(12-26-2013 01:14 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 12:12 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 11:50 AM)UnitedWeFanTXST Wrote:  Dennis Franchione makes $400k. 5 year contract that started last May.

How Dennis has fallen from his glory days at Alabama and A&M.

What does a subscription to his newsletter cost nowadays?

I imagine Fran is fairly well set up. He actually isn't in it for the money this time. (believe what you will, your perrogative). This is his last coaching job so I don't think it was all about the money.
He has a nice home and he is comfortable at TXST. So far, what he has done in 3 years is ok by me. His job is to get TXST into FBS "shape" for the future and then move on. That's what he's doing.
I'm positive whoever replaces him will see bigger numbers.

(12-26-2013 01:22 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 01:14 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 12:12 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 11:50 AM)UnitedWeFanTXST Wrote:  Dennis Franchione makes $400k. 5 year contract that started last May.

How Dennis has fallen from his glory days at Alabama and A&M.

What does a subscription to his newsletter cost nowadays?

I imagine Fran is fairly well set up. He actually isn't in it for the money this time. (believe what you will, your perrogative). This is his last coaching job so I don't think it was all about the money.
He has a nice home and he is comfortable at TXST. So far, what he has done in 3 years is ok by me. His job is to get TXST into FBS "shape" for the future and then move on. That's what he's doing.
I'm positive whoever replaces him will see bigger numbers.

Sounds like John Brady and ASU Basketball.

(12-26-2013 01:22 AM)CatMom Wrote:  I imagine Fran is fairly well set up.

I'd bet my life on that.

Quote:This is his last coaching job so I don't think it was all about the money.

He is 62, will be 63 in March, so yes that is probably true just by virtue of his age.

I don't think his entire career, let alone his entire life, should be judged on the newsletter thing. But that was a remarkable glimpse into the world of how "big time" coaches operate when they get the chance. It's amazing that he (or anyone else) thought that would just slide by without objection from other people.

(12-25-2013 04:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 03:46 PM)TheMoody1 Wrote:  App State's Scott Satterfield’s contract is for four years, through the 2016 season, with an annual base salary of $225,000.

That would make him the lowest paid coach in FBS I believe.

Probably so. This is all the $ it takes to hire an alum with no head coaching experience or even a big time coordinator gig on his resume.

Time will tell if it was a good move.

(12-25-2013 04:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  


Here's asst coaches sorted by top to bottom






Here they are sorted by each school

Where did you find this at? USA Today had a great database but they stopped tracking a lot of the assistant salaries this year

NMSU HC Doug Martin makes a base salary of $363,000. Not sure what the potential bonuses are.

(12-25-2013 02:57 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Larry Blakeney is paid 475k.... He's not going anywhere so we don't have to pay him very high.

Bobby pierce (baseball coach) just got a contract extension and a big pay increase. I don't know exact numbers here but he's is the highest paid baseball coach in the SBC.

Phil Cunningham (basketball coach) is paid around 240k I believe.

As for baseball coaches, prior to the deal you say Bobby Pierce signed I think Tony Robichaux was the highest paid coach at $120K.

Paul Petrino is making about $400,000.

Seems like assistants pay is the big difference top to bottom.

A-state will have 2 in 300k range and 2 in 200k range. If Anderson does well ASU has more than enough cash to make him one of the highest paid in non-AQ

(12-26-2013 05:10 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  Seems like assistants pay is the big difference top to bottom.

A-state will have 2 in 300k range and 2 in 200k range. If Anderson does well ASU has more than enough cash to make him one of the highest paid in non-AQ

If we hire Glen Earbee out of UH as Co-OC, as some are saying, he wont make 300K. Now, if we manage to poach Walt Bell out of North Carolina...;yes...he'll get 300K.

If we hire MTSU's Joe Caruthen as DC as talk is, he wont make 300K either. I think we'll choose to hire a bunch of guys at around 200K rather than paying two guys 300K and 4 guys under 100K.

(12-26-2013 05:10 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  Seems like assistants pay is the big difference top to bottom.

A-state will have 2 in 300k range and 2 in 200k range. If Anderson does well ASU has more than enough cash to make him one of the highest paid in non-AQ

2nd contracts the school loses a lot of their bargaining power so with that higher pay comes a higher buyout if things go south. I look at it this way none of us can complete as far as paying a coach with the bottom of the bottom feeders from the BCS conferences. If that offer comes we will lose our coach...99% of the time

So it does ASU no good to pay much more than what they are now. When I say much I'm talking maybe another $200k tops and bonuses. All you are doing is setting up for a large buyout or getting stuck with a coach if it doesn't work out.

If your coach does well he knows from previous coaches he can get to the SEC or Big 12 or ACC or Big 10 from ASU. So he will not take the chance to jump to another non BCS school for 200k-300k jump in pay and go into a rebuilding mode.

So I can't see ASU paying over $900k knowing this...BCS comes calling or a "connection school" he's gone and ASU can't match anything to keep...nor should they. Everyone of our schools are in the same boat and unless we move our profiles to a national level then it's a bad decision to go over what you can afford to pay...long term and a buyout if it goes south

(12-26-2013 05:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 05:10 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  Seems like assistants pay is the big difference top to bottom.

A-state will have 2 in 300k range and 2 in 200k range. If Anderson does well ASU has more than enough cash to make him one of the highest paid in non-AQ

2nd contracts the school loses a lot of their bargaining power so with that higher pay comes a higher buyout if things go south. I look at it this way none of us can complete as far as paying a coach with the bottom of the bottom feeders from the BCS conferences. If that offer comes we will lose our coach...99% of the time

So it does ASU no good to pay much more than what they are now. When I say much I'm talking maybe another $200k tops and bonuses. All you are doing is setting up for a large buyout or getting stuck with a coach if it doesn't work out.

If your coach does well he knows from previous coaches he can get to the SEC or Big 12 or ACC or Big 10 from ASU. So he will not take the chance to jump to another non BCS school for 200k-300k jump in pay and go into a rebuilding mode.

So I can't see ASU paying over $900k knowing this...BCS comes calling or a "connection school" he's gone and ASU can't match anything to keep...nor should they. Everyone of our schools are in the same boat and unless we move our profiles to a national level then it's a bad decision to go over what you can afford to pay...long term and a buyout if it goes south

For the right coach, our administration will gladly pay well over 1 million. We're not nearly as worried about losing the cash as we are finding the best hire for the football program. If you listen to sources, we offered Morris right around what he was making at Clemson (1.3) for our HC job before he turned it down because he didn't want to move his daughter in her Senior Year.

Keep in mind ASU's buyouts are 1 way. If Anderson leaves us, he owes us 3 million. If he screws up and we have to terminate, we don't owe anything near that price unless it is after year 1. I think its 700K buyout on our end after year two, and something like 300K after year 3.

We're not taking near the risk that many think we are with these salaries. Especially when you consider that our donors do not give to Olympic Sports really at all. All Assistant contracts at ASU are 1 year, and none contain a buyout.

Wait WKUYG you really think we are stretched paying a coach 1Mill lol. We offered morris 1.25mill x5 year deal. At 700k Asu is being smarter knowing we can go get the better assistants to surround a Hc.

WKU fans have lots of strange beliefs about other programs.

What part of SECOND contracts do some of you have a hard time understanding. You just hired a unproven asst coach, unproven as a head coach, one that was hungry to step up from asst to HEAD COACH. The school has every advantage in that contract talk so yes you can put in high buyouts, for him to leave and low buyouts to get rid of him if he fails.


Now that's contact NUMBER ONE

Two years later after winning and he's the hot name of the day you go in and offer to pay him more and that will become the SECOND CONTRACT. This time around he's not the inexperience coach wanting the job...his values went up and so has his bargaining power. If you want the high buyout if he leaves you can bet your butt he wants the same if you fire him....he will get it.

ASU has a freaking 15million dollar budget and you will not compete with a BCS school to keep a coach it's not going to happen. None of us will be able to. Not ASU, not ULL, not WKU. This "buyout" money ASU got doesn't last forever and at 15 freaking million dollars for a budget you will make a choice when it comes to what you pay a head coach and asst coaches. You can bet the farm if you pay the coach 1.3 million your asst coaches pay will not be what it is today.

ASU is a stepping stone, ULL is a stepping stone, WKU is a stepping stone when it comes to coaches...especially when you hire the hot unproven asst coach, or a BP. NONE of us can compete with even the lowest BCS school when it comes to money or moving up the ladder. So there is no logical reason to break the bank to try and keep him...

Like I said what if it goes south and he starts losing you can bet that 2nd contract buyout will be a helluva lot higher than his first contract. Most college contracts has a form of a roll over year and what that means is unless something happens off the field or under the table recruiting the contract rolls over. A bad year in football usually isn't going to affect that for at least a couple years so getting rid of a coach with a high buyout isn't that easy.

Go to the Southern Illinois board and ask their fans what happens when you pay more than you can afford to buyout. It can destroy a program and take it years to recover. I can tell right now some of you have never ran a business and anyone that has and paid more for something than it can return....

probably are working for someone else today

My buddy got to ask a question while they were recording a radio interview with Coach Joey Jones.
He asked about his contract and Coach Jones said a new multi year deal is being worked out.
So he will probably be moving up the list a little thanks to the strong finish and the SBCOY award.


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(12-26-2013 09:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What part of SECOND contracts do some of you have a hard time understanding. You just hired a unproven asst coach, unproven as a head coach, one that was hungry to step up from asst to HEAD COACH. The school has every advantage in that contract talk so yes you can put in high buyouts, for him to leave and low buyouts to get rid of him if he fails.


Now that's contact NUMBER ONE

Two years later after winning and he's the hot name of the day you go in and offer to pay him more and that will become the SECOND CONTRACT. This time around he's not the inexperience coach wanting the job...his values went up and so has his bargaining power. If you want the high buyout if he leaves you can bet your butt he wants the same if you fire him....he will get it.

ASU has a freaking 15million dollar budget and you will not compete with a BCS school to keep a coach it's not going to happen. None of us will be able to. Not ASU, not ULL, not WKU. This "buyout" money ASU got doesn't last forever and at 15 freaking million dollars for a budget you will make a choice when it comes to what you pay a head coach and asst coaches. You can bet the farm if you pay the coach 1.3 million your asst coaches pay will not be what it is today.

ASU is a stepping stone, ULL is a stepping stone, WKU is a stepping stone when it comes to coaches...especially when you hire the hot unproven asst coach, or a BP. NONE of us can compete with even the lowest BCS school when it comes to money or moving up the ladder. So there is no logical reason to break the bank to try and keep him...

Like I said what if it goes south and he starts losing you can bet that 2nd contract buyout will be a helluva lot higher than his first contract. Most college contracts has a form of a roll over year and what that means is unless something happens off the field or under the table recruiting the contract rolls over. A bad year in football usually isn't going to affect that for at least a couple years so getting rid of a coach with a high buyout isn't that easy.

Go to the Southern Illinois board and ask their fans what happens when you pay more than you can afford to buyout. It can destroy a program and take it years to recover. I can tell right now some of you have never ran a business and anyone that has and paid more for something than it can return....

probably are working for someone else today

Strictly speaking, outside of simple renewals, ASU generally does not re-negotiate a contract until after the current deal expires.

I know what you are talking about. We made that mistake with Dickey Nutt, and I doubt we'll ever make that mistake again.

While AState has expressed a willingness to bump staff pay as high as $1.3 million for Anderson from what I'm hearing Anderson is expecting to come in well under that budget and will likely reallocate some of that money for other uses this year and then tap into it in future years for competitive raises or if he needs to replace someone who doesn't work out. Anderson is taking a real CEO approach from what I hear. Some of the guys he is hiring are in "quality control" positions currently so they are happy to jump on board for $70k to get an on-field coaching position in FBS.

The MAC has shown you can hire guys cheap and lose them to the bigs, AState has been toward the top of G5 and still loses them. I think the real story is learning how to allocate your assistant money. We can't match many on overall staff expense but you can make a couple guys competitive in salary and have to fill at the rest at low prices and hope they work out.

The range for head coaches in the Sun Belt seems to be from about $300,000 to $800,000. Even though that may not be enough to keep a coach who a P5 conference wants it is plenty to hire a high quality head coach. The reality is at this level of pay most schools if they are successful will not have head coaches for over 5 years. Of course if they are not good they won't last 5 years.

The key as chiefsfan says is to have money to hire quality assistants, particularly coordinators. If you can pay a coordinator somewhere from $200,000 and up the chances that the head coach is successful probably go up.

(12-25-2013 12:12 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 11:50 AM)UnitedWeFanTXST Wrote:  Dennis Franchione makes $400k. 5 year contract that started last May.

How Dennis has fallen from his glory days at Alabama and A&M.

Coach Joey Jones earns $371k. I would expect him to get a salary increase from that after this season. That is the best number I could find for him.

Do you think Jones gets to $425K?