(02-07-2014 07:39 AM)gs_pirate Wrote:  I have said it before, and its not intent to slam on Richmond, but he is not the guy you center a team around , but more of a complimentary 2nd or 3rd weapon.

Richmond has been the model of consistency for a leading scorer. In 23 games he averages 18.3 points on 58% eFG%, higher efficiency than some of the best scorers ever in Jordan, Curry, and Durant in college, and has scored under 13 points just 3 times. Even those were still respectable games of 9, 10 and 12 point.

The two best scorers in college in recent years I can remember Durant and Curry got way more shots per game (18.5/20 shots compared to 13 a game for Richmond) and each had 2 or 3 games under that 13 points as well their last or only year and were much farther off their average. Curry even had a zero point game in 32 minutes where he completely disappeared. The guy has consistently given us effective offense and he would any team, more so with help.

Here we go with stats again. There is one stat that we are interested in, your wins and losses. That's what matters. To even mention Richmond with those two you bring up is blasphemy.

(02-07-2014 09:00 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Here we go with stats again. There is one stat that we are interested in, your wins and losses. That's what matters. To even mention Richmond with those two you bring up is blasphemy.

We wouldn't be 12-11 without Richmond so it's certainly worth noting everytime someone wants to dog him including those of our fanbase. That's a fact and we'd have been blown out last night and several other games we at least were fairly competitive in.

(02-06-2014 10:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 10:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The size is killing us right now, and we really have no answer for that.

yep...you guys have no physicality or speed....just seem to be standing around

No that's just Richmond. He has that me first mentality of the NBA currently.


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(02-07-2014 02:04 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:00 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Washburn held Richmond to 6 points, and who knows how many of those points came with Richmond's eyes open.

Stick with those lies bro. It was 11 and I rewatched them all. Even your UTEP friend gives him credit for more. You should huddle with him.

yeah, yeah... 5 of those points came on fast breaks and the only reason for that was because Richmond wasn't guarding Washburn on the other end. I'll give credit to Richmond, he can shoot, but Washburn shut him down after UTEP switched up it's defense.

I do like Richmond a lot. Really. And congrats to ECU on the win at home.

(02-07-2014 08:17 AM)shyminer Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 07:39 AM)gs_pirate Wrote:  Not sure why all the bashing of Richmond in this thread. Kids a player, and if Tim Floyd were asked, I am sure he would love to have him as a weapon in his lineup as well.

As far as Stith transferring, would not surprise me, and would not really blame him. First and foremost playing for his father would be a pretty big deal. He was his HS coach so there would be a far greater level of comfort there Im sure, and there is no indication of what next yr holds when at least 3 more frontcourt players are introduced into the mix.

Problem with this team is the consistency, and the tendency for players to occasionally "disappear'. IMO opinion last night was Zangari, and White's turn. The last stretch of the game Robinson, PRC, Richmond, Williams were in.
Thats a point where I would have expected White in place of Robinson.

I have said it before, and its not intent to slam on Richmond, but he is not the guy you center a team around , but more of a complimentary 2nd or 3rd weapon.

Probably because of the Washburn bashing...

Who's bashing Richmond? He's an incredible shooter. I don't think any miner fan would argue that we (and) Floyd would love to have him. What miner fans are taking exception to is SJ's assertion that Julian Washburn isn't a good defender and didn't affect Richmond.

(02-07-2014 07:39 AM)gs_pirate Wrote:  Not sure why all the bashing of Richmond in this thread. Kids a player, and if Tim Floyd were asked, I am sure he would love to have him as a weapon in his lineup as well.

As far as Stith transferring, would not surprise me, and would not really blame him. First and foremost playing for his father would be a pretty big deal. He was his HS coach so there would be a far greater level of comfort there Im sure, and there is no indication of what next yr holds when at least 3 more frontcourt players are introduced into the mix.

Problem with this team is the consistency, and the tendency for players to occasionally "disappear'. IMO opinion last night was Zangari, and White's turn. The last stretch of the game Robinson, PRC, Richmond, Williams were in.
Thats a point where I would have expected White in place of Robinson.

I have said it before, and its not intent to slam on Richmond, but he is not the guy you center a team around , but more of a complimentary 2nd or 3rd weapon.

Stith would be stupid to leave. If this year has taught us anything, you never who will actually return next season.

With that said he is probably still recovering.


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Who is bashing Richmond?. We are ribbing SJS for comparing him to two great players.

So um, what's Richmond's PER?

(02-07-2014 09:45 AM)MondoMiner Wrote:  Who's bashing Richmond?

I'm talking to the basketball gumps in our fanbase that want him on the bench or have never respected just how good he is just as much as any other fans.

Quote:He's an incredible scorer. I don't think any miner fan would argue that we (and) Floyd would love to have him.

I fixed it for you. 18+ppg on 13 shots a game average is great regardless of how you get them.

Quote:What miner fans are taking exception to is SJ's assertion that Julian Washburn isn't a good defender and didn't affect Richmond.

Washburn had a few moments when they first put him on him then Richmond adjusted and easily got shots and even made him look silly a couple times in the 2nd half, even the ones he missed were the best looks of the night. Bohannan is the guy you guys should be thanking. He's a great defensive player and protects the rim and anchors your teams defense. Your team gives up more points with Washburn on the court than you even give up on average as a team, and this has been the case all 3 years. That's what I said and that just is the facts.

(02-07-2014 10:34 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Washburn had a few moments when they first put him on him then Richmond easily got shots and even made him look silly a couple times in the 2nd half, even the ones he missed were the best looks of the night. Bohannan is the guy you guys should be thanking. He's a great defensive player and protects the rim and anchors your teams defense. Your team gives up more points with Washburn on the court than you even give up on average as a team, and this has been the case all 3 years. That's what I said and that just is the facts.

Yeah...keep trying to minimize Julian Washburn's defensive impact for the Miners. The dude played 37 minutes last night...three minutes short of a full game 40. He drew the toughest assignment (again!) and did a wonderful job. Richmond is a great shooter/scorer. He's going to "get his". While he scored 20, had Floyd kept CJ Cooper on him all night, he probably would have scored 30 or more. In addition, as a team, UTEP held ECU to 30 points below their season average (76.3). Are you so inept to think that Washburn didn't have a hand in this? Get real, SJ.

I always wondered why the Charlotte posters would get worked up over the things SJ would say, but after years of ignoring his posts I finally see the sheer lunacy of his thought process. To compare Richmond against Jordan, Curry, Durant in anything basketball related is absurd and shows how out of reality he really is. I wonder why I dont see websites , hell even ECU websites, with screaming headlines, stating "Richmond better than Durant!". I am pretty sure ESPN would jump all over that and I can imagine twitter would explode. I have seen some ridiculous things on message boards over the years and that ranks as top 5 easy.

According to this website (http://hoopsnerd.com/?p=154) Vince Hunter is the 7th best freshman in the country. He is allegedly better than Wiggins and better than Gordon, but you never see Sportscenter mention Hunter. I would come off as a total clown spewing that information as factual. Basketball is a game of many intangibles not just stats, plus I value Floyds basketball IQ about a billion times move relevant than SJs so called facts.
Floyd and many others say Washburn is a good defensive player, so nothing else needs to be said, quod erat demonstrandum.

Washburn is a hell of a player and will play in the NBA if his shooting continues to improve. He is much better compared to years past. Richmond probably will play in the NBA, but to be considered even close to Durant level, he would need to learn to play defense, grow about 8 inches and most importantly help his team win, not his stat line. A great player helps his team win games, that is what Washburn does, albeit I am not ready to call him great.

Nicely said GoBlue.

Also, ESPN's Andy Katz has talked about Vince Hunter on his blog, if you haven't seen it, here it is:

Video link


The reason we know Washburn is a great defender is because we have seen him single handedly take players out of a game and eliminate them completely. That's not hype, we've seen him do it since he was a freshman. We have seen with our own eyes, the atheltic plays he's made on defense in the past and we've seen him guard other high scorers and hold them to single digits. Was UTEP able to contain Richmond last night? Not at all, but we didn't have to.

To say Bohannon is the ONLY reason our defense is good is silly. Washburn is plays 36 minutes a game and our opponents are shooting 38%. And yes Bohnnanon plays an important role as well with his height and length. Having both these guys on the floor, combined with our other lanky players is the reason we have one of the best defenses in the conference.

(02-07-2014 10:50 AM)dude_miner Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 10:34 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Washburn had a few moments when they first put him on him then Richmond easily got shots and even made him look silly a couple times in the 2nd half, even the ones he missed were the best looks of the night. Bohannan is the guy you guys should be thanking. He's a great defensive player and protects the rim and anchors your teams defense. Your team gives up more points with Washburn on the court than you even give up on average as a team, and this has been the case all 3 years. That's what I said and that just is the facts.

Yeah...keep trying to minimize Julian Washburn's defensive impact for the Miners. The dude played 37 minutes last night...three minutes short of a full game 40. He drew the toughest assignment (again!) and did a wonderful job. Richmond is a great shooter/scorer. He's going to "get his". While he scored 20, had Floyd kept CJ Cooper on him all night, he probably would have scored 30 or more. In addition, as a team, UTEP held ECU to 30 points below their season average (76.3). Are you so inept to think that Washburn didn't have a hand in this? Get real, SJ.

Washburn has turned into quite a nice player. Very versatile and hit some very big shots last night. I like his game.

(02-07-2014 01:10 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 10:50 AM)dude_miner Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 10:34 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Washburn had a few moments when they first put him on him then Richmond easily got shots and even made him look silly a couple times in the 2nd half, even the ones he missed were the best looks of the night. Bohannan is the guy you guys should be thanking. He's a great defensive player and protects the rim and anchors your teams defense. Your team gives up more points with Washburn on the court than you even give up on average as a team, and this has been the case all 3 years. That's what I said and that just is the facts.

Yeah...keep trying to minimize Julian Washburn's defensive impact for the Miners. The dude played 37 minutes last night...three minutes short of a full game 40. He drew the toughest assignment (again!) and did a wonderful job. Richmond is a great shooter/scorer. He's going to "get his". While he scored 20, had Floyd kept CJ Cooper on him all night, he probably would have scored 30 or more. In addition, as a team, UTEP held ECU to 30 points below their season average (76.3). Are you so inept to think that Washburn didn't have a hand in this? Get real, SJ.

Washburn has turned into quite a nice player. Very versatile and hit some very big shots last night. I like his game.

yes he did....was impressive how many shots you guys made in the under 5 on the shot clock....think you guys only had two sc violations

(02-07-2014 12:10 PM)davenat1986 Wrote:  Nicely said GoBlue.

Also, ESPN's Andy Katz has talked about Vince Hunter on his blog, if you haven't seen it, here it is:

Video link


The reason we know Washburn is a great defender is because we have seen him single handedly take players out of a game and eliminate them completely. That's not hype, we've seen him do it since he was a freshman. We have seen with our own eyes, the atheltic plays he's made on defense in the past and we've seen him guard other high scorers and hold them to single digits. Was UTEP able to contain Richmond last night? Not at all, but we didn't have to.

To say Bohannon is the ONLY reason our defense is good is silly. Washburn is plays 36 minutes a game and our opponents are shooting 38%. And yes Bohnnanon plays an important role as well with his height and length. Having both these guys on the floor, combined with our other lanky players is the reason we have one of the best defenses in the conference.

Didn't you see the stat? It's not just Bo, Lang is a better defender than Washburn too. ROFL

(02-07-2014 02:11 PM)gcp_mineros Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 12:10 PM)davenat1986 Wrote:  Nicely said GoBlue.

Also, ESPN's Andy Katz has talked about Vince Hunter on his blog, if you haven't seen it, here it is:

Video link


The reason we know Washburn is a great defender is because we have seen him single handedly take players out of a game and eliminate them completely. That's not hype, we've seen him do it since he was a freshman. We have seen with our own eyes, the atheltic plays he's made on defense in the past and we've seen him guard other high scorers and hold them to single digits. Was UTEP able to contain Richmond last night? Not at all, but we didn't have to.

To say Bohannon is the ONLY reason our defense is good is silly. Washburn is plays 36 minutes a game and our opponents are shooting 38%. And yes Bohnnanon plays an important role as well with his height and length. Having both these guys on the floor, combined with our other lanky players is the reason we have one of the best defenses in the conference.

Didn't you see the stat? It's not just Bo, Lang is a better defender than Washburn too. ROFL

I'm more concerned with Lang than anyone else relative to our team....he's a beast....he reminds me of the Russian in Rocky-whatever it was

we got dominated last year by the monstrous cretin at nmsu.....he is going to be an issue for us.....even though there is a lack of depth coming from your bench, you guys have players coupled with them being well coached.

(02-07-2014 02:23 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:11 PM)gcp_mineros Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 12:10 PM)davenat1986 Wrote:  Nicely said GoBlue.

Also, ESPN's Andy Katz has talked about Vince Hunter on his blog, if you haven't seen it, here it is:

Video link


The reason we know Washburn is a great defender is because we have seen him single handedly take players out of a game and eliminate them completely. That's not hype, we've seen him do it since he was a freshman. We have seen with our own eyes, the atheltic plays he's made on defense in the past and we've seen him guard other high scorers and hold them to single digits. Was UTEP able to contain Richmond last night? Not at all, but we didn't have to.

To say Bohannon is the ONLY reason our defense is good is silly. Washburn is plays 36 minutes a game and our opponents are shooting 38%. And yes Bohnnanon plays an important role as well with his height and length. Having both these guys on the floor, combined with our other lanky players is the reason we have one of the best defenses in the conference.

Didn't you see the stat? It's not just Bo, Lang is a better defender than Washburn too. ROFL

I'm more concerned with Lang than anyone else relative to our team....he's a beast....he reminds me of the Russian in Rocky-whatever it was

we got dominated last year by the monstrous cretin at nmsu.....he is going to be an issue for us.....even though there is a lack of depth coming from your bench, you guys have players coupled with them being well coached.

Not knocking Lang. He is a humble, utility guy that provides solid effort every game. Just poking fun and somebody's end-all-be-all stat.

(02-07-2014 10:34 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:45 AM)MondoMiner Wrote:  Who's bashing Richmond?

I'm talking to the basketball gumps in our fanbase that want him on the bench or have never respected just how good he is just as much as any other fans.

Quote:He's an incredible scorer. I don't think any miner fan would argue that we (and) Floyd would love to have him.

I fixed it for you. 18+ppg on 13 shots a game average is great regardless of how you get them.

Quote:What miner fans are taking exception to is SJ's assertion that Julian Washburn isn't a good defender and didn't affect Richmond.

Washburn had a few moments when they first put him on him then Richmond adjusted and easily got shots and even made him look silly a couple times in the 2nd half, even the ones he missed were the best looks of the night. Bohannan is the guy you guys should be thanking. He's a great defensive player and protects the rim and anchors your teams defense. Your team gives up more points with Washburn on the court than you even give up on average as a team, and this has been the case all 3 years. That's what I said and that just is the facts.

made him look silly? Your boy couldn't do schit against Washburn last night, that's a fact!