(01-15-2014 03:57 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 08:57 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 11:28 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Typical of the hardcore religious right. No one here hates Christianity, but because some of us aren't for Liberty, that's what you guys make it out to be. This isn't about Christianity, some think Liberty is too extreme to be a conference mate. Christianity has nothing to do with it.

Take a trip to the spin room sometime boy. Congrats on the most naïve post of 2014.

Once again, Liberty is not representative on all things Christianity. We can agree that Falwell's interpretation of the bible differs from Catholicism right? Therefore, there are a lot of people here whose problem Liberty with involves their A) interpretation of the bible and B) their actions based on their interpretation of the bible. Again, nothing to do with Christianity.

(01-14-2014 10:32 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Funny how Liberty is talked about and discussed on this board, but the schedule doesn't hold the extreme views of this board. Look who we've played or are scheduled to play in the next few years. App St. and UNC next year, Ga State the year after. WV, VaTech, UVA. From some of the views on this board you would think Liberty is shunned. Just not the case.

Scheduling is far different than being conference mates. Far, far different.

This isnt about religion. Its about a public political agenda based upon religious stances. Far right candidates for office dont make SURE to make SMU or BYU or Baylor a campaign stop. They do pencil in Liberty. Liberty is entitled to have their beliefs and cross over into te world of political lobbying, But they should not be shocked when they cant get 75% of any FBS conferences state funded public school Presidents to vote them in.

(01-15-2014 04:46 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  Basically, there is no room for conservative minded ideology, this from those who say they are about "inclusion".
But what if BYU, a very conservative institution wanted to join the Sun Belt, and are you then saying they would be accepted over LU solely because they are already FBS ? Then in fact it is not politics. Unless it's LI who happens to be FCS.


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Dude just stop. You can name ANY other FCS school as a potential move up and not hear a peep. Why is that? Why dont people get up in arms about Baylor or BYU or Notre Dame or SMU? Because those schools dont have very public political stances.

But this is a pointless discussion. If Liberty was going to get in an FBS conference they would BE in an FBS conference. Period

(01-15-2014 04:48 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Right on cue, this thread turn religious.

You guys would get a lot more traction on here if you became a Catholic school. Get to work on it!

(01-15-2014 04:48 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Right on cue, this thread turn religious.

Anyone who brings up the L word in realignment should get a week ban

(01-15-2014 04:57 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 04:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 04:48 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Right on cue, this thread turn religious.

Anyone who brings up the L word in realignment should get a week ban

That sounds intolerant, close-minded, and discriminatory.

Well you know, they are closer to MAC territory...

(01-15-2014 04:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 04:57 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 04:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 04:48 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Right on cue, this thread turn religious.

Anyone who brings up the L word in realignment should get a week ban

That sounds intolerant, close-minded, and discriminatory.

Well you know, they are closer to MAC territory...

LOL, MAC is trying to get "back" to 12 teams, not get "to" 12 teams. Take UMass and lets be done.

(01-15-2014 04:46 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  Basically, there is no room for conservative minded ideology, this from those who say they are about "inclusion".
But what if BYU, a very conservative institution wanted to join the Sun Belt, and are you then saying they would be accepted over LU solely because they are already FBS ? Then in fact it is not politics. Unless it's LI who happens to be FCS.


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You don't get it. It has nothing to do with them being Conservative or even Christian. It has everything to do with their discrimination in EMPLOYMENT, admissions, staffing, and athletics on the basis of sexual orientation and religion in their non-theological programs.

Liberty is the one discriminating. For the record, I don't think BYU belongs in the NCAA either. They're already in FBS, so barring a new NCAA rule kicking out programs that discriminate in non-theological hiring, staffing, athletics, or admissions, we're stuck with them (but please note that BYU is not in a conference - and that's why). But I see zero reason to allow a program, much worse than BYU to join the highest level so they can continue to discriminate in employment, athletic, admissions, and staffing on a higher level.

Liberty has the right to discriminate. It doesn't make them 'right' to do so. However, the Sun Belt is under no obligation to endorse their discrimination by associating with such a school.

By the way, I wonder how a NCAA FBS/FCS rule that threw out schools that discriminate on the basis of religion, race, or sexual orientation would fare? Basically, if it was just a FBS rule, it would simply serve to kick out Baylor and BYU (Unless they reformed their policies). If FCS was included, it would hit about 10 schools, none of them whom would be missed.

I think there might be support for such a prohibition in FBS amongst the Presidents.

When your school is constantly being attacked and misrepresented it's only normal to want to set the record straight. I know not as many people read the smack talk board, but nevertheless I wanted to say just a couple things to Tom. Tom you constantly write falsehoods and or straight out lies about Liberty. Saying you're unwelcomed if you're non-Christian or gay is NOT true. While I attended Liberty I dated the cheerleading coach for a couple of years. She told me it was common knowledge that 2-3 guys on the squad were gay. Several kids in my dorm were far from Christian. No one asked them to leave, no one beat them up, they weren't arrested. They went to class and for all I know sat right beside me.

(01-15-2014 05:38 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  When your school is constantly being attacked and misrepresented it's only normal to want to set the record straight. I know not as many people read the smack talk board, but nevertheless I wanted to say just a couple things to Tom. Tom you constantly write falsehoods and or straight out lies about Liberty. Saying you're unwelcomed if you're non-Christian or gay is NOT true. While I attended Liberty I dated the cheerleading coach for a couple of years. She told me it was common knowledge that 2-3 guys on the squad were gay. Several kids in my dorm were far from Christian. No one asked them to leave, no one beat them up, they weren't arrested. They went to class and for all I know sat right beside me.

Were these supposedly Gay students dating? How would LU handle a married Gay student (to a man)? Saying that if you stay in the closet, that you wont be expelled isn't not discriminating. Saying that if you are barred from dating or having a relationship or even a marriage while a student is the same as an outright ban.

Liberty bars Gay persons and non-Christians from any employment at Liberty. Even in their non-theological positions.

And yes, if the school thinks that someone is so filthy and disgusting that they cannot be employed as a janitor at Liberty because they are Gay isn't exactly welcoming. Or a Muslim. Or an Athiest. Or a Jew. I'm going to continue to call it unwelcoming.

You, per the law, have the right to discriminate against the talents of Gay, Muslim, Athiest, Jewish, and non-fundamentalist persons. But others have the right to say "no thanks - not a fit". The Sun Belt doesn't allow discrimination in hiring, admissions, employment, and athletic participation on the basis of marital status, sexual orientation, and religion. Liberty is a discriminatory institution on all three.

By the way, Mat Staver and Matt Barber have been representing your school some more. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/us...ve-arrests

The Assistant Dean of your Law School is reportedly in support of a bill that is being used today to torture all known Gay persons in Nigeria. And will result in all Gays in Nigeria being thrown in jailcamps for the 'crime' of existing. And will throw people in jail for up to 14 years for attending a Gay supportive church service. So much for freedom or religion.

Today it appears like your school's representatives stand in favor of torture, mass jailings, and the denial of ALL freedom of RELIGION, association, expression, petition, protest, speech, and press.


I get that many at Liberty don't support extreme human rights abuses like Matt Barber appears to do, but Barber apparently continues to enjoy the support of the Liberty Administration. Your school will fire, say, a history professor, if he or she gets married to someone of the same sex, right? But apparently, if a Liberty professor (one who apparently holds a leadership role in the school) advocates extreme human rights abuses, per Liberty that's his personal business to which Liberty University will not correct?

So marrying your same sex partner is less moral than advocating sending all Gay persons to jailcamps or advocating other extreme human rights abuses? What twisted deity is the Administration at Liberty following?

How curious, Tom... I had no idea you hated Jesus and all things Christian.

(01-15-2014 08:37 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  How curious, Tom... I had no idea you hated Jesus and all things Christian.

Its odd they would think that. Seeing as it is Liberty University officials who are apparently in support of laws designed to throw people in jail for up to 14 years for simply attending a Christian church service. See link above.

(01-15-2014 06:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 05:38 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  When your school is constantly being attacked and misrepresented it's only normal to want to set the record straight. I know not as many people read the smack talk board, but nevertheless I wanted to say just a couple things to Tom. Tom you constantly write falsehoods and or straight out lies about Liberty. Saying you're unwelcomed if you're non-Christian or gay is NOT true. While I attended Liberty I dated the cheerleading coach for a couple of years. She told me it was common knowledge that 2-3 guys on the squad were gay. Several kids in my dorm were far from Christian. No one asked them to leave, no one beat them up, they weren't arrested. They went to class and for all I know sat right beside me.

Were these supposedly Gay students dating? How would LU handle a married Gay student (to a man)? Saying that if you stay in the closet, that you wont be expelled isn't not discriminating. Saying that if you are barred from dating or having a relationship or even a marriage while a student is the same as an outright ban.

Liberty bars Gay persons and non-Christians from any employment at Liberty. Even in their non-theological positions.

And yes, if the school thinks that someone is so filthy and disgusting that they cannot be employed as a janitor at Liberty because they are Gay isn't exactly welcoming. Or a Muslim. Or an Athiest. Or a Jew. I'm going to continue to call it unwelcoming.

You, per the law, have the right to discriminate against the talents of Gay, Muslim, Athiest, Jewish, and non-fundamentalist persons. But others have the right to say "no thanks - not a fit". The Sun Belt doesn't allow discrimination in hiring, admissions, employment, and athletic participation on the basis of marital status, sexual orientation, and religion. Liberty is a discriminatory institution on all three.

By the way, Mat Staver and Matt Barber have been representing your school some more. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/us...ve-arrests

The Assistant Dean of your Law School is reportedly in support of a bill that is being used today to torture all known Gay persons in Nigeria. And will result in all Gays in Nigeria being thrown in jailcamps for the 'crime' of existing. And will throw people in jail for up to 14 years for attending a Gay supportive church service. So much for freedom or religion.

Today it appears like your school's representatives stand in favor of torture, mass jailings, and the denial of ALL freedom of RELIGION, association, expression, petition, protest, speech, and press.


I get that many at Liberty don't support extreme human rights abuses like Matt Barber appears to do, but Barber apparently continues to enjoy the support of the Liberty Administration. Your school will fire, say, a history professor, if he or she gets married to someone of the same sex, right? But apparently, if a Liberty professor (one who apparently holds a leadership role in the school) advocates extreme human rights abuses, per Liberty that's his personal business to which Liberty University will not correct?

So marrying your same sex partner is less moral than advocating sending all Gay persons to jailcamps or advocating other extreme human rights abuses? What twisted deity is the Administration at Liberty following?

Much like Obama and Satan, LazyTom and his following are as intelligent as they are evil.

(01-17-2014 09:18 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 06:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 05:38 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  When your school is constantly being attacked and misrepresented it's only normal to want to set the record straight. I know not as many people read the smack talk board, but nevertheless I wanted to say just a couple things to Tom. Tom you constantly write falsehoods and or straight out lies about Liberty. Saying you're unwelcomed if you're non-Christian or gay is NOT true. While I attended Liberty I dated the cheerleading coach for a couple of years. She told me it was common knowledge that 2-3 guys on the squad were gay. Several kids in my dorm were far from Christian. No one asked them to leave, no one beat them up, they weren't arrested. They went to class and for all I know sat right beside me.

Were these supposedly Gay students dating? How would LU handle a married Gay student (to a man)? Saying that if you stay in the closet, that you wont be expelled isn't not discriminating. Saying that if you are barred from dating or having a relationship or even a marriage while a student is the same as an outright ban.

Liberty bars Gay persons and non-Christians from any employment at Liberty. Even in their non-theological positions.

And yes, if the school thinks that someone is so filthy and disgusting that they cannot be employed as a janitor at Liberty because they are Gay isn't exactly welcoming. Or a Muslim. Or an Athiest. Or a Jew. I'm going to continue to call it unwelcoming.

You, per the law, have the right to discriminate against the talents of Gay, Muslim, Athiest, Jewish, and non-fundamentalist persons. But others have the right to say "no thanks - not a fit". The Sun Belt doesn't allow discrimination in hiring, admissions, employment, and athletic participation on the basis of marital status, sexual orientation, and religion. Liberty is a discriminatory institution on all three.

By the way, Mat Staver and Matt Barber have been representing your school some more. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/us...ve-arrests

The Assistant Dean of your Law School is reportedly in support of a bill that is being used today to torture all known Gay persons in Nigeria. And will result in all Gays in Nigeria being thrown in jailcamps for the 'crime' of existing. And will throw people in jail for up to 14 years for attending a Gay supportive church service. So much for freedom or religion.

Today it appears like your school's representatives stand in favor of torture, mass jailings, and the denial of ALL freedom of RELIGION, association, expression, petition, protest, speech, and press.


I get that many at Liberty don't support extreme human rights abuses like Matt Barber appears to do, but Barber apparently continues to enjoy the support of the Liberty Administration. Your school will fire, say, a history professor, if he or she gets married to someone of the same sex, right? But apparently, if a Liberty professor (one who apparently holds a leadership role in the school) advocates extreme human rights abuses, per Liberty that's his personal business to which Liberty University will not correct?

So marrying your same sex partner is less moral than advocating sending all Gay persons to jailcamps or advocating other extreme human rights abuses? What twisted deity is the Administration at Liberty following?

Much like Obama and Satan, LazyTom and his following are as intelligent as they are evil.

This is parody......right?

(01-18-2014 11:51 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 09:18 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Much like Obama and Satan, LazyTom and his following are as intelligent as they are evil.

This is parody......right?

Sadly, no.

(01-16-2014 09:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 08:37 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  How curious, Tom... I had no idea you hated Jesus and all things Christian.

Its odd they would think that. Seeing as it is Liberty University officials who are apparently in support of laws designed to throw people in jail for up to 14 years for simply attending a Christian church service.

Tom.....App State and Ga. State playing us in football....what does that say about how much people out there supposedly hate us?? I thought we were so badly despised by the establishment that students would march on campus if we were scheduled? Your rhetoric is getting old Tom....App State and Ga. State clearly didn't buy it. We played ODU last year....Richmond...will play UNC next year...If you are right...and people despise us THAT much and can't stand to be associated with us...why are all of the aforementioned schools playing us?

(01-18-2014 08:40 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Tom.....App State and Ga. State playing us in football....what does that say about how much people out there supposedly hate us?? I thought we were so badly despised by the establishment that students would march on campus if we were scheduled? Your rhetoric is getting old Tom....App State and Ga. State clearly didn't buy it. We played ODU last year....Richmond...will play UNC next year...If you are right...and people despise us THAT much and can't stand to be associated with us...why are all of the aforementioned schools playing us?

If you are right and EVERYONE is so open and inviting to you, why are you not FBS?

You clearly have the desire.
You clearly have the funds.
You are in a desirable area.
You even have access to a TV network.
You even have a conference commissioner that wants you in the conference.

So with ALL those bonuses, why aren't you getting an invite to FBS? Hell, why aren't CUSA, MAC, & the Sun Belt FIGHTING over you?

I truly want to hear what your thought is on it.

Tom -

1. SBC needs an Eastern Member
2. App State feeling the heat for students missing class...need a travel partner
3. JMU wants nothing to do with the SBC
4. Liberty is the only viable option if the SBC wants a championship game in 2015
5. Benson wants it, and several other president's do as well.

The word on the street is there are two schools who are the primary opposition to our entry, and no offense, but neither have any business being FBS in the first place. Believe it or not it isn't the politics that they do not like....it is the superior CUSA style budget, funding, and facilities that we'll bring. They don't see it a level playing field as they're both dealing with major budget cuts and have some of the lowest budgets in all of FBS already....

IMHO they should drop down to FCS, save some money, and focus more on educating students - the FBS world is NOT for these types....Nick Saban is making more money than one of these schools ENTIRE athletic budget combined. Woeful at best.

(01-18-2014 08:49 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 08:40 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Tom.....App State and Ga. State playing us in football....what does that say about how much people out there supposedly hate us?? I thought we were so badly despised by the establishment that students would march on campus if we were scheduled? Your rhetoric is getting old Tom....App State and Ga. State clearly didn't buy it. We played ODU last year....Richmond...will play UNC next year...If you are right...and people despise us THAT much and can't stand to be associated with us...why are all of the aforementioned schools playing us?

If you are right and EVERYONE is so open and inviting to you, why are you not FBS?

You clearly have the desire.
You clearly have the funds.
You are in a desirable area.
You even have access to a TV network.
You even have a conference commissioner that wants you in the conference.

So with ALL those bonuses, why aren't you getting an invite to FBS? Hell, why aren't CUSA, MAC, & the Sun Belt FIGHTING over you?

I truly want to hear what your thought is on it.

I won't call out the schools...but there are two that have been adamant about our not being part of the SBC. They don't want our budget.

As I said - In the most humble way possible I don't believe they should be FBS in the first place, but they're too proud to drop down to FCS and focus more on educating students than funding a fledgling athletic department.

1. The SBC needs nothing at this point. We are a viable FBS conference with 11.
2. Where are you getting this from? The App State folks aren't sayign that.
3. You have no clue on this. JMU has not been extended an invitation, and JMU has not said no to an invitation. Merely that they are taking their time in it (there is no benefit to them accepting a bid between the conclusion of their study and June of this year).
4. You aren't the only viable option, you're merely the most vocal.
5. Name a single president that wants Liberty in the Sun Belt.

I call absolute BS on your stance that the two schools want to keep you out because of your budget. I'd like to see some proof of this. Or is this your belief? That's fine to hold that belief, but it doesn't make it accurate or factual.

(01-18-2014 08:55 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  1. The SBC needs nothing at this point. We are a viable FBS conference with 11.
2. Where are you getting this from? The App State folks aren't sayign that.
3. You have no clue on this. JMU has not been extended an invitation, and JMU has not said no to an invitation. Merely that they are taking their time in it (there is no benefit to them accepting a bid between the conclusion of their study and June of this year).
4. You aren't the only viable option, you're merely the most vocal.
5. Name a single president that wants Liberty in the Sun Belt.

I call absolute BS on your stance that the two schools want to keep you out because of your budget. I'd like to see some proof of this. Or is this your belief? That's fine to hold that belief, but it doesn't make it accurate or factual.

1. Benson is clearly pissed that he is the only conference that doesn't have a title game. This is one of many, many articles and interview stating that Benson wants 12. http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...embership/

He has been wearing down the President's and Chancellors over the past two years. He wants 12, and he will have 12.


2. Of course App State fans aren't saying it...they don't care about their athletes missing class. Many others however, do. No doubt the AD and Chancellor will hear about this. http://www2.wataugademocrat.com/News/sto...-id-013757

3. Unless your head has been in the and for the past two years....you would know that JMU clearly doesn't want in the SBC conference. The SBC has not formerly invited because there is no interest....they wouldn't formerly invite only to be publicly embarrassed by the JMU denial. All of these conference moves are squared away behind the scenes before invites are given publicly. JMU wants to align with better academic schools in the MAC...bottom line.

4. Budgets, facilities, Title IX (you all think this is just about football...Title IX is A HUGE part of this and we have been Title IX compliant for 3 years....IE ALL of our women's programs are fully funded with scholarships) Media, staffing, etc....all of these are in better condition for a move up to FBS than anyone else...heck our budget would be first in the SBC and staffing would be right up there as well. We are clearly better positioned than ANY other FCS school except JMU who doesn't want the SBC.

5. GA. State, GA Southern, App State, etc...basically the entire Eastern side would vote us in.


About your last point - SBC expenses in 2012 -


1. WKU - 25.7 million
2. Texas St. - 25.5 million
3. Ga. State - 22.7 million
4. South Alabama - 17.7 million
5. Troy - 16.7
6. ULL - 15.3
7. ASU - 13.2
8. ULM - 9.4
9. UTA - 9.2
10. UALR - 8.6

Other notables -

JMU - 34.5
Liberty - 30.2
Appy - 19.0
Ga Southern - 10.1
Missouri State - 13.6


Of the three schools at the bottom of the SBC list....two get a pass for not having football programs, and the other does not belong in FBS. Is is this school that is the most vocal about us not joining.