(03-06-2014 09:09 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Tom you really need to get over yourself. You say things that are just absolutely not true. If you're gay your gay, I don't care who you do. Don't exactly understand it, but oh well. Tom I hope you copy and paste your replies, because it would save you a lot of time from writing the same ole things over and over.

And Liberty repeats the same things over and over too.

I'll keep bringing up Staver and LU's discriminatory policies until they change or you guys go away.

(03-07-2014 09:34 AM)LUcanesfan Wrote:  Liberty has definitely changed its stance in some areas, not all. Unfortunately, the words from Falwell Sr. is still brought up. And rightfully so, since he was the founder of Liberty. However with Falwell Jr., he is more reserved and laid-back than his dad.

To me, Falwell Jr. appears to be more transparent than his dad. In other words, he is more able to adjust to this day and time and work with all people. It's been already documented that ODU would like to play Liberty more frequently in football (albeit when Liberty makes it to FBS level, but it is still an in-state school that is vouching for Liberty in football). I think people are going to see more schools accepting Liberty under Jr.'s watch. With that being said, I feel more comfortable with Liberty making it to the FBS level under Falwell, Jr. than I ever did with Falwell, Sr.

JFJ just uses Staver to make the statements that his dad once did.

Tom....Yawn.


JMU will be applying to the SBC. They appear now as the front runner. What will happen in the next two months? The clock is ticking on that June 1 deadline. Where is Brent Thiexiboxoxxo? Has he no more info?

Don't cave to the PC crowd Liberty.

Hey C4L...is JMU going to be applying to the Sun Belt?

(03-07-2014 01:55 PM)Dman Wrote:  Don't cave to the PC crowd Liberty.

No caving here sir. We are aware that the minority is always the most vocal.

Although, right now, I'm more concerned with one who CLAIMS to be one of our own.

(03-07-2014 01:57 PM)buryyourduke Wrote:  Hey C4L...is JMU going to be applying to the Sun Belt?

Seriously, I mean did he take a JMU PR job or something?

I love how "PC" has become a term used to immediately dismiss an idea (much like "liberal" has never been the same in the public eye since Michael Dukakis ran for president). I think that even if something is the right thing to do, it's going to be discounted by many if it's embraced by the PC/liberal/entitlement/insert-your-own-insult crowd.

(Sorry, just had to throw in a bit of leftist paranoia to balance out that of the right and ensure that I don't fall out the small but vocal minority.)

Also, as I've stated, if Liberty is invited, I will welcome them to the Belt. I will also try really hard to find a costume like this for our first conference football game...

I was all worried looking at the College Rankings for regional universities in the south (several pages back) and didn't see Georgia Southern, then I noticed that they consider us a National University how cool is that? Also noticed our acceptance rate was 52% and JMU's was in the 60's as were many of the others--So screw their academic elitism.

(03-07-2014 07:57 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  Because you talk tomatoes while all the rest of us talk apples. This is an athletics board. I doubt your points will have any bearing on a vote on Liberty as a SBC member. They will surely discuss LU online, private vs public, foot print, money, etc. But I doubt this comes up in an athletics discussion.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

CLEARLY, conference affiliation is NOT just about athletics.

After all, JMU is "thumbing their noses" at us for academic profile.

Conference affiliation is about like minded universities.

Again, lets get back to Liberty and the SB. Tom will continue his outright lies so why discuss it? So what are the time frames when a decision was made last year in regards to App and Ga. Southern getting an invite?

How was it determined that the MAC is not or never was considering JMU. Looking on the MAC message board, many of their fans want JMU to be invited as the 14th member. I mean, I haven't done much homework, but are there any mentions of JMU to the MAC other than message board rumor? i.e. the way Liberty is mentioned by various media outlets and officials?

Looking at JMU message boards, I see a constant derision and attitude of contempt for the Sun Belt Conference. Why has it been stated as fact that JMU has submitted an application to the Sun Belt? I understand that the Sun Belt is chasing JMU, but is this truly an automatic invite?

I still don't believe Liberty will be invited to the Sun Belt at this time, regardless of the latest statements made. Until I hear an announcement from official authorities, it's just a dream. We have a better chance of the NCAA changing its rules to allow us to move up as an Independent than being invited to the Sun Belt as far as I'm concerned. Don't get me wrong though, I am very hopeful for the invite to come, I'm just not anticipating it.

However, I am more than confident that LU would make a fantastic conference partner for whoever invites them. It's a fantastic place, filled with great folks, lots of spirit, and a will to compete and win at the highest level... and do that with great integrity and sportsmanship. We run a clean program.

(03-07-2014 11:15 PM)army56mike Wrote:  How was it determined that the MAC is not or never was considering JMU. Looking on the MAC message board, many of their fans want JMU to be invited as the 14th member. I mean, I haven't done much homework, but are there any mentions of JMU to the MAC other than message board rumor? i.e. the way Liberty is mentioned by various media outlets and officials?

Looking at JMU message boards, I see a constant derision and attitude of contempt for the Sun Belt Conference. Why has it been stated as fact that JMU has submitted an application to the Sun Belt? I understand that the Sun Belt is chasing JMU, but is this truly an automatic invite?

I still don't believe Liberty will be invited to the Sun Belt at this time, regardless of the latest statements made. Until I hear an announcement from official authorities, it's just a dream. We have a better chance of the NCAA changing its rules to allow us to move up as an Independent than being invited to the Sun Belt as far as I'm concerned. Don't get me wrong though, I am very hopeful for the invite to come, I'm just not anticipating it.

However, I am more than confident that LU would make a fantastic conference partner for whoever invites them. It's a fantastic place, filled with great folks, lots of spirit, and a will to compete and win at the highest level... and do that with great integrity and sportsmanship. We run a clean program.

No applications have been submitted to the SBC. You only apply when you know the invite is coming.

(03-07-2014 11:15 PM)army56mike Wrote:  How was it determined that the MAC is not or never was considering JMU. Looking on the MAC message board, many of their fans want JMU to be invited as the 14th member. I mean, I haven't done much homework, but are there any mentions of JMU to the MAC other than message board rumor? i.e. the way Liberty is mentioned by various media outlets and officials?

Looking at JMU message boards, I see a constant derision and attitude of contempt for the Sun Belt Conference. Why has it been stated as fact that JMU has submitted an application to the Sun Belt? I understand that the Sun Belt is chasing JMU, but is this truly an automatic invite?

I still don't believe Liberty will be invited to the Sun Belt at this time, regardless of the latest statements made. Until I hear an announcement from official authorities, it's just a dream. We have a better chance of the NCAA changing its rules to allow us to move up as an Independent than being invited to the Sun Belt as far as I'm concerned. Don't get me wrong though, I am very hopeful for the invite to come, I'm just not anticipating it.

However, I am more than confident that LU would make a fantastic conference partner for whoever invites them. It's a fantastic place, filled with great folks, lots of spirit, and a will to compete and win at the highest level... and do that with great integrity and sportsmanship. We run a clean program.

The MAC being closed and JMU now wanting in the Sun Belt are based on a Liberty fan saying he knows a guy who knows a guy.

I still think JMU will be in the MAC.

(03-07-2014 11:19 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(03-07-2014 11:15 PM)army56mike Wrote:  How was it determined that the MAC is not or never was considering JMU. Looking on the MAC message board, many of their fans want JMU to be invited as the 14th member. I mean, I haven't done much homework, but are there any mentions of JMU to the MAC other than message board rumor? i.e. the way Liberty is mentioned by various media outlets and officials?

Looking at JMU message boards, I see a constant derision and attitude of contempt for the Sun Belt Conference. Why has it been stated as fact that JMU has submitted an application to the Sun Belt? I understand that the Sun Belt is chasing JMU, but is this truly an automatic invite?

I still don't believe Liberty will be invited to the Sun Belt at this time, regardless of the latest statements made. Until I hear an announcement from official authorities, it's just a dream. We have a better chance of the NCAA changing its rules to allow us to move up as an Independent than being invited to the Sun Belt as far as I'm concerned. Don't get me wrong though, I am very hopeful for the invite to come, I'm just not anticipating it.

However, I am more than confident that LU would make a fantastic conference partner for whoever invites them. It's a fantastic place, filled with great folks, lots of spirit, and a will to compete and win at the highest level... and do that with great integrity and sportsmanship. We run a clean program.

The MAC being closed and JMU now wanting in the Sun Belt are based on a Liberty fan saying he knows a guy who knows a guy.

I still think JMU will be in the MAC.

I don't see why the MAC takes JMU.

1) JMU will likely struggle for a couple of years as they transition. Especially if you start the transition next year, before you get to recruit for FBS.

2) The MAC finished below the Sun Belt last year in the conference rankings (even with NIU being ranked most of the season). There are large financial consequences on the relative rank of a conference between G5.

3) The MAC has 13 teams, 1 more than they need.

I wouldn't take a move up if I were the MAC right now. I don't think JMU actually helps them much (not casting shade on JMU - I don't expect any move up to bring much for 3 years or so). Basketball is meh. Football is okay. Facilities are great. Fan support is good (for the MAC/Sun Belt).

Taking UMass, another good CAA FCS team turned out to be a very bad move for the MAC, at last for the time being. Their program is in disarray. I don't think the MAC can afford another team making a transition like UMass'.

We see JMU as desirable because, for whatever reason, we have decided that we'd like a 12th team. JMU is more desirable that other candidates. Although if Missouri State expresses serious interest, there are many in the Sun Belt that would prefer Missouri State. There are those that think that the Sun Belt might take both Missouri State and JMU if both of them wanted to join.

Tom is right on one thing here. The MAC/CUSA and JMU ship has sailed. JMU and Liberty are the only two SBC options. There is a romantic infatuation with MoState on this board...in this absolute nicest way possible....isn't happening.

(03-08-2014 08:06 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Tom is right on one thing here. The MAC/CUSA and JMU ship has sailed. JMU and Liberty are the only two SBC options. There is a romantic infatuation with MoState on this board...in this absolute nicest way possible....isn't happening.

MAC commissioner said yesterday they aren't done. So, you're wrong.

(03-07-2014 11:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-07-2014 11:19 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(03-07-2014 11:15 PM)army56mike Wrote:  How was it determined that the MAC is not or never was considering JMU. Looking on the MAC message board, many of their fans want JMU to be invited as the 14th member. I mean, I haven't done much homework, but are there any mentions of JMU to the MAC other than message board rumor? i.e. the way Liberty is mentioned by various media outlets and officials?

Looking at JMU message boards, I see a constant derision and attitude of contempt for the Sun Belt Conference. Why has it been stated as fact that JMU has submitted an application to the Sun Belt? I understand that the Sun Belt is chasing JMU, but is this truly an automatic invite?

I still don't believe Liberty will be invited to the Sun Belt at this time, regardless of the latest statements made. Until I hear an announcement from official authorities, it's just a dream. We have a better chance of the NCAA changing its rules to allow us to move up as an Independent than being invited to the Sun Belt as far as I'm concerned. Don't get me wrong though, I am very hopeful for the invite to come, I'm just not anticipating it.

However, I am more than confident that LU would make a fantastic conference partner for whoever invites them. It's a fantastic place, filled with great folks, lots of spirit, and a will to compete and win at the highest level... and do that with great integrity and sportsmanship. We run a clean program.

The MAC being closed and JMU now wanting in the Sun Belt are based on a Liberty fan saying he knows a guy who knows a guy.

I still think JMU will be in the MAC.

I don't see why the MAC takes JMU.

1) JMU will likely struggle for a couple of years as they transition. Especially if you start the transition next year, before you get to recruit for FBS.

2) The MAC finished below the Sun Belt last year in the conference rankings (even with NIU being ranked most of the season). There are large financial consequences on the relative rank of a conference between G5.

3) The MAC has 13 teams, 1 more than they need.

I wouldn't take a move up if I were the MAC right now. I don't think JMU actually helps them much (not casting shade on JMU - I don't expect any move up to bring much for 3 years or so). Basketball is meh. Football is okay. Facilities are great. Fan support is good (for the MAC/Sun Belt).

Taking UMass, another good CAA FCS team turned out to be a very bad move for the MAC, at last for the time being. Their program is in disarray. I don't think the MAC can afford another team making a transition like UMass'.

We see JMU as desirable because, for whatever reason, we have decided that we'd like a 12th team. JMU is more desirable that other candidates. Although if Missouri State expresses serious interest, there are many in the Sun Belt that would prefer Missouri State. There are those that think that the Sun Belt might take both Missouri State and JMU if both of them wanted to join.

JMU would be desirable for the following reasons.
You might want a 12th team so as to have a divisions and a playoff, as per NCAA rules. 12 teams is also the optimum number for NCAA revenue distribution.
Most importantly though, JMU is the best FBS ready FCS school within the geographic footprint needed for a travel partner fo App St.; with excellent football facilities.
JMU has good academics.

When ECU bolted, JMU was a wanted travel partner for ODU. I suspect that is still a priority for ODU, but with the implementation of the GoRs, CUSA decided not to expand in the foreseeable future. I am sure that ODU will continue to promote JMU, but for that to happen, another program would have to leave CUSA first. Even then I doubt that CUSA takes another FCS startup. Additionally CUSA heretofore been leaning toward large TV markets.

I don't see JMU to the MAC, at least for now. First, as you noted, the UMass situation is still up in the air. Umass could leave tomorrow.
Even if the MAC brought in an FCS startup, it would seem to me that it would want a program to help with it's TV contract. A rural Va school in a minimal TV market doesn't do that. (Delaware, would though and would be closer to UMass).

I think that JMU is the best choice for the SBC, and that the SBC is the only choice for JMU.

"MAC commissioner said yesterday they aren't done. So, you're wrong."

Please take their invite if offered. There'll be NO regrets from the Sun Belt fans.

(03-08-2014 02:35 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  "MAC commissioner said yesterday they aren't done. So, you're wrong."

Please take their invite if offered. There'll be NO regrets from the Sun Belt fans.

You might want to request from JMU2004 a source for that. I don't believe that Dr Steinbrecher said anything of the sort yesterday. In fact I don't believe he has addressed expansion either way in quite some time.