(01-23-2014 04:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 03:57 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 12:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 08:35 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 02:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Here is what happened in the last 5:21 of the game, starting with Shaq's layup that tied it at 62.

5:21 Shaq layup - 2 points
4:46 Shaq 1/2 free throws - 1 point
4:15 Crawford misses wide open 3
4:09 Dixon misses wide open 3
3:12 Shaq misses point blank layup
2:43 Nichols makes short jumper - 2 points
1:59 Shaq makes layup - 2 points
1:00 JJ 2/2 free throws - 2 points
0:54 JJ misses short jumper
0:42 JJ turnover (pass to Shaq inside picked off)
0:35 JJ misses 3 pointer
0:16 Geron jumper - 2 points

The bigs took 5 shots; the guards took 6 shots, and the turnover was on a possession where the aim was to get the ball inside to Shaq. The offense was exactly balanced when the outcome was still in doubt.

Money in the bank that your version is the complete opposite of the facts.

I was there on the 4th row, you were not. I saw first hand that the bigs , especially in crunch time and after their center fouled out, were not getting the ball. Nichols, who only took 6 shots making 4 of them, was taken out at that point and that was just plain stupid. The 4 guards were in the game which led to 6 straight points in the paint. Shoulda never happened. That's what happened and that's why we lost.
Your act is tired.

I guess proof isn't enough for you and you're a little slow.

5:03
Napier blows by Crawford and shoots a highly contested 16 footer over Shaq. Shaq probably doesn't call the screen and is late getting out to guard Napier. Degree of difficulty 9/10.

4:32
Napier blows by Geron and Shaq and makes a layup. Shaq again doesn't call screen and doesn't hedge screen

3:34
Kromah blows by Dixon and makes 6 footer

2:56
Kromah blows by Dixon and Shaq and makes layup

2:11
The guards play good defense, but UConn swings the ball back to Daniels, who makes a wide open 3. Shaq follows the ball and completely loses Daniels. When Daniels catches the ball; Shaq is a full 10' away from him

1:26
Napier hits highly contested 22' shot; degree of difficulty of 9/10

Quote:The 4 guards were in the game which led to 6 straight points in the paint.

There wasn't a single post move by a UConn big. There wasn't a single play where a UConn big even got the ball. The UConn guards abused our guards and our bigs were late rotating AND helping. So Mr. "I was at the game" has completely ZERO clue what actually happened.

Just because I enjoy making fun of you; this is what happened when we went inside in the last 5 minutes.

- Shaq jumper, 2 points
- Shaq 1/2 free throws, 1 point
- Shaq misses layup
- Nichols short hook, 2 points
- Shaq layup, 2 points
- JJ turnover on pass attempt to Shaq. Daniels made a great play to deflect the ball, Shaq was wide open

We got everything we wanted inside and outside in the last 5 minutes. Our offense was 100% balanced and well run. If anything; having 4 guards in the game should have made it easier to defend UConn because they didn't get the ball to their bigs and in theory, it should have been easier to defend on the perimeter with 4 guards. If you break down each possession for each team; we had much easier shots than UConn did. We didn't have a single shot that was tougher than 2 of the shots Napier hit or the drive through traffic that Kromah hit.

Quote:I was there on the 4th row, you were not

In two posts I broke down every single play on offense and defense, after watching the replays multiple times; going to slow mo, and pausing the video, etc. EVERY single thing you've said is 100% wrong and the complete opposite of reality.

Quote:Nichols, who only took 6 shots making 4 of them, was taken out at that point and that was just plain stupid.

Quote:With 4 guards in the game, you can't effectively go inside, which was why Pastners move was so dumb.

The problem is that know nothings are allowed calling Pastner stupid and dumb; but I am not allowed to call a know nothing, stupid or dumb.

I don't know who died and made you God, but you have no idea what you are talking about, which is absolutely par for course with you. You assessments from 3,000 miles away are somehow lost in a time one somewhere.

The 450 Move
1) Make completely ridiculous statements with no foundation in reality
2) When claims are easily refuted, state that he was at the game
3) When claims are easily refuted using facts that are not open to dispute, make sure response is completely lacking in facts
4) Lather, rinse, repeat

You have no facts and your takes make no sense. Again, you think you are the all knowing but you know nothing. Most of the reasonable people here get it. You don't fit in that category and clearly you have no idea what your talking about , as usual. Pastner screwed up in the final 5 minutes of this game. Bad decisions and stubborn moves. Those decisions negatively impacted the outcome of this game.

(01-23-2014 04:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 03:57 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  Maybe I’m not the one being understood

Why would Napier or Karham pass the ball if they could get to the rim at will? UCONN realized the situation and fully took advantage of it. They attacked the rim UNTOUCHED on 3 straight possessions and scored with ease.

What does this have to do with the 4 guard lineup, though? He'd been doing that all game with 2 bigs in.

Why would they even think about going to Daniels for the lowest percentage shot in bball when they were easily getting the second best shot in the game? To do anything else would be stupid on their part.

Again, how did the 4 guard lineup allow Napier and kromah to get to the basket easier than the 3 guard lineup. Remember, Daniels was taking whoever was at the 4 out of the lane.

And it was the 4 guard lineup that made it so easy.

EDIT: Me saying it's Shaq's fault was pure satire.

I'll bite, how did the 4 guard lineup make it easy?

When I played guard I never worried about the one on me because I knew I could get by him. My focus was always on the other defenders in my path. If the other defenders were in their own battles and looking the other way I’d take it to the rim every time. Way too easy and any good guard will do the same thing.

Joe can do it but when he beats his defender late in the game their other big (yep,2) forced him into a bad pass to Shaq. 1 big and Joe scores.

Point is any good guard will take advantage of 1 opposing big down low and usually makes them pay. Can’t play the 4 guard set with only 1 true big when they have good guards. As I said before good guards will make you pay.

We ALWAYS go small. Anyone ever seen us go really big and make teams pay for it? No. Why not try now we have the players to do it?

So he is gonna keep rolling with it even though it isn't working? How does that even make sense. Wilson, Iverson and Kings needs to play more. Dixon, Geron and Crawford need to play less

Just remember.

No other team EVER beats Memphis.

We only lose.

(01-23-2014 05:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 04:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 03:57 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 12:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 08:35 PM)450bench Wrote:  I was there on the 4th row, you were not. I saw first hand that the bigs , especially in crunch time and after their center fouled out, were not getting the ball. Nichols, who only took 6 shots making 4 of them, was taken out at that point and that was just plain stupid. The 4 guards were in the game which led to 6 straight points in the paint. Shoulda never happened. That's what happened and that's why we lost.
Your act is tired.

I guess proof isn't enough for you and you're a little slow.

5:03
Napier blows by Crawford and shoots a highly contested 16 footer over Shaq. Shaq probably doesn't call the screen and is late getting out to guard Napier. Degree of difficulty 9/10.

4:32
Napier blows by Geron and Shaq and makes a layup. Shaq again doesn't call screen and doesn't hedge screen

3:34
Kromah blows by Dixon and makes 6 footer

2:56
Kromah blows by Dixon and Shaq and makes layup

2:11
The guards play good defense, but UConn swings the ball back to Daniels, who makes a wide open 3. Shaq follows the ball and completely loses Daniels. When Daniels catches the ball; Shaq is a full 10' away from him

1:26
Napier hits highly contested 22' shot; degree of difficulty of 9/10

Quote:The 4 guards were in the game which led to 6 straight points in the paint.

There wasn't a single post move by a UConn big. There wasn't a single play where a UConn big even got the ball. The UConn guards abused our guards and our bigs were late rotating AND helping. So Mr. "I was at the game" has completely ZERO clue what actually happened.

Just because I enjoy making fun of you; this is what happened when we went inside in the last 5 minutes.

- Shaq jumper, 2 points
- Shaq 1/2 free throws, 1 point
- Shaq misses layup
- Nichols short hook, 2 points
- Shaq layup, 2 points
- JJ turnover on pass attempt to Shaq. Daniels made a great play to deflect the ball, Shaq was wide open

We got everything we wanted inside and outside in the last 5 minutes. Our offense was 100% balanced and well run. If anything; having 4 guards in the game should have made it easier to defend UConn because they didn't get the ball to their bigs and in theory, it should have been easier to defend on the perimeter with 4 guards. If you break down each possession for each team; we had much easier shots than UConn did. We didn't have a single shot that was tougher than 2 of the shots Napier hit or the drive through traffic that Kromah hit.

Quote:I was there on the 4th row, you were not

In two posts I broke down every single play on offense and defense, after watching the replays multiple times; going to slow mo, and pausing the video, etc. EVERY single thing you've said is 100% wrong and the complete opposite of reality.

Quote:Nichols, who only took 6 shots making 4 of them, was taken out at that point and that was just plain stupid.

Quote:With 4 guards in the game, you can't effectively go inside, which was why Pastners move was so dumb.

The problem is that know nothings are allowed calling Pastner stupid and dumb; but I am not allowed to call a know nothing, stupid or dumb.

I don't know who died and made you God, but you have no idea what you are talking about, which is absolutely par for course with you. You assessments from 3,000 miles away are somehow lost in a time one somewhere.

The 450 Move
1) Make completely ridiculous statements with no foundation in reality
2) When claims are easily refuted, state that he was at the game
3) When claims are easily refuted using facts that are not open to dispute, make sure response is completely lacking in facts
4) Lather, rinse, repeat

You have no facts and your takes make no sense. Again, you think you are the all knowing but you know nothing. Most of the reasonable people here get it. You don't fit in that category and clearly you have no idea what your talking about , as usual. Pastner screwed up in the final 5 minutes of this game. Bad decisions and stubborn moves. Those decisions negatively impacted the outcome of this game.

I use the same tone with you as I would with a child that wants to eat chocolate bars for supper; simple logic backed by facts. The 6 year old has much better odds of being to understand than you do.

The 450 Move
1) Make completely ridiculous statements with no foundation in reality
2) When claims are easily refuted, state that he was at the game
3) When claims are easily refuted using facts that are not open to dispute, make sure response is completely lacking in facts
4) Lather, rinse, repeat

Stammers Wrote:I use the same tone with you as I would with a child that wants to eat chocolate bars for supper; simple logic backed by facts. The 6 year old has much better odds of being to understand than you do.

The 450 Move
1) Make completely ridiculous statements with no foundation in reality
2) When claims are easily refuted, state that he was at the game
3) When claims are easily refuted using facts that are not open to dispute, make sure response is completely lacking in facts
4) Lather, rinse, repeat

No. you are wrong…

450bench Wrote:The 4 guards were in the game which led to 6 straight points in the paint.

Again, he said points in the paint. He did not say points in the paint BY UCONN’s BIGS. But you ASSUMED he was referring to their bigs and continued with this…

Stammers Wrote: There wasn't a single post move by a UConn big. There wasn't a single play where a UConn big even got the ball. The UConn guards abused our guards and our bigs were late rotating AND helping. So Mr. "I was at the game" has completely ZERO clue what actually happened.

…then go on to accuse him of having ZERO clue. I pointed this out to you in a previous reply and you said I had ZERO clue too. Problem is He & I know what you are talking about but you don’t seem to understand what we are talking about. I don’t know why. It’s as simple as A-B-C.

Whatever…(smh)

(01-24-2014 05:18 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

Stammers Wrote:I use the same tone with you as I would with a child that wants to eat chocolate bars for supper; simple logic backed by facts. The 6 year old has much better odds of being to understand than you do.

The 450 Move
1) Make completely ridiculous statements with no foundation in reality
2) When claims are easily refuted, state that he was at the game
3) When claims are easily refuted using facts that are not open to dispute, make sure response is completely lacking in facts
4) Lather, rinse, repeat

No. you are wrong…

450bench Wrote:The 4 guards were in the game which led to 6 straight points in the paint.

Again, he said points in the paint. He did not say points in the paint BY UCONN’s BIGS. But you ASSUMED he was referring to their bigs and continued with this…

Stammers Wrote: There wasn't a single post move by a UConn big. There wasn't a single play where a UConn big even got the ball. The UConn guards abused our guards and our bigs were late rotating AND helping. So Mr. "I was at the game" has completely ZERO clue what actually happened.

…then go on to accuse him of having ZERO clue. I pointed this out to you in a previous reply and you said I had ZERO clue too. Problem is He & I know what you are talking about but you don’t seem to understand what we are talking about. I don’t know why. It’s as simple as A-B-C.

Whatever…(smh)

Napier made a layup; Kromah made a 12' fade away outside the paint and then Kromah made a layup. On Kromah's layup he blew by a guard and layed it in right up against Shaq. Crawford, who was the 4 on the play was playing weak side and had nothing to do with the play. It wouldn't have made a difference if it was Pellom, Nichols, Tarik Black, Mikembe Mutombo, etc.

So your 6 points in the paint are actually 4 points in the paint with possibly 2 of the points being because we had 4 guards in the game. UConn's bigs didn't even touch the ball on the 3 sequences and the 2 plays were defended in the paint by Shaq.

I hate the 4 guard offense as much as the next guy; but it had nothing to do with not getting what we wanted on offense or stopping them on defense. Crawford's man didn't touch the ball on any of the 3 made baskets.

Again; the 6 points in the paint were actually 4 points in the paint and none of them...ZERO had anything to do with Crawford who was playing the 4 at the time. And btw, who cares about points in the paint if the bigs aren't scoring them? We scored more points in the paint than UConn did.

(01-23-2014 06:28 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  When I played guard I never worried about the one on me because I knew I could get by him. My focus was always on the other defenders in my path. If the other defenders were in their own battles and looking the other way I’d take it to the rim every time. Way too easy and any good guard will do the same thing.

Joe can do it but when he beats his defender late in the game their other big (yep,2) forced him into a bad pass to Shaq. 1 big and Joe scores.

Point is any good guard will take advantage of 1 opposing big down low and usually makes them pay. Can’t play the 4 guard set with only 1 true big when they have good guards. As I said before good guards will make you pay.

We ALWAYS go small. Anyone ever seen us go really big and make teams pay for it? No. Why not try now we have the players to do it?

I understand that, but we'd have 1 big under the basket regardless. If Austin was in, he'd be guarding Daniels on the perimeter.

There's a fine difference between "I don't like the 4 guard lineup/going small" and "the 4 guard lineup lost the game for us in this 2 minute stretch". I can agree with the first, but not the second.

(01-24-2014 07:35 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 05:18 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

Stammers Wrote:I use the same tone with you as I would with a child that wants to eat chocolate bars for supper; simple logic backed by facts. The 6 year old has much better odds of being to understand than you do.

The 450 Move
1) Make completely ridiculous statements with no foundation in reality
2) When claims are easily refuted, state that he was at the game
3) When claims are easily refuted using facts that are not open to dispute, make sure response is completely lacking in facts
4) Lather, rinse, repeat

No. you are wrong…

450bench Wrote:The 4 guards were in the game which led to 6 straight points in the paint.

Again, he said points in the paint. He did not say points in the paint BY UCONN’s BIGS. But you ASSUMED he was referring to their bigs and continued with this…

Stammers Wrote: There wasn't a single post move by a UConn big. There wasn't a single play where a UConn big even got the ball. The UConn guards abused our guards and our bigs were late rotating AND helping. So Mr. "I was at the game" has completely ZERO clue what actually happened.

…then go on to accuse him of having ZERO clue. I pointed this out to you in a previous reply and you said I had ZERO clue too. Problem is He & I know what you are talking about but you don’t seem to understand what we are talking about. I don’t know why. It’s as simple as A-B-C.

Whatever…(smh)

Napier made a layup; Kromah made a 12' fade away outside the paint and then Kromah made a layup. On Kromah's layup he blew by a guard and layed it in right up against Shaq. Crawford, who was the 4 on the play was playing weak side and had nothing to do with the play. It wouldn't have made a difference if it was Pellom, Nichols, Tarik Black, Mikembe Mutombo, etc.

So your 6 points in the paint are actually 4 points in the paint with possibly 2 of the points being because we had 4 guards in the game. UConn's bigs didn't even touch the ball on the 3 sequences and the 2 plays were defended in the paint by Shaq.

I hate the 4 guard offense as much as the next guy; but it had nothing to do with not getting what we wanted on offense or stopping them on defense. Crawford's man didn't touch the ball on any of the 3 made baskets.

Again; the 6 points in the paint were actually 4 points in the paint and none of them...ZERO had anything to do with Crawford who was playing the 4 at the time. And btw, who cares about points in the paint if the bigs aren't scoring them? We scored more points in the paint than UConn did.

Go look again, Kromah was in the paint. While you’re at it also notice where Austin was playing when he reentered. He was on Nolan and stayed in the middle of the lane until Napier faked the drive and passed to Daniels for a 3.

You also said: ”who cares about points in the paint if the bigs aren't scoring them?” Josh evidently did because he called a timeout and put another big back in. From then on no UCONN player attempted to go to the rim.

(01-24-2014 08:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 06:28 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  When I played guard I never worried about the one on me because I knew I could get by him. My focus was always on the other defenders in my path. If the other defenders were in their own battles and looking the other way I’d take it to the rim every time. Way too easy and any good guard will do the same thing.

Joe can do it but when he beats his defender late in the game their other big (yep,2) forced him into a bad pass to Shaq. 1 big and Joe scores.

Point is any good guard will take advantage of 1 opposing big down low and usually makes them pay. Can’t play the 4 guard set with only 1 true big when they have good guards. As I said before good guards will make you pay.

We ALWAYS go small. Anyone ever seen us go really big and make teams pay for it? No. Why not try now we have the players to do it?

I understand that, but we'd have 1 big under the basket regardless. If Austin was in, he'd be guarding Daniels on the perimeter.

There's a fine difference between "I don't like the 4 guard lineup/going small" and "the 4 guard lineup lost the game for us in this 2 minute stretch". I can agree with the first, but not the second.

Austin didn’t guard Daniels after Brimah fouled out and he stayed in the lane. Coach must have told him to stay there and stop penetration. Nolan was moving but he was a decoy.

Maybe the 4 guard set didn’t lose the game. But UCONN’s guards scored 3 straight buckets in the paint when we went 4 guards. After another big was inserted they only attempted long jumpers.

BTW, IIRC we didn't play the 4 guard set at all last night.

(01-24-2014 09:24 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 07:35 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 05:18 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

Stammers Wrote:I use the same tone with you as I would with a child that wants to eat chocolate bars for supper; simple logic backed by facts. The 6 year old has much better odds of being to understand than you do.

The 450 Move
1) Make completely ridiculous statements with no foundation in reality
2) When claims are easily refuted, state that he was at the game
3) When claims are easily refuted using facts that are not open to dispute, make sure response is completely lacking in facts
4) Lather, rinse, repeat

No. you are wrong…

450bench Wrote:The 4 guards were in the game which led to 6 straight points in the paint.

Again, he said points in the paint. He did not say points in the paint BY UCONN’s BIGS. But you ASSUMED he was referring to their bigs and continued with this…

Stammers Wrote: There wasn't a single post move by a UConn big. There wasn't a single play where a UConn big even got the ball. The UConn guards abused our guards and our bigs were late rotating AND helping. So Mr. "I was at the game" has completely ZERO clue what actually happened.

…then go on to accuse him of having ZERO clue. I pointed this out to you in a previous reply and you said I had ZERO clue too. Problem is He & I know what you are talking about but you don’t seem to understand what we are talking about. I don’t know why. It’s as simple as A-B-C.

Whatever…(smh)

Napier made a layup; Kromah made a 12' fade away outside the paint and then Kromah made a layup. On Kromah's layup he blew by a guard and layed it in right up against Shaq. Crawford, who was the 4 on the play was playing weak side and had nothing to do with the play. It wouldn't have made a difference if it was Pellom, Nichols, Tarik Black, Mikembe Mutombo, etc.

So your 6 points in the paint are actually 4 points in the paint with possibly 2 of the points being because we had 4 guards in the game. UConn's bigs didn't even touch the ball on the 3 sequences and the 2 plays were defended in the paint by Shaq.

I hate the 4 guard offense as much as the next guy; but it had nothing to do with not getting what we wanted on offense or stopping them on defense. Crawford's man didn't touch the ball on any of the 3 made baskets.

Again; the 6 points in the paint were actually 4 points in the paint and none of them...ZERO had anything to do with Crawford who was playing the 4 at the time. And btw, who cares about points in the paint if the bigs aren't scoring them? We scored more points in the paint than UConn did.

Go look again, Kromah was in the paint. While you’re at it also notice where Austin was playing when he reentered. He was on Nolan and stayed in the middle of the lane until Napier faked the drive and passed to Daniels for a 3.

You also said: ”who cares about points in the paint if the bigs aren't scoring them?” Josh evidently did because he called a timeout and put another big back in. From then on no UCONN player attempted to go to the rim.

Kromah shot over the guard that was on him. He wasn't in the paint and his basket had absolutely nothing to do with having 4 guards in the game. It was a 12' fadeaway.

Quote:Josh evidently did because he called a timeout and put another big back in. From then on no UCONN player attempted to go to the rim.

Right after the substitution, Napier went straight to the rim but was cut off by 2 defenders AND Shaq also followed him down low; which is why Daniels was wide open to hit the 3. Also, AGAIN, Kromah did not go to the rim; he shot a fadeaway while being guarded by a guard.

After that Napier made a jumper late in the shot clock, because our guards did a better job of defending, and then UConn went straight to free throws. Nice try though at making it seem that after the timeout, UConn drastically changed their strategy.

(01-24-2014 09:48 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 08:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 06:28 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  When I played guard I never worried about the one on me because I knew I could get by him. My focus was always on the other defenders in my path. If the other defenders were in their own battles and looking the other way I’d take it to the rim every time. Way too easy and any good guard will do the same thing.

Joe can do it but when he beats his defender late in the game their other big (yep,2) forced him into a bad pass to Shaq. 1 big and Joe scores.

Point is any good guard will take advantage of 1 opposing big down low and usually makes them pay. Can’t play the 4 guard set with only 1 true big when they have good guards. As I said before good guards will make you pay.

We ALWAYS go small. Anyone ever seen us go really big and make teams pay for it? No. Why not try now we have the players to do it?

I understand that, but we'd have 1 big under the basket regardless. If Austin was in, he'd be guarding Daniels on the perimeter.

There's a fine difference between "I don't like the 4 guard lineup/going small" and "the 4 guard lineup lost the game for us in this 2 minute stretch". I can agree with the first, but not the second.

Austin didn’t guard Daniels after Brimah fouled out and he stayed in the lane. Coach must have told him to stay there and stop penetration. Nolan was moving but he was a decoy.

Maybe the 4 guard set didn’t lose the game. But UCONN’s guards scored 3 straight buckets in the paint when we went 4 guards. After another big was inserted they only attempted long jumpers.

BTW, IIRC we didn't play the 4 guard set at all last night.

4 points in the paint, none of them by bigs and none of them affected by having 4 guards in the game.

The 4 guards played 121 minutes against UConn. They played 107 minutes last night. King, Iverson, Woodson, Wilson and Draper played a combined 2 minutes against UConn. They played 29 minutes last night. Last night was also a blowout.

Let me know if you think this had anything to do with playing 4 guards or if it was a coincidence. (rhetorical question).

(01-24-2014 10:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:48 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 08:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 06:28 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  When I played guard I never worried about the one on me because I knew I could get by him. My focus was always on the other defenders in my path. If the other defenders were in their own battles and looking the other way I’d take it to the rim every time. Way too easy and any good guard will do the same thing.

Joe can do it but when he beats his defender late in the game their other big (yep,2) forced him into a bad pass to Shaq. 1 big and Joe scores.

Point is any good guard will take advantage of 1 opposing big down low and usually makes them pay. Can’t play the 4 guard set with only 1 true big when they have good guards. As I said before good guards will make you pay.

We ALWAYS go small. Anyone ever seen us go really big and make teams pay for it? No. Why not try now we have the players to do it?

I understand that, but we'd have 1 big under the basket regardless. If Austin was in, he'd be guarding Daniels on the perimeter.

There's a fine difference between "I don't like the 4 guard lineup/going small" and "the 4 guard lineup lost the game for us in this 2 minute stretch". I can agree with the first, but not the second.

Austin didn’t guard Daniels after Brimah fouled out and he stayed in the lane. Coach must have told him to stay there and stop penetration. Nolan was moving but he was a decoy.

Maybe the 4 guard set didn’t lose the game. But UCONN’s guards scored 3 straight buckets in the paint when we went 4 guards. After another big was inserted they only attempted long jumpers.

BTW, IIRC we didn't play the 4 guard set at all last night.

4 points in the paint, none of them by bigs and none of them affected by having 4 guards in the game.

The 4 guards played 121 minutes against UConn. They played 107 minutes last night. King, Iverson, Woodson, Wilson and Draper played a combined 2 minutes against UConn. They played 29 minutes last night. Last night was also a blowout.

Let me know if you think this had anything to do with playing 4 guards or if it was a coincidence. (rhetorical question).

6 points. I have it frozen as I type and his right foot inside and his left foot is too close to the line to tell. Anyway it’s an easy high percentage shot and he knocked it down. Dixon was in front of him but didn’t even jump I assume because of the 4 fouls.

As for the guards I said 4 GUARD SET. You do know what a 4 guard set is? It's 4 guards playing at the same time (small ball).

(01-24-2014 09:48 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 08:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 06:28 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  When I played guard I never worried about the one on me because I knew I could get by him. My focus was always on the other defenders in my path. If the other defenders were in their own battles and looking the other way I’d take it to the rim every time. Way too easy and any good guard will do the same thing.

Joe can do it but when he beats his defender late in the game their other big (yep,2) forced him into a bad pass to Shaq. 1 big and Joe scores.

Point is any good guard will take advantage of 1 opposing big down low and usually makes them pay. Can’t play the 4 guard set with only 1 true big when they have good guards. As I said before good guards will make you pay.

We ALWAYS go small. Anyone ever seen us go really big and make teams pay for it? No. Why not try now we have the players to do it?

I understand that, but we'd have 1 big under the basket regardless. If Austin was in, he'd be guarding Daniels on the perimeter.

There's a fine difference between "I don't like the 4 guard lineup/going small" and "the 4 guard lineup lost the game for us in this 2 minute stretch". I can agree with the first, but not the second.

Austin didn’t guard Daniels after Brimah fouled out and he stayed in the lane. Coach must have told him to stay there and stop penetration. Nolan was moving but he was a decoy.

Maybe the 4 guard set didn’t lose the game. But UCONN’s guards scored 3 straight buckets in the paint when we went 4 guards. After another big was inserted they only attempted long jumpers.

BTW, IIRC we didn't play the 4 guard set at all last night.

Then Shaq (or Pellom) was guarding Daniels and the premise is the same.

UConn's guards are really, really good. What I take away from the game is that we have to protect our guards from picking up fouls by zoning a lot, and if our guards do pick up fouls, get them out and let someone else D up. At least we won't give up all that penetration.

We've played...and won- 2 games since losing a good game with UConn.

(01-24-2014 10:48 AM)Mimi Wrote:  We've played...and won- 2 games since losing a good game with UConn.

(01-24-2014 10:37 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 10:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:48 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 08:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 06:28 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  When I played guard I never worried about the one on me because I knew I could get by him. My focus was always on the other defenders in my path. If the other defenders were in their own battles and looking the other way I’d take it to the rim every time. Way too easy and any good guard will do the same thing.

Joe can do it but when he beats his defender late in the game their other big (yep,2) forced him into a bad pass to Shaq. 1 big and Joe scores.

Point is any good guard will take advantage of 1 opposing big down low and usually makes them pay. Can’t play the 4 guard set with only 1 true big when they have good guards. As I said before good guards will make you pay.

We ALWAYS go small. Anyone ever seen us go really big and make teams pay for it? No. Why not try now we have the players to do it?

I understand that, but we'd have 1 big under the basket regardless. If Austin was in, he'd be guarding Daniels on the perimeter.

There's a fine difference between "I don't like the 4 guard lineup/going small" and "the 4 guard lineup lost the game for us in this 2 minute stretch". I can agree with the first, but not the second.

Austin didn’t guard Daniels after Brimah fouled out and he stayed in the lane. Coach must have told him to stay there and stop penetration. Nolan was moving but he was a decoy.

Maybe the 4 guard set didn’t lose the game. But UCONN’s guards scored 3 straight buckets in the paint when we went 4 guards. After another big was inserted they only attempted long jumpers.

BTW, IIRC we didn't play the 4 guard set at all last night.

4 points in the paint, none of them by bigs and none of them affected by having 4 guards in the game.

The 4 guards played 121 minutes against UConn. They played 107 minutes last night. King, Iverson, Woodson, Wilson and Draper played a combined 2 minutes against UConn. They played 29 minutes last night. Last night was also a blowout.

Let me know if you think this had anything to do with playing 4 guards or if it was a coincidence. (rhetorical question).

6 points. I have it frozen as I type and his right foot inside and his left foot is too close to the line to tell. Anyway it’s an easy high percentage shot and he knocked it down. Dixon was in front of him but didn’t even jump I assume because of the 4 fouls.

As for the guards I said 4 GUARD SET. You do know what a 4 guard set is? It's 4 guards playing at the same time (small ball).

A 12' fadeway by a 6'1 guard, not in the paint, being guarded by a guard with nobody else close to him is not considered points in the paint. I understand if you aren't able to answer the question.

(01-24-2014 09:50 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:24 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 07:35 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 05:18 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

Stammers Wrote:I use the same tone with you as I would with a child that wants to eat chocolate bars for supper; simple logic backed by facts. The 6 year old has much better odds of being to understand than you do.

The 450 Move
1) Make completely ridiculous statements with no foundation in reality
2) When claims are easily refuted, state that he was at the game
3) When claims are easily refuted using facts that are not open to dispute, make sure response is completely lacking in facts
4) Lather, rinse, repeat

No. you are wrong…

450bench Wrote:The 4 guards were in the game which led to 6 straight points in the paint.

Again, he said points in the paint. He did not say points in the paint BY UCONN’s BIGS. But you ASSUMED he was referring to their bigs and continued with this…

Stammers Wrote: There wasn't a single post move by a UConn big. There wasn't a single play where a UConn big even got the ball. The UConn guards abused our guards and our bigs were late rotating AND helping. So Mr. "I was at the game" has completely ZERO clue what actually happened.

…then go on to accuse him of having ZERO clue. I pointed this out to you in a previous reply and you said I had ZERO clue too. Problem is He & I know what you are talking about but you don’t seem to understand what we are talking about. I don’t know why. It’s as simple as A-B-C.

Whatever…(smh)

Napier made a layup; Kromah made a 12' fade away outside the paint and then Kromah made a layup. On Kromah's layup he blew by a guard and layed it in right up against Shaq. Crawford, who was the 4 on the play was playing weak side and had nothing to do with the play. It wouldn't have made a difference if it was Pellom, Nichols, Tarik Black, Mikembe Mutombo, etc.

So your 6 points in the paint are actually 4 points in the paint with possibly 2 of the points being because we had 4 guards in the game. UConn's bigs didn't even touch the ball on the 3 sequences and the 2 plays were defended in the paint by Shaq.

I hate the 4 guard offense as much as the next guy; but it had nothing to do with not getting what we wanted on offense or stopping them on defense. Crawford's man didn't touch the ball on any of the 3 made baskets.

Again; the 6 points in the paint were actually 4 points in the paint and none of them...ZERO had anything to do with Crawford who was playing the 4 at the time. And btw, who cares about points in the paint if the bigs aren't scoring them? We scored more points in the paint than UConn did.

Go look again, Kromah was in the paint. While you’re at it also notice where Austin was playing when he reentered. He was on Nolan and stayed in the middle of the lane until Napier faked the drive and passed to Daniels for a 3.

You also said: ”who cares about points in the paint if the bigs aren't scoring them?” Josh evidently did because he called a timeout and put another big back in. From then on no UCONN player attempted to go to the rim.

Kromah shot over the guard that was on him. He wasn't in the paint and his basket had absolutely nothing to do with having 4 guards in the game. It was a 12' fadeaway.

Quote:Josh evidently did because he called a timeout and put another big back in. From then on no UCONN player attempted to go to the rim.

Right after the substitution, Napier went straight to the rim but was cut off by 2 defenders AND Shaq also followed him down low; which is why Daniels was wide open to hit the 3. Also, AGAIN, Kromah did not go to the rim; he shot a fadeaway while being guarded by a guard.

After that Napier made a jumper late in the shot clock, because our guards did a better job of defending, and then UConn went straight to free throws. Nice try though at making it seem that after the timeout, UConn drastically changed their strategy.

Napier didn’t go straight to the rim he came from outside of the 3pt line with Joe on him, Austin jumping out of the lane on him, and Chris ready to close. As soon as he drew the defenders and 1 step inside of the 3pt line he passed to Daniels for the 3 (who had spotted up when Napier got the ball). No way was Napier trying to drive unless our 3 defenders just vanished into thin air. It was a play to hit the spot up shooter.

My conclusion: Teams will get what the defense allows…

A) When we went with 4 guards UCONN attacked the paint and scored on 3 straight possessions.

B) When we added another big UCONN settled for 2 jumpers and made them both.

So nice try yourself. I have HD TV’s & DVR’s too.

BTW, this is how I interpreted the last 5 minutes of the game and I spent a lot of time yesterday & today using freeze-frame & slow-motion.

Enough of this. I'm tired of watching us lose over and over again.

(01-24-2014 11:43 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:50 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:24 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 07:35 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 05:18 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  No. you are wrong…


Again, he said points in the paint. He did not say points in the paint BY UCONN’s BIGS. But you ASSUMED he was referring to their bigs and continued with this…


…then go on to accuse him of having ZERO clue. I pointed this out to you in a previous reply and you said I had ZERO clue too. Problem is He & I know what you are talking about but you don’t seem to understand what we are talking about. I don’t know why. It’s as simple as A-B-C.

Whatever…(smh)

Napier made a layup; Kromah made a 12' fade away outside the paint and then Kromah made a layup. On Kromah's layup he blew by a guard and layed it in right up against Shaq. Crawford, who was the 4 on the play was playing weak side and had nothing to do with the play. It wouldn't have made a difference if it was Pellom, Nichols, Tarik Black, Mikembe Mutombo, etc.

So your 6 points in the paint are actually 4 points in the paint with possibly 2 of the points being because we had 4 guards in the game. UConn's bigs didn't even touch the ball on the 3 sequences and the 2 plays were defended in the paint by Shaq.

I hate the 4 guard offense as much as the next guy; but it had nothing to do with not getting what we wanted on offense or stopping them on defense. Crawford's man didn't touch the ball on any of the 3 made baskets.

Again; the 6 points in the paint were actually 4 points in the paint and none of them...ZERO had anything to do with Crawford who was playing the 4 at the time. And btw, who cares about points in the paint if the bigs aren't scoring them? We scored more points in the paint than UConn did.

Go look again, Kromah was in the paint. While you’re at it also notice where Austin was playing when he reentered. He was on Nolan and stayed in the middle of the lane until Napier faked the drive and passed to Daniels for a 3.

You also said: ”who cares about points in the paint if the bigs aren't scoring them?” Josh evidently did because he called a timeout and put another big back in. From then on no UCONN player attempted to go to the rim.

Kromah shot over the guard that was on him. He wasn't in the paint and his basket had absolutely nothing to do with having 4 guards in the game. It was a 12' fadeaway.

Quote:Josh evidently did because he called a timeout and put another big back in. From then on no UCONN player attempted to go to the rim.

Right after the substitution, Napier went straight to the rim but was cut off by 2 defenders AND Shaq also followed him down low; which is why Daniels was wide open to hit the 3. Also, AGAIN, Kromah did not go to the rim; he shot a fadeaway while being guarded by a guard.

After that Napier made a jumper late in the shot clock, because our guards did a better job of defending, and then UConn went straight to free throws. Nice try though at making it seem that after the timeout, UConn drastically changed their strategy.

Napier didn’t go straight to the rim he came from outside of the 3pt line with Joe on him, Austin jumping out of the lane on him, and Chris ready to close. As soon as he drew the defenders and 1 step inside of the 3pt line he passed to Daniels for the 3 (who had spotted up when Napier got the ball). No way was Napier trying to drive unless our 3 defenders just vanished into thin air. It was a play to hit the spot up shooter.

My conclusion: Teams will get what the defense allows…

A) When we went with 4 guards UCONN attacked the paint and scored on 3 straight possessions.

B) When we added another big UCONN settled for 2 jumpers and made them both.

So nice try yourself. I have HD TV’s & DVR’s too.

BTW, this is how I interpreted the last 5 minutes of the game and I spent a lot of time yesterday & today using freeze-frame & slow-motion.

Enough of this. I'm tired of watching us lose over and over again.

He was past the foul line, not 1 foot inside the 3 point line. Maybe your freeze framer and slow motioners are busted. Also, shooting a 12' fadeaway over the outstretched arm of a defender and shooting a 3 pointer are not considered to be attacking the rim.

Maybe on whatever planet you're on, but not this one.

(01-24-2014 11:43 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  Napier didn’t go straight to the rim he came from outside of the 3pt line with Joe on him, Austin jumping out of the lane on him, and Chris ready to close. As soon as he drew the defenders and 1 step inside of the 3pt line he passed to Daniels for the 3 (who had spotted up when Napier got the ball). No way was Napier trying to drive unless our 3 defenders just vanished into thin air. It was a play to hit the spot up shooter.

My conclusion: Teams will get what the defense allows…

A) When we went with 4 guards UCONN attacked the paint and scored on 3 straight possessions.

B) When we added another big UCONN settled for 2 jumpers and made them both.

So nice try yourself. I have HD TV’s & DVR’s too.

BTW, this is how I interpreted the last 5 minutes of the game and I spent a lot of time yesterday & today using freeze-frame & slow-motion.

Enough of this. I'm tired of watching us lose over and over again.

I hate to break your heart, BST, but were gonna lose another one before the season is over.