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RE: Possibility of UCF and UConn to ACC? [Speculation thread, no source]
(01-16-2014 10:13 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  the B-12 is now the weakest link, B-12 best chance for survival is LHN to thrive.
Turn LHN into a quase B-12 network and expand its markets.
the 1st 2 expansion .schools pay for themselves with addition of CCG.
since B-12 does not pay equally, they could expand to 18 and get in the NE & Fla
eastern div with WV would be, Conn, Cin, Buffalo, UMass, Memphis, Temple, UCF & USF

I tend to agree except I think it's a race between the ACC and Big 12 as far as who can monetize a conference network first.

The Big 12 has major issues with footprint state populations in the current conference tv pricing model (besides Texas).

You have to keep up with the Jones (B1G, PAC, SEC) or it's just a matter of time before more schools are picked off (from the ACC or Big 12).

jmo, When the B1G, PAC and SEC reach the point of their networks controlling ALL their TV rights (currently Tier 1 thru Tier 3), those profits Fox and ESPN make from buying the Tier 1 rights will instead be flowing to the B1G, SEC and PAC bottom lines, just another big revenue stream. The only question in my mind is how long it takes to happen.

Even though the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse supposedly on the advice of ESPN for ratings purposes, those adds were also great in terms of starting a network given the state populations.

I still don't discount both the ACC and Big 12 could be swallowed up and we're left with only three major conferences, but right now the ball is in the court of the ACC and Big 12. Showing you are commited to trying and match revenue streams with the top leagues can go a long way, even if you wait a little longer for it.

Back to the topic of UCF to the ACC... right now I think its a matter of if ESPN wants them. If true, I think problems start to surface between the ACC and ESPN in that it doesn't fit the ACC network model. The ACC is already in Florida and a UCF add just erodes a network pricing model. However, I suppose stranger things have happened.
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(01-16-2014 11:44 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:41 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:30 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:28 AM)bluesox Wrote:  UConn and Cincy have great odds if the acc expands.

BC and Louisville might say otherwise.

Louisville will back UC! 07-coffee3

That type of cross-conference cooperation will blow minds in the ACC.

It hasn't been seen since the VTech add, and that was forced.

Louisville and Cincinnati are located 90 miles apart. Louisville and Cincinnati were conference mates in the Missouri Valley Conferences, The Metro Conference, Conference USA, The Big East, and The American Conference. Cincinnati is Louisville's biggest rival other than UK. 07-coffee3
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(01-16-2014 12:41 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:44 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:41 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:30 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:28 AM)bluesox Wrote:  UConn and Cincy have great odds if the acc expands.

BC and Louisville might say otherwise.

Louisville will back UC! 07-coffee3

That type of cross-conference cooperation will blow minds in the ACC.

It hasn't been seen since the VTech add, and that was forced.

Louisville and Cincinnati are located 90 miles apart. Louisville and Cincinnati were conference mates in the Missouri Valley Conferences, The Metro Conference, Conference USA, The Big East, and The American Conference. Cincinnati is Louisville's biggest rival other than UK. 07-coffee3

Remember, the ACC doesn't revolve around Louisville although the fans might seem to think so since their school received an invite.

It's what the NC schools care about. They don't care if Louisville is on an island, or in a mountain of debt...As long as UNC has their statements in black, it'll be fine.
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(01-16-2014 11:00 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:55 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:49 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:46 AM)Underdog Wrote:  I posted this in another thread; however, it seems relevant to this one as well:

"The decision was made to include Pitt and Syracuse and exclude UConn.... ESPN - is the one who told us [the ACC] what to do.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/scandal-e...ce-2011-10

The part you missed is that ESPN wanted UConn and BC balked and said they would rather have Pitt because BC delusionally thinks they have a chance to claim New England as their own.

This may not be the full story, so you could be right. However, it's clearly stated that ESPN wanted only Pitt and Cuse in the ACC.....

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...ppo-espn/1

The ACC first targeted Syracuse, then UConn. But Boston College had major objections to UConn, stemming from BC's move from the Big East to the ACC in 2005, some nasty comments and a lawsuit.

BC athletics director Gene DeFilippo seemingly confirmed what many had been reporting/presuming over the past month -- that BC blocked UConn from receiving an invite to the ACC.

"We didn't want them in,'' DeFilippo told the Globe. "It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.''

The fact that BC didn't want Uconn in the ACC seems pretty clear. However, Uconn fans like to forget three important points also associated with this issue:

1. Uconn was considered by many to be the lead in the lawsuit against BC, Miami, and the ACC in 2003-2004. BC and ACC leaders were sued PERSONALLY. The suit was based in Connecticut and conducted by the then-CT State Officials. See the attached and note the comments by these aforementioned CT State Officials. Boston College and Miami were exiting the Big East under the Big East's own exit provisions. You can imagine that the charges of "fraud" and "deceit" did not sit well with them.

https://www.wral.com/news/local/story/105570/

2. Boston College is ONE VOTE in the ACC. It is ludicrous to suggest that they alone had the power to derail Uconn getting into the ACC. (What is even more laughable is that these same Uconn fans often mocked BC as having no influence whatsoever in the ACC. Now, when it suits them, they portray BC as this all-powerful presence dictating ACC decisions.)

A number of other schools had to likewise not elect to extend an invitation to Uconn. Of course, since many of the ACC school and Conference officials back in 2003 are still around, could that also be a factor in the ultimate selections? It's just my opinion, of course, but maybe it wasn't such a good idea to take the vocal lead in a lawsuit filed PERSONALLY against ACC school and Conference officials, when you would, a few years later, be asking those same people to include you in their club.

Uconn fans in these threads seem to believe that nothing prior to the 2011 had anything to do with how events played out for them with the ACC. In my opinion, they are the ones who are deluding themsleves.

3. In my opinion, I do believe that the so-called "market block" was also a factor in this. So what? These type of "market blocks" are speculated about in these threads and elsewhere all the time. People often speculate on this being the reason any one of a number of ACC teams were not scooped up at one time or another by the SEC.

The funny thing is that many UMass fans claim that Uconn has exercised the same "market block" on Umass getting into the AAC. It is interesting to note that since Uconn elevated their program to FBS, they have played Umass only ONCE - and no future games are scheduled at this point. This is interesting as both are flagship schools in neighboring states that are the closest FBS programs to one another.

Personally, I think Uconn fans engage in a bit of hypocrisy bringing up this "market block" topic.
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I like an 18 team format if the NCAA allows a rule change. The rule change would be you could break off into 3 pods of 6 but still have a champ game. Ideally, you would have the 3 pod winners have a 2 game playoff with the highest seed pod winner getting a bye…1st weekend of dec 2 plays 3 with the winner playing 1 the 2nd weekend of december. Or if you just want to keep it at 1 champ game, you take the 2 highest rated out of the 3 pod winners and they play the 1st week-end of december. In the acc case, ND football would than be able to join. WIth a 3 pod setup, you could have a 5-1-1 format if nd were willing to jump to 7 games and go with

Pod A: uva, vtech, unc, duke, nc state, wake
Pod B: cincy, lville, clem, Gtech, FSU, Miami
Pod C: Bc, uconn, pitt, navy*, cuse, ND

*if navy doesn't work you could put in wvu, temple or BYU. The same concept works perfectly with the pac 12 if they added texas, texas tech, ou, ok state, ku and K state. OR the sec if they added texas, texas tech, ou and ok state. Ideally, you could go with 4 leagues of 18 for 72 school's getting a invite to the party. Of course, breaking down the 4 leagues into neat 18 spots isn't easy…might be easier if the rule is 15 team leagues or more can have 3 pods of 5+ for a 4-1-1 or 4-2-2 format in the case of 15 with a 2 game playoff of pod winners.
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(01-16-2014 10:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  Not Cincinnati again. They play in a 30k seat stadium. I'd rather have Tulane, better school and destination.

The ACC is not expanding!

I am not saying UC should go to the ACC, but to correct your facts they had a 35K seat stadium in 2013 which will be expanded to 40K the next time they play in Nippert.

Persuade Wake Forest to leave the ACC. Do it and you will replace them. Better basketball. Better football. A new market. A rival for UL.
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(01-16-2014 12:49 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 12:41 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:44 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:41 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:30 AM)Hitch Wrote:  BC and Louisville might say otherwise.

Louisville will back UC! 07-coffee3

That type of cross-conference cooperation will blow minds in the ACC.

It hasn't been seen since the VTech add, and that was forced.

Louisville and Cincinnati are located 90 miles apart. Louisville and Cincinnati were conference mates in the Missouri Valley Conferences, The Metro Conference, Conference USA, The Big East, and The American Conference. Cincinnati is Louisville's biggest rival other than UK. 07-coffee3

Remember, the ACC doesn't revolve around Louisville although the fans might seem to think so since their school received an invite.

It's what the NC schools care about. They don't care if Louisville is on an island, or in a mountain of debt...As long as UNC has their statements in black, it'll be fine.

These UL fans clearly aren't acting in the manner you are suggesting. And the ACC isn't trying to ignore UL or screw them over in regards to UC.
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(01-16-2014 02:24 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  Not Cincinnati again. They play in a 30k seat stadium. I'd rather have Tulane, better school and destination.

The ACC is not expanding!

I am not saying UC should go to the ACC, but to correct your facts they had a 35K seat stadium in 2013 which will be expanded to 40K the next time they play in Nippert.

Persuade Wake Forest to leave the ACC. Do it and you will replace them. Better basketball. Better football. A new market. A rival for UL.

We already tried but they were too busy collecting their $20M/year pacycheck to personally tell us to pound sand. 03-lmfao
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(01-16-2014 12:49 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 12:41 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:44 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:41 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:30 AM)Hitch Wrote:  BC and Louisville might say otherwise.

Louisville will back UC! 07-coffee3

That type of cross-conference cooperation will blow minds in the ACC.

It hasn't been seen since the VTech add, and that was forced.

Louisville and Cincinnati are located 90 miles apart. Louisville and Cincinnati were conference mates in the Missouri Valley Conferences, The Metro Conference, Conference USA, The Big East, and The American Conference. Cincinnati is Louisville's biggest rival other than UK. 07-coffee3

Remember, the ACC doesn't revolve around Louisville although the fans might seem to think so since their school received an invite.

It's what the NC schools care about. They don't care if Louisville is on an island, or in a mountain of debt...As long as UNC has their statements in black, it'll be fine.

I think you missed what he is saying. He was refuting the statement Hitch said that UofL would block UC, which I doubt they would. I don't think there is anyone in the ACC who would 'block' UC per se.

This is all probably irrelevant. Only way that the ACC expands is if ESPN walks up to them and says 'You guys need a couple new markets to get this network thing going'. Barring that, the ACC is in great shape (outside of their mess that is the division conversations) and has no reason to do anything.
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(01-16-2014 02:24 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  Not Cincinnati again. They play in a 30k seat stadium. I'd rather have Tulane, better school and destination.

The ACC is not expanding!

I am not saying UC should go to the ACC, but to correct your facts they had a 35K seat stadium in 2013 which will be expanded to 40K the next time they play in Nippert.

Persuade Wake Forest to leave the ACC. Do it and you will replace them. Better basketball. Better football. A new market. A rival for UL.

I know that was tongue-in-cheek, but we appreciate the somewhat kind words anyway. Your username makes me chuckle. Marge was quite the character to put it gently.

Wake is a founding member and a great school. Their athletic department could certainly use a lot of work, but they get credit for having it together at the beginning.
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(01-16-2014 01:03 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:00 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:55 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:49 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:46 AM)Underdog Wrote:  I posted this in another thread; however, it seems relevant to this one as well:

"The decision was made to include Pitt and Syracuse and exclude UConn.... ESPN - is the one who told us [the ACC] what to do.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/scandal-e...ce-2011-10

The part you missed is that ESPN wanted UConn and BC balked and said they would rather have Pitt because BC delusionally thinks they have a chance to claim New England as their own.

This may not be the full story, so you could be right. However, it's clearly stated that ESPN wanted only Pitt and Cuse in the ACC.....

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...ppo-espn/1

The ACC first targeted Syracuse, then UConn. But Boston College had major objections to UConn, stemming from BC's move from the Big East to the ACC in 2005, some nasty comments and a lawsuit.

BC athletics director Gene DeFilippo seemingly confirmed what many had been reporting/presuming over the past month -- that BC blocked UConn from receiving an invite to the ACC.

"We didn't want them in,'' DeFilippo told the Globe. "It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.''

The fact that BC didn't want Uconn in the ACC seems pretty clear. However, Uconn fans like to forget three important points also associated with this issue:

1. Uconn was considered by many to be the lead in the lawsuit against BC, Miami, and the ACC in 2003-2004. BC and ACC leaders were sued PERSONALLY. The suit was based in Connecticut and conducted by the then-CT State Officials. See the attached and note the comments by these aforementioned CT State Officials. Boston College and Miami were exiting the Big East under the Big East's own exit provisions. You can imagine that the charges of "fraud" and "deceit" did not sit well with them.

https://www.wral.com/news/local/story/105570/

2. Boston College is ONE VOTE in the ACC. It is ludicrous to suggest that they alone had the power to derail Uconn getting into the ACC. (What is even more laughable is that these same Uconn fans often mocked BC as having no influence whatsoever in the ACC. Now, when it suits them, they portray BC as this all-powerful presence dictating ACC decisions.)

A number of other schools had to likewise not elect to extend an invitation to Uconn. Of course, since many of the ACC school and Conference officials back in 2003 are still around, could that also be a factor in the ultimate selections? It's just my opinion, of course, but maybe it wasn't such a good idea to take the vocal lead in a lawsuit filed PERSONALLY against ACC school and Conference officials, when you would, a few years later, be asking those same people to include you in their club.

Uconn fans in these threads seem to believe that nothing prior to the 2011 had anything to do with how events played out for them with the ACC. In my opinion, they are the ones who are deluding themsleves.

3. In my opinion, I do believe that the so-called "market block" was also a factor in this. So what? These type of "market blocks" are speculated about in these threads and elsewhere all the time. People often speculate on this being the reason any one of a number of ACC teams were not scooped up at one time or another by the SEC.

The funny thing is that many UMass fans claim that Uconn has exercised the same "market block" on Umass getting into the AAC. It is interesting to note that since Uconn elevated their program to FBS, they have played Umass only ONCE - and no future games are scheduled at this point. This is interesting as both are flagship schools in neighboring states that are the closest FBS programs to one another.

Personally, I think Uconn fans engage in a bit of hypocrisy bringing up this "market block" topic.

I concede that some may be hypocritical in that regard. I however am not and would welcome UMass into the AAC or an annual OOC game with them. I'd love to see UConn play UMass at Gillette every other year and actually feel at this juncture the two FBS state flagships in New England should be working in concert.
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UCF has zero chance at the ACC at the moment. It would take something extreme like the utter collapse of the ACC to change that. The Nole's are being friendly to UCF because they don't see us as a threat and they enjoy an upstart doing better than UF. Doesn't mean they want us in the ACC.

The only viable P5 conference for UCF is the Big XII. They want into our market and UCF is already comparable to existing Big XII schools in academics, athletics, attendance, and TV ratings. We would be happy to take a partial cut at first so that we wouldn't lower the average payout. They just need to pull the trigger.
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(01-16-2014 03:49 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 01:03 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:00 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:55 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:49 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  The part you missed is that ESPN wanted UConn and BC balked and said they would rather have Pitt because BC delusionally thinks they have a chance to claim New England as their own.

This may not be the full story, so you could be right. However, it's clearly stated that ESPN wanted only Pitt and Cuse in the ACC.....

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...ppo-espn/1

The ACC first targeted Syracuse, then UConn. But Boston College had major objections to UConn, stemming from BC's move from the Big East to the ACC in 2005, some nasty comments and a lawsuit.

BC athletics director Gene DeFilippo seemingly confirmed what many had been reporting/presuming over the past month -- that BC blocked UConn from receiving an invite to the ACC.

"We didn't want them in,'' DeFilippo told the Globe. "It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.''

The fact that BC didn't want Uconn in the ACC seems pretty clear. However, Uconn fans like to forget three important points also associated with this issue:

1. Uconn was considered by many to be the lead in the lawsuit against BC, Miami, and the ACC in 2003-2004. BC and ACC leaders were sued PERSONALLY. The suit was based in Connecticut and conducted by the then-CT State Officials. See the attached and note the comments by these aforementioned CT State Officials. Boston College and Miami were exiting the Big East under the Big East's own exit provisions. You can imagine that the charges of "fraud" and "deceit" did not sit well with them.

https://www.wral.com/news/local/story/105570/

2. Boston College is ONE VOTE in the ACC. It is ludicrous to suggest that they alone had the power to derail Uconn getting into the ACC. (What is even more laughable is that these same Uconn fans often mocked BC as having no influence whatsoever in the ACC. Now, when it suits them, they portray BC as this all-powerful presence dictating ACC decisions.)

A number of other schools had to likewise not elect to extend an invitation to Uconn. Of course, since many of the ACC school and Conference officials back in 2003 are still around, could that also be a factor in the ultimate selections? It's just my opinion, of course, but maybe it wasn't such a good idea to take the vocal lead in a lawsuit filed PERSONALLY against ACC school and Conference officials, when you would, a few years later, be asking those same people to include you in their club.

Uconn fans in these threads seem to believe that nothing prior to the 2011 had anything to do with how events played out for them with the ACC. In my opinion, they are the ones who are deluding themsleves.

3. In my opinion, I do believe that the so-called "market block" was also a factor in this. So what? These type of "market blocks" are speculated about in these threads and elsewhere all the time. People often speculate on this being the reason any one of a number of ACC teams were not scooped up at one time or another by the SEC.

The funny thing is that many UMass fans claim that Uconn has exercised the same "market block" on Umass getting into the AAC. It is interesting to note that since Uconn elevated their program to FBS, they have played Umass only ONCE - and no future games are scheduled at this point. This is interesting as both are flagship schools in neighboring states that are the closest FBS programs to one another.

Personally, I think Uconn fans engage in a bit of hypocrisy bringing up this "market block" topic.

I concede that some may be hypocritical in that regard. I however am not and would welcome UMass into the AAC or an annual OOC game with them. I'd love to see UConn play UMass at Gillette every other year and actually feel at this juncture the two FBS state flagships in New England should be working in concert.

They opened the season against eachother last year. It was enjoyable, yet completely uncompetitive. Uconn is not running from local competition, and there has never been a report that UConn is blocking Umass from joining the AAC.

It's an imaginary hypocrisy. If UConn did block Umass eventually in their pursuit of AAC membership, I'd be embarassed for my alma mater. I just have a hard time seeing the AAC extend that invitation as things currently stand.
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I still think UCF would get taken more seriously if they were still Florida Tech or the University of Orlando as oppose to "some directional school from Florida". It cuts both ways, honestly. How seriously do you think Louisville would be taken if we were called something like University of Central Kentucky? When you have weaker "directional schools" in your state, it's hard to stand up and show that YOU are different from THEM. I think it's one reason too, why Memphis always finds itself in conversations discussing BigXII expansion despite how bad they've been in anything but basketball.

Knights fans may not like it or want to hear it, and I'm not saying whether it's right or it's wrong, but the name has an affect on the perception and in the hearts and minds of the people, perception = reality.
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The University of Central Florida whooped Baylor University.

Not CFU. Not UFO, not Orlando U, not Florida Tech.

#UCF
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(01-16-2014 04:05 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I still think UCF would get taken more seriously if they were still Florida Tech or the University of Orlando as oppose to "some directional school from Florida". It cuts both ways, honestly. How seriously do you think Louisville would be taken if we were called something like University of Central Kentucky? When you have weaker "directional schools" in your state, it's hard to stand up and show that YOU are different from THEM. I think it's one reason too, why Memphis always finds itself in conversations discussing BigXII expansion despite how bad they've been in anything but basketball.

Knights fans may not like it or want to hear it, and I'm not saying whether it's right or it's wrong, but the name has an affect on the perception and in the hearts and minds of the people, perception = reality.

I agree, and while it may not be fair, I think that is how the perception works nationally. Almost every state has directional public schools and they are generally not regarded as prominent. USF and UCF are the only true directional public schools ever to play in a BCS conference that I’m aware of. University of Orlando would serve UCF well. I know there is already of University of Tampa but maybe Tampa University or something, I don’t know.
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UCF's directional name doesn't bother me. Nor do schools names like Case Western Reserve and Slippery Rock.

With respect to UConn, I have to admit I wouldn't mind seeing it in the ACC. I think it would be pure entertainment value watching UConn and Boston College face each other, perhaps the equivalent of watching two bikini clad girls wrestling in mud.
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(01-16-2014 04:33 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  The University of Central Florida whooped Baylor University.

Not CFU. Not UFO, not Orlando U, not Florida Tech.

#UCF

And what's that gotten you? Don't get me wrong, it was a big win to be sure. Huge for your program. However, people don't see Central Florida winning as much as they see Baylor LOST to CENTRAL Florida. That's just the national perception of the whole thing...again, right or wrong, folks see Baylor losing to a directional Florida school instead of seeing the win for what it was. If you guys had a different name, I think folks would see it as an upset or big win, ect. and focus on the WIN over the loss.
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(01-16-2014 04:52 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 04:33 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  The University of Central Florida whooped Baylor University.

Not CFU. Not UFO, not Orlando U, not Florida Tech.

#UCF

And what's that gotten you? Don't get me wrong, it was a big win to be sure. Huge for your program. However, people don't see Central Florida winning as much as they see Baylor LOST to CENTRAL Florida. That's just the national perception of the whole thing...again, right or wrong, folks see Baylor losing to a directional Florida school instead of seeing the win for what it was. If you guys had a different name, I think folks would see it as an upset or big win, ect. and focus on the WIN over the loss.

I think your point about what if UofL was called Central KY illustrated it perfectly. What if Cincy was Southern Ohio U? Names are the most important part of a brand.
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(01-16-2014 01:03 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 11:00 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:55 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:49 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 10:46 AM)Underdog Wrote:  I posted this in another thread; however, it seems relevant to this one as well:

"The decision was made to include Pitt and Syracuse and exclude UConn.... ESPN - is the one who told us [the ACC] what to do.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/scandal-e...ce-2011-10

The part you missed is that ESPN wanted UConn and BC balked and said they would rather have Pitt because BC delusionally thinks they have a chance to claim New England as their own.

This may not be the full story, so you could be right. However, it's clearly stated that ESPN wanted only Pitt and Cuse in the ACC.....

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...ppo-espn/1

The ACC first targeted Syracuse, then UConn. But Boston College had major objections to UConn, stemming from BC's move from the Big East to the ACC in 2005, some nasty comments and a lawsuit.

BC athletics director Gene DeFilippo seemingly confirmed what many had been reporting/presuming over the past month -- that BC blocked UConn from receiving an invite to the ACC.

"We didn't want them in,'' DeFilippo told the Globe. "It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.''

The fact that BC didn't want Uconn in the ACC seems pretty clear. However, Uconn fans like to forget three important points also associated with this issue:

1. Uconn was considered by many to be the lead in the lawsuit against BC, Miami, and the ACC in 2003-2004. BC and ACC leaders were sued PERSONALLY. The suit was based in Connecticut and conducted by the then-CT State Officials. See the attached and note the comments by these aforementioned CT State Officials. Boston College and Miami were exiting the Big East under the Big East's own exit provisions. You can imagine that the charges of "fraud" and "deceit" did not sit well with them.

https://www.wral.com/news/local/story/105570/

2. Boston College is ONE VOTE in the ACC. It is ludicrous to suggest that they alone had the power to derail Uconn getting into the ACC. (What is even more laughable is that these same Uconn fans often mocked BC as having no influence whatsoever in the ACC. Now, when it suits them, they portray BC as this all-powerful presence dictating ACC decisions.)

A number of other schools had to likewise not elect to extend an invitation to Uconn. Of course, since many of the ACC school and Conference officials back in 2003 are still around, could that also be a factor in the ultimate selections? It's just my opinion, of course, but maybe it wasn't such a good idea to take the vocal lead in a lawsuit filed PERSONALLY against ACC school and Conference officials, when you would, a few years later, be asking those same people to include you in their club.

Uconn fans in these threads seem to believe that nothing prior to the 2011 had anything to do with how events played out for them with the ACC. In my opinion, they are the ones who are deluding themsleves.

3. In my opinion, I do believe that the so-called "market block" was also a factor in this. So what? These type of "market blocks" are speculated about in these threads and elsewhere all the time. People often speculate on this being the reason any one of a number of ACC teams were not scooped up at one time or another by the SEC.

The funny thing is that many UMass fans claim that Uconn has exercised the same "market block" on Umass getting into the AAC. It is interesting to note that since Uconn elevated their program to FBS, they have played Umass only ONCE - and no future games are scheduled at this point. This is interesting as both are flagship schools in neighboring states that are the closest FBS programs to one another.

Personally, I think Uconn fans engage in a bit of hypocrisy bringing up this "market block" topic.

You made a lot of great points in this post, but I want to key in on the part I put in bold.

It wouldn't have mattered if BC supported UConn or not, as you pointed out BC was only one vote and from what I have been told multiple times UConn didn't get anywhere near the votes for BC's vote to matter one way or another.
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