(01-17-2014 02:38 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Any man on this board who is going to say they didn't see, take part in, or were the subject of homosexually oriented hatred while growing up is a liar. Maybe you didn't take part in it, but you saw it. You saw the fear in kids eyes as the other teenagers shoved him in the locker room, or laughed at him in the hallway after he defiantly tried to stand up for himself.

I don't know where you went to school but no.

(01-17-2014 02:38 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Any man on this board who is going to say they didn't see, take part in, or were the subject of homosexually oriented hatred while growing up is a liar. Maybe you didn't take part in it, but you saw it. You saw the fear in kids eyes as the other teenagers shoved him in the locker room, or laughed at him in the hallway after he defiantly tried to stand up for himself.

That was tough to do being that there were no homosexuals in my childhood... I would call my friends fags when I was pissed at them, but they weren't gay so I guess you got me there. "Throw me the ball, fagg*t" or "This game is gay"... so yeah, the slurs were made, but they really had nothing to do with sex or sexual orientation.

Edit: Wow, the language filter allows you to say "fag", but not "fagg*t".

Two liars up, let's see how many we have on this messageboard.

(01-17-2014 02:39 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:38 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Any man on this board who is going to say they didn't see, take part in, or were the subject of homosexually oriented hatred while growing up is a liar. Maybe you didn't take part in it, but you saw it. You saw the fear in kids eyes as the other teenagers shoved him in the locker room, or laughed at him in the hallway after he defiantly tried to stand up for himself.

I don't know where you went to school but no.

And no.

I never witnessed a single instance of anything sadistic on the part of kids. People called each other names but nobody ever got shoved in a locker, and no overly dramatic standing up for yourself scenes. I can't even remember a full on fight.

I guess UCF grew up in a shithole.

(01-17-2014 02:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I never witnessed a single instance of anything sadistic on the part of kids. People called each other names but nobody ever got shoved in a locker, and no overly dramatic standing up for yourself scenes. I can't even remember a full on fight.

I guess UCF grew up in a shithole.

Went to a private, wealthy, fairly liberal nondenominational protestant school in a major city. Swing and a miss.

But I'm sure you all are being completely honest here.

(01-17-2014 03:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I never witnessed a single instance of anything sadistic on the part of kids. People called each other names but nobody ever got shoved in a locker, and no overly dramatic standing up for yourself scenes. I can't even remember a full on fight.

I guess UCF grew up in a shithole.

Went to a private, wealthy, fairly liberal nondenominational protestant school in a major city. Swing and a miss.

But I'm sure you all are being completely honest here.

Right back at you.

(01-17-2014 02:44 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Two liars up, let's see how many we have on this messageboard.

Never witnessed a gay kid being beat up but then again in 80's and early 90's these kids were likely in the closet. I know of one kids I went to HS who are now gay and looking back I can see it.

Sure some would yell fag at your friends or something but if they were straight does that count.

(01-17-2014 02:38 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Any man on this board who is going to say they didn't see, take part in, or were the subject of homosexually oriented hatred while growing up is a liar. Maybe you didn't take part in it, but you saw it. You saw the fear in kids eyes as the other teenagers shoved him in the locker room, or laughed at him in the hallway after he defiantly tried to stand up for himself.

We never had anything violent towards gays. The only gay boy I remember was a dirty, dirty fighter so nobody ever laughed at him.

(01-17-2014 02:38 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Any man on this board who is going to say they didn't see, take part in, or were the subject of homosexually oriented hatred while growing up is a liar. Maybe you didn't take part in it, but you saw it. You saw the fear in kids eyes as the other teenagers shoved him in the locker room, or laughed at him in the hallway after he defiantly tried to stand up for himself.

Fact is, there are greater numbers of boys that aren't gay that get picked on in school/social settings, period. Part of the rite of passage of growing up male is the stuff boys do to each other. It's far from a "gay only" thing.

Do you really think that only gays have had their father look at them and say "Boy, you better stand up for yourself". It's common place.

(01-17-2014 02:39 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:38 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Any man on this board who is going to say they didn't see, take part in, or were the subject of homosexually oriented hatred while growing up is a liar. Maybe you didn't take part in it, but you saw it. You saw the fear in kids eyes as the other teenagers shoved him in the locker room, or laughed at him in the hallway after he defiantly tried to stand up for himself.

I don't know where you went to school but no.

I know lots of people in Montgomery that would say that Montgomery is a very anti-Gay place and many have shared with me their awful experiences growing up there.

As a matter of fact. Montgomery was the subject of OUT Magazine's multi-page feature about it, title "The worst place to be Gay in America". I actually don't think Montgomery is the worst place (I think Tupelo Mississippi is), but it still shows how people who live there feel about being Gay in Montgomery.

And I doubt it was any better in Demopolis Alabama either.

http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/20...s-america/ is a link to an excerpt of the article. By the way note that 44% of Gay people from Alabama report being assaulted by their own family members.

(01-17-2014 11:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So homosexuals are just more likely to be mentally unhealthy, regardless of society, interesting.

The more alarming figure is how straight children fare with gay parents.

(01-17-2014 04:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 11:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So homosexuals are just more likely to be mentally unhealthy, regardless of society, interesting.

The more alarming figure is how straight children fare with gay parents.

what does it say to you that places like Russia, Nigeria, Uganda are more in line with your beliefs than America?

just something to think about...

(01-17-2014 04:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 11:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So homosexuals are just more likely to be mentally unhealthy, regardless of society, interesting.

The more alarming figure is how straight children fare with gay parents.

what does it say to you that places like Russia, Nigeria, Uganda are more in line with your beliefs than America?

just something to think about...

Well we do export our homophobia to those nations. Its kind of interesting that the more anti-Gay a place is, the worse their economy is.

(01-17-2014 04:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 11:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So homosexuals are just more likely to be mentally unhealthy, regardless of society, interesting.

The more alarming figure is how straight children fare with gay parents.

what does it say to you that places like Russia, Nigeria, Uganda are more in line with your beliefs than America?

just something to think about...

That you're a racist because you think you are superior to Africans?

(01-17-2014 04:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what does it say to you that places like Russia, Nigeria, Uganda are more in line with your beliefs than America?

just something to think about...

I remember in the 70s and 80s it was considered implicitly racist -- at best -- to make state or imply that African societies were backwards or primitive.

Obviously that taboo no longer holds.

(01-17-2014 04:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 11:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So homosexuals are just more likely to be mentally unhealthy, regardless of society, interesting.

The more alarming figure is how straight children fare with gay parents.

what does it say to you that places like Russia, Nigeria, Uganda are more in line with your beliefs than America?

just something to think about...

That you're a racist because you think you are superior to Africans?

No. That the anti-Gay hysteria in Nigeria, Camaroon, Uganda and Kenya is largely being led and fed by WHITE fundamentalist 'Christians' from the United States.

(01-17-2014 04:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what does it say to you that places like Russia, Nigeria, Uganda are more in line with your beliefs than America?

just something to think about...

I remember in the 70s and 80s it was considered implicitly racist -- at best -- to make state or imply that African societies were backwards or primitive.

Obviously that taboo no longer holds.

ya, social norms tend to change over a 40 year period ya blockhead.

(01-17-2014 04:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 11:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So homosexuals are just more likely to be mentally unhealthy, regardless of society, interesting.

The more alarming figure is how straight children fare with gay parents.

what does it say to you that places like Russia, Nigeria, Uganda are more in line with your beliefs than America?

just something to think about...

That you're a racist because you think you are superior to Africans?

No. That the anti-Gay hysteria in Nigeria, Camaroon, Uganda and Kenya is largely being led and fed by WHITE fundamentalist 'Christians' from the United States.

That's a fallacy Tom. Religion plays a roll but dislike of gays is rooted in the native cultures as much as anywhere else.

(01-17-2014 04:55 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what does it say to you that places like Russia, Nigeria, Uganda are more in line with your beliefs than America?

just something to think about...

I remember in the 70s and 80s it was considered implicitly racist -- at best -- to make state or imply that African societies were backwards or primitive.

Obviously that taboo no longer holds.

ya, social norms tend to change over a 40 year period ya blockhead.

The stats are not taboo. The stats are the stats.