It would help fill 2 more games for everyone and maybe keep some schools from scheduling crap games like my own school did with Alice Lloyd and another one I can't seem to remember. I think it would also help build some much needed familiarity with the conference. We would have to play 10 schools once and 4 schools twice. For my Herd ideally it would be ODU, Charlotte, WKU, and MTSU. For let's say Rice it would be UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, and La. Tech. I think trying to keep the home and home matches as regional as possible would help build rivalries. But the biggest issue would be getting rid of those crap games, that needs to be a top priority and this would help fix that, imo.

to be fair nobody made Marshall schedule Alice Lloyd and I never heard of that school until y'all played them

(03-03-2014 12:28 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  to be fair nobody made Marshall schedule Alice Lloyd and I never heard of that school until y'all played them

That is my point, Herrion's excuse every year is that we can't get anyone from an above average conference to come to Huntington. Maybe he is telling the truth because they usually lose even if we suck.

However we are not the only school that does this. Almost everyone does, but they shouldn't and this would help.

(03-03-2014 12:12 AM)MU42 Wrote:  It would help fill 2 more games for everyone and maybe keep some schools from scheduling crap games like my own school did with Alice Lloyd and another one I can't seem to remember. I think it would also help build some much needed familiarity with the conference. We would have to play 10 schools once and 4 schools twice. For my Herd ideally it would be ODU, Charlotte, WKU, and MTSU. For let's say Rice it would be UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, and La. Tech. I think trying to keep the home and home matches as regional as possible would help build rivalries. But the biggest issue would be getting rid of those crap games, that needs to be a top priority and this would help fix that, imo.

Your math is a little fuzzy here. You don't play yourself, so there are only 13 schools you worry about. I am all for a 19 game schedule. Divide the league into divisions, then you play every team in the opposite division once(7 games) and every team in your division twice.(12 games) If the conference doesn't want to go to a 19 game schedule, I would be in favor of playing every team once, and then using the finish in last year's standings to group the teams together to help build our top team's RPI's.

(03-03-2014 09:06 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 12:12 AM)MU42 Wrote:  It would help fill 2 more games for everyone and maybe keep some schools from scheduling crap games like my own school did with Alice Lloyd and another one I can't seem to remember. I think it would also help build some much needed familiarity with the conference. We would have to play 10 schools once and 4 schools twice. For my Herd ideally it would be ODU, Charlotte, WKU, and MTSU. For let's say Rice it would be UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, and La. Tech. I think trying to keep the home and home matches as regional as possible would help build rivalries. But the biggest issue would be getting rid of those crap games, that needs to be a top priority and this would help fix that, imo.

Your math is a little fuzzy here. You don't play yourself, so there are only 13 schools you worry about. I am all for a 19 game schedule. Divide the league into divisions, then you play every team in the opposite division once(7 games) and every team in your division twice.(12 games) If the conference doesn't want to go to a 19 game schedule, I would be in favor of playing every team once, and then using the finish in last year's standings to group the teams together to help build our top team's RPI's.

I never liked the division setup. If you have one division significantly stronger the other in a season it skews the final standings to a certain degree. I like having a balanced schedule.

Is C-USA going to have a 2x7 division-format for basketball, same as football?

(03-03-2014 10:47 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Is C-USA going to have a 2x7 division-format for basketball, same as football?

We don't know yet.

Need an 18 game or 19 game schedule -

Either divisions or balanced with 3 permanent (rival/geographical) home and homes and two or three floating home/homes...

Tech - permanent would be USM, RICE and UNT (based on closest proximity) -

The floating home and homes would be manipulated each year based on prior year regular season finish to help inflate conference rpi

(03-03-2014 11:38 AM)DwayneW1 Wrote:  Need an 18 game or 19 game schedule -

Either divisions or balanced with 3 permanent (rival/geographical) home and homes and two or three floating home/homes...

Tech - permanent would be USM, RICE and UNT (based on closest proximity) -

The floating home and homes would be manipulated each year based on prior year regular season finish to help inflate conference rpi

I like this idea.

It helps build some new geographic rivalries and tries to pair teams expected to finish near the top of the conference to maximize top 100 matchups.

Doesn't affect me anymore, but I thought the basketball got a lot more interesting to me once we switched to scheduling based on football divisions. It really strengthened the divisional rivalries IMO. However, it worked better with 12 teams, because everyone played the same number of home and road games. If you tried with with 14 teams, half of the teams would have 10 home games and other half just 9.

(03-03-2014 11:39 AM)Niner National Wrote:  I like this idea.

It helps build some new geographic rivalries and tries to pair teams expected to finish near the top of the conference to maximize top 100 matchups.

14 teams makes it awkward

An argument could be made that if your playing 19 why not 20? to even up the schedule but I personally think that is two games too many - I like 18 games

Charlotte
Florida Atlantic
FIU
Marshall
Old Dominion

Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
Southern Miss
UAB
Western Kentucky

North Texas
Rice
UTEP
UTSA
X

What could be very helpful is a 15th member of C-USA that would fit into a western division with the other 4 Texas-based members. Then the basketball schedule could be: 2 games against the other 4 teams in your division (8 games), plus 1 game against the other 10 teams in the other two divisions. Total of 18 games.

If #15 is a non-football add, then the football divisions could be left as-is. If #15 is an all-sports member, then the above-alignment could be used for football, too, playing each member of your own division once (4 games), and playing 4 or 5 teams combined from the other two divisions on a rotating basis. Total of 8 or 9 games.

(03-03-2014 01:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Charlotte
Florida Atlantic
FIU
Marshall
Old Dominion

Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
Southern Miss
UAB
Western Kentucky

North Texas
Rice
UTEP
UTSA
X

What could be very helpful is a 15th member of C-USA that would fit into a western division with the other 4 Texas-based members. Then the basketball schedule could be: 2 games against the other 4 teams in your division (8 games), plus 1 game against the other 10 teams in the other two divisions. Total of 18 games.

If #15 is a non-football add, then the football divisions could be left as-is. If #15 is an all-sports member, then the above-alignment could be used for football, too, playing each member of your own division once (4 games), and playing 4 or 5 teams combined from the other two divisions on a rotating basis. Total of 8 or 9 games.

No way those divisions get passed.

(03-03-2014 01:19 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 01:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Charlotte
Florida Atlantic
FIU
Marshall
Old Dominion

Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
Southern Miss
UAB
Western Kentucky

North Texas
Rice
UTEP
UTSA
X

No way those divisions get passed.

Why not?

(03-03-2014 12:36 AM)MU42 Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 12:28 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  to be fair nobody made Marshall schedule Alice Lloyd and I never heard of that school until y'all played them

That is my point, Herrion's excuse every year is that we can't get anyone from an above average conference to come to Huntington. Maybe he is telling the truth because they usually lose even if we suck.

However we are not the only school that does this. Almost everyone does, but they shouldn't and this would help.

As bad as some of the RPI's is in this conference, I don't think an 18-game conference schedule is advisable. Just have to schedule a better OOC schedule.

(03-03-2014 01:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Charlotte
Florida Atlantic
FIU
Marshall
Old Dominion

Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
Southern Miss
UAB
Western Kentucky

North Texas
Rice
UTEP
UTSA
X

What could be very helpful is a 15th member of C-USA that would fit into a western division with the other 4 Texas-based members. Then the basketball schedule could be: 2 games against the other 4 teams in your division (8 games), plus 1 game against the other 10 teams in the other two divisions. Total of 18 games.

If #15 is a non-football add, then the football divisions could be left as-is. If #15 is an all-sports member, then the above-alignment could be used for football, too, playing each member of your own division once (4 games), and playing 4 or 5 teams combined from the other two divisions on a rotating basis. Total of 8 or 9 games.

Please just don't!

(03-03-2014 12:36 AM)MU42 Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 12:28 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  to be fair nobody made Marshall schedule Alice Lloyd and I never heard of that school until y'all played them

That is my point, Herrion's excuse every year is that we can't get anyone from an above average conference to come to Huntington. Maybe he is telling the truth because they usually lose even if we suck.

However we are not the only school that does this. Almost everyone does, but they shouldn't and this would help.

Why do they have to come to Huntington? No one said you had to have a home and home. Memphis went to OK State this year with no return game in order to play a top OOC team (or at least they appeared that way earlier in the year).

Hell, you play those teams on the road you get an RPI boost. If nothing else you could get the SEC, AAC, Big 10, MWC middle of the pack to bottom of the pack schools to play you likely in a home and home. Those RPIs will be in the mid 100's, which are better than some of the possibilities.

An 18 conference game schedule will hurt those teams who actually know how to schedule smart OOC, such as S.Miss. They have learned the RPI game.

Now I know its not RPI but I had these handy and theory is the same -

We are penalized by playing Rice twice this year without a higher team to offset their negative effect - and two of the three we lose to the AAC are sub 210 teams and we add WKU who is about 30 pts higher. If we had USM 2x, Rice 2x and UNT 2x along with a 2 or 3 home/homes with UTEP, UAB, Middle, WKU, ODU or UNCC to formulate the 18 or 9 game slate - it would have a POSITIVE impact on our numbers -

The same theory would hold for everyone in the top half of the conference -

It's not the complete answer, but it is a start along with a bump in OOC opponents and the lower teams in the conference WINNING OOC games

Games updated through games of 3/2 -

KenPom Ratings -

46 Louisiana Tech
68 Southern Miss
82 UTEP
84 Middle Tennessee
86 Tulsa - to AAC in 14/15
149 UAB
179 WKU - to CUSA in 14/15
185 Charlotte
197 Old Dominion
207 North Texas
213 East Carolina - to AAC in 14/15
225 Florida Atlantic
232 FIU
237 Marshall
281 Tulane - to AAC in 14/15
312 UTSA
313 Rice (we played 2x in 13/14)

This is a list of teams that said no to BUY games to us this past year - Bama, LSU, Miss St, Arkansas, TCU, SMU, Ole Miss, Georgia, Auburn, A&M...

We did have games at OU, Okie State and St Mary's (last sec after Bama cancelled)

Had St Bonaventure on a neutral court as part of a tourney

Not sure the total amount of games, but you will play everyone in your division twice and a to be determined number of teams from the other twice. could be as high as 22 conference games.