. Certainly not like they were better after they fired him either.

Wow, that career is the definition of average, how can you argue he is the guy to take you the tourney.....and yes i am aware (but not happy) that Tulane sucks as well. These type of guys must be great during the interview stage.

(04-10-2014 01:12 PM)datwave Wrote:  There are two good coaches Tulane could get. The first is Tim Floyd. He wanted the Tulane job when EC was hired. The president that screwed that up will be gone 7-1-14. He wants to live in New Orleans. He wants to get out of the garbage that CUSA has become. He's there for the taking but our totally incompetent AD is too stupid to pull the trigger. The other is Mike White from La. Tech.. His father was our AD and so his formative years were spent in New Orleans. Yet again our idiot AD is too stupid to go for it.

No way...