(03-06-2014 10:36 PM)DrBox Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 09:56 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  55-53 final score over UAB. 3 straight men's basketball conference championships.

MT has now won conference championships in both men's and women's basketball.

What was the tiebreaker?
Isn't MTSU 1-2 against the other 3 tied teams.
La Tech and Tulsa are 2-1. Then I would have thought Tulsa gets the nod, as they beat the next best team, UTEP.

Anyway, congrats to MTSU and the other 3. UTEP too. The rest of us pretty much blow.

1 La Tech 2-1 (wins h2h with Tulsa)
2 Tulsa 2-1
3 MTSU 1-2 (wins h2h with Southern Miss)
4 Southern Miss 1-2

UAB screws us again, if they had beaten MTSU, Southern Miss would've been the 2 seed.

(03-06-2014 10:36 PM)DrBox Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 09:56 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  55-53 final score over UAB. 3 straight men's basketball conference championships.

MT has now won conference championships in both men's and women's basketball.

What was the tiebreaker?
Isn't MTSU 1-2 against the other 3 tied teams.
La Tech and Tulsa are 2-1. Then I would have thought Tulsa gets the nod, as they beat the next best team, UTEP.

Anyway, congrats to MTSU and the other 3. UTEP too. The rest of us pretty much blow.

1- Tech 2- Tulsa 3- MT 4- USM 5- UTEP

Congrats to the 4 co-Champions.

And especially Congrats to Tech for the 1-seed. You earned it.

(03-06-2014 10:29 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:05 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:04 PM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:01 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  This makes BACK-TO BACK regular season conference championships for LA Tech too. LA Tech won the WAC regular season title last year.

If my calculations are correct, LA Tech will be the #1 seed in the CUSA Tournament.

Does every one of the co-champs get automatic NIT bids in the event they don't win the conference tournament?

No. Only the #1 seed, which I suspect is La Tech.

After doing some research, it looks like that may not be the case.. If one of the top 4 wins the tournament, it gets both auto bids. If a 5 seed or lower wins the tourney, the top 4 team that advances the farthest gets the NIT auto bid.

NIT has never done that before, so unless the rules have changed that would be something new. Last year's by laws read like this...

The regular-season champion of any NCAA Division I conference (as determined by the conference’s tie-break protocol) not otherwise selected to the NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship will secure an automatic qualification to the National Invitation Tournament.

They have also stated publicly in the past that only one team from each conference is eligible to earn the automatic bid. Too tired to go find a link for that. Feel free.

(03-06-2014 10:40 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  Auto or not, someone is going to the NIT because frankly the top half of CUSA is just that good. I got 5 that someone gets in even if Tech wins the tournament.

Any way Tech AND USM get NIT if neither wins the tourney ?

Is it safe to say Tech is guaranteed a postseason game in either the NIT (if we don't win the tournament) or NCAA (if we do)?

(03-06-2014 10:40 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  Auto or not, someone is going to the NIT because frankly the top half of CUSA is just that good. I got 5 that someone gets in even if Tech wins the tournament.

I don't think there is any question about that. People continue to get hung up on the automatic bid.

I think we'll probably get two in the NIT especially if we only get one in the NCAA. I won't be at all surprised if we have the four co-champs all in the postseason (two in the NCAA and two in the NIT).

The sad thing is that regardless of who wins the CUSA regular season championship.... It means nothing, because the conference is now perceived to be so weak, only the tourney champ is NCAA worthy.

Congrats though.

(03-06-2014 10:44 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Is it safe to say Tech is guaranteed a postseason game in either the NIT (if we don't win the tournament) or NCAA (if we do)?

Yep. Congrats!

(03-06-2014 10:42 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:29 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:05 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:04 PM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:01 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  This makes BACK-TO BACK regular season conference championships for LA Tech too. LA Tech won the WAC regular season title last year.

If my calculations are correct, LA Tech will be the #1 seed in the CUSA Tournament.

Does every one of the co-champs get automatic NIT bids in the event they don't win the conference tournament?

No. Only the #1 seed, which I suspect is La Tech.

After doing some research, it looks like that may not be the case.. If one of the top 4 wins the tournament, it gets both auto bids. If a 5 seed or lower wins the tourney, the top 4 team that advances the farthest gets the NIT auto bid.

NIT has never done that before, so unless the rules have changed that would be something new. Last year's by laws read like this...

The regular-season champion of any NCAA Division I conference (as determined by the conference’s tie-break protocol) not otherwise selected to the NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship will secure an automatic qualification to the National Invitation Tournament.

They have also stated publicly in the past that only one team from each conference is eligible to earn the automatic bid. Too tired to go find a link for that. Feel free.

In 2010, Jacksonville got the Atlantic Sun auto bid even though they weren't the #1 seed.

Jacksonville split the Atlantic Sun regular season title with Campbell, Lipscomb and Belmont, but the conference tournament was won by fifth-seeded East Tennessee State. The Dolphins earned the automatic NIT bid by advancing the furthest of the four in the Atlantic Sun tournament even though Lipscomb was the #1 seed in the tournament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Nation...qualifiers

So, the rule must've been changed since 2010.

(03-06-2014 10:45 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:40 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  Auto or not, someone is going to the NIT because frankly the top half of CUSA is just that good. I got 5 that someone gets in even if Tech wins the tournament.

I don't think there is any question about that. People continue to get hung up on the automatic bid.

I think we'll probably get two in the NIT especially if we only get one in the NCAA. I won't be at all surprised if we have the four co-champs all in the postseason (two in the NCAA and two in the NIT).

This!

(03-06-2014 10:46 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  The sad thing is that regardless of who wins the CUSA regular season championship.... It means nothing, because the conference is now perceived to be so weak, only the tourney champ is NCAA worthy.

Congrats though.

don't blame the top 5 for the bottom half being terrible

I hate USM's draw.

Is it just me or does the 1 seed have the toughest draw of the 4.

MT's draw couldn't be better. I love our chances.

(03-06-2014 10:47 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:42 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:29 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:05 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:04 PM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  Does every one of the co-champs get automatic NIT bids in the event they don't win the conference tournament?

No. Only the #1 seed, which I suspect is La Tech.

After doing some research, it looks like that may not be the case.. If one of the top 4 wins the tournament, it gets both auto bids. If a 5 seed or lower wins the tourney, the top 4 team that advances the farthest gets the NIT auto bid.

NIT has never done that before, so unless the rules have changed that would be something new. Last year's by laws read like this...

The regular-season champion of any NCAA Division I conference (as determined by the conference’s tie-break protocol) not otherwise selected to the NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship will secure an automatic qualification to the National Invitation Tournament.

They have also stated publicly in the past that only one team from each conference is eligible to earn the automatic bid. Too tired to go find a link for that. Feel free.

In 2010, Jacksonville got the Atlantic Sun auto bid even though they weren't the #1 seed.

Jacksonville split the Atlantic Sun regular season title with Campbell, Lipscomb and Belmont, but the conference tournament was won by fifth-seeded East Tennessee State. The Dolphins earned the automatic NIT bid by advancing the furthest of the four in the Atlantic Sun tournament even though Lipscomb was the #1 seed in the tournament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Nation...qualifiers

So, the rule must've been changed since 2010.

Not a rule change in the NIT. Remember, the NIT's rule says they will follow the formula the conference uses to determine the automatic bid. The A-Sun uses a different methodology than most other conferences for breaking that tie. The A-Sun's methodology is the regular-season champion who advances furthest in the conference tournament will get the NIT automatic bid.

C-USA uses the mini-conference methodology as has already been posted here on the board in the past week.

Congratulations to our Miners. Who would have thought that after we lost 3, yes 3, guards that we still would have been in the thick of things and wound up a 5 seed. You can't sneeze at a 12-4 conference record. Man, if things had been different I can't see why we couldn't have won the whole shebang with fresh guards. We only had one, amazing.

(03-06-2014 10:59 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Is it just me or does the 1 seed have the toughest draw of the 4.

As a LA Tech fan, I think you are right.

(03-06-2014 10:47 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:45 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:40 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  Auto or not, someone is going to the NIT because frankly the top half of CUSA is just that good. I got 5 that someone gets in even if Tech wins the tournament.

I don't think there is any question about that. People continue to get hung up on the automatic bid.

I think we'll probably get two in the NIT especially if we only get one in the NCAA. I won't be at all surprised if we have the four co-champs all in the postseason (two in the NCAA and two in the NIT).

This!

There is a good reason for that. In 2011, Southern Miss didn't get an NIT bid despite being 19-10 with an RPI of 63. While a 17-14 California with an RPI of 76 got in as an at-large team.

(03-06-2014 10:40 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:36 PM)DrBox Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 09:56 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  55-53 final score over UAB. 3 straight men's basketball conference championships.

MT has now won conference championships in both men's and women's basketball.

What was the tiebreaker?
Isn't MTSU 1-2 against the other 3 tied teams.
La Tech and Tulsa are 2-1. Then I would have thought Tulsa gets the nod, as they beat the next best team, UTEP.

Anyway, congrats to MTSU and the other 3. UTEP too. The rest of us pretty much blow.

1 La Tech 2-1 (wins h2h with Tulsa)
2 Tulsa 2-1
3 MTSU 1-2 (wins h2h with Southern Miss)
4 Southern Miss 1-2

UAB screws us again, if they had beaten MTSU, Southern Miss would've been the 2 seed.

Okay - I thought that MTSU won the league.
La Tech - that makes more sense.

(03-06-2014 11:05 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:47 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:45 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:40 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  Auto or not, someone is going to the NIT because frankly the top half of CUSA is just that good. I got 5 that someone gets in even if Tech wins the tournament.

I don't think there is any question about that. People continue to get hung up on the automatic bid.

I think we'll probably get two in the NIT especially if we only get one in the NCAA. I won't be at all surprised if we have the four co-champs all in the postseason (two in the NCAA and two in the NIT).

This!

There is a good reason for that. In 2011, Southern Miss didn't get an NIT bid despite being 19-10 with an RPI of 63. While a 17-14 California with an RPI of 76 got in as an at-large team.

Meh. I get that. But what we are saying is that USM is a lot better than 19-10 and so is LT, MT, Tulsa and UTEP. This year it is highly unlikely that it will be as necessary.