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Despite the thumbnail, a pretty balanced assessment. A couple of things:

20:40 - "administrators in athletic departments" at 4 different ACC schools spoke candidly about not having much faith in Jim Phillips leadership and wish they had Brett Yormark.

21:50 - "what happens if you lose a NC school?" Must invite ECU, App St. or the ACC must pay back $15m.

(04-06-2024 07:33 AM)Garrettabc Wrote: [ -> ]



Despite the thumbnail, a pretty balanced assessment. A couple of things:

20:40 - "administrators in athletic departments" at 4 different ACC schools spoke candidly about not having much faith in Jim Phillips leadership and wish they had Brett Yormark.

21:50 - "what happens if you lose a NC school?" Must invite ECU, App St. or the ACC must pay back $15m.

That's false. What a moronic assertion

Garrett you seem attracted to the dumbest bastards with a pod cast.

People who want to know something about NC need to start in NC, not in a dumbasses office in Florida or from an internet dungeon in West Virginia.

The below is from the ABC affiliate in Charlotte:

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/how-ac...M54S5LUVI/
LOCAL
How the ACC headquarters landed in Charlotte
By Madison Carter, wsoctv.comSeptember 01, 2023 at 6:24 pm EDT
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How the ACC headquarters landed in Charlotte
CHARLOTTE — "The Atlantic Coast Conference made a big move into Uptown Charlotte earlier this week.
It was a relocation nearly two years in the making.
Investigative Reporter Madison Carter spent the past six months digging through more than 200 emails from North Carolina State, the City of Charlotte, and Mecklenburg County to see exactly what happened during negotiations.


In October of 2021, the newly appointed ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips announced the conference would be expanding its search for new headquarters. It had been in Greensboro, North Carolina, since the conference’s inception 70 years ago.

“Well, there was an opportunity,” said Danny Morrison, executive director of the Charlotte Sports Foundation. “The main thing was to keep the ACC in the state.”
While the organization didn’t play a financial role in recruiting, it was a major player in working to woo the conference to the Queen City.
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“Our mission is to bring high-profile sporting events to Charlotte that have economic impact and add to the quality of life,” Morrison said.
Carter learned it was the offer from the state that seemed to convince the conference to stay in North Carolina.
The Department of Commerce offered to put up $15 million in incentives from the economic development reserve if the conference chose a location in North Carolina.
Channel 9 reviewed several emails showing the offer captured the interest of the conference’s chief financial officer, Ben Tario.

In at least one email, state officials noted a request from Tario asking to negotiate the terms of the grant ahead of the state budget passing.
In September 2022, weeks before the decision was finalized, there was correspondence showing the ACC wanted to get the full amount upfront. The conference cited moving costs and the need to outfit its new headquarters in Uptown Charlotte.


Anything over $100,000 from the economic reserve fund is typically issued in installments, but after getting support from the North Carolina General Assembly, the exemption was issued.
“Economic development, business recruitment is a team sport,” said Tracy Dodson, assistant city manager for the City of Charlotte.
After the state’s offer, it was time for Charlotte and Mecklenburg County to sweeten the pot.
The county kicked in an extra $40,282 in grant money over three years from the business investment program.
The city put forth similar grant incentives in the amount of $40,282, although the Charlotte City Council hadn’t voted to approve the funds at the time of this article’s publication.

“It was a pretty long negotiation. I know that we were competitive, and I know that the ACC was looking at other locations besides Charlotte,” Mecklenburg County Manager Dena Diorio told Channel 9, speaking on the work to bring the conference to the city.
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Phillips told Carter about the final decision, saying, “In the end, the vibrancy of Charlotte, the ability to have a world-class airport, the media presence of people like you and others for us to tell our story, the recruitment and retention of talent, staffing, etc. was really high on a list and a city that was growing and headed in a direction that we felt matched with all of those other things.”

“We couldn’t be more excited to have this conference that was coming in 1953, now being here in Charlotte,” said Morrison.
With all the taxpayer money being put up, all parties that spoke to Channel 9 about the deal say the return on investment will be tenfold for residents.

“The economic impact every year is significant. We’ve been somewhere from 70 to $90 million over the years and we think we’ll have a significant number again this year,” Morrison said.
Mecklenburg County leaders project the ACC will create an additional 86 jobs and net the county nearly $300,000 in tax revenue by the end of its three-year grant allocation.
Right now, the conference is moving a staff of just over 50 people to Charlotte.
General Assembly leaders pointed to added jobs, taxable property, and economic activity as reasons for putting up so much state money.

But the ACC made several promises in exchange for receiving the $15 million it agreed to host several high-profile championships in the state.

Contract language promises that by the end of 2032, it will hold five men’s basketball championships (with at least three in Greensboro), five women’s basketball championships, four baseball championships, and 53 Olympic sport championships at various locations in the Tar Heel State.
That’s on top of already established ones like the conference football championship game at Charlotte’s Bank of America Stadium each year.
The ACC will report annually on its progress toward those goals.

If it fails to uphold its commitment, there are penalties that will kick in up to one million dollars per unfulfilled championship game.

But, in the end, Commissioner Phillips tells Carter it is his intention for the conference to contribute to more than just the economic footprint in the Queen City.
“We take very seriously our responsibility in the communities that we’ve been in, to give back to those less fortunate, to lend a helping hand to those in need,” Phillips said. “And so, this won’t be a one-sided affair where the ACC is looking for people to help the ACC. The ACC wants to go out and be an active member [of the community].”
A primetime ACC matchup with the SEC is slated for this weekend with the Duke’s Mayo Classic at Bank of America Stadium. You can watch the game on Channel 9 starting at 7:30 p.m. Saturday."

The moron on the podcast probably know that the description of the ACC is, using the 4 NC school definition of the ACC is not itself a definition of who the State of NC is in business with. He should also know that the a specific contract exists between the NC Department of Commerce, the City, the County, and the ACC - the ACC that is the entity, not the ACC that is 16-18 separate schools.

Are some of these FSU affiliated lawyers as dumb as they appear? That would be forgivable. The reality is they are liars and hucksters often purposely selling bull**** to take advantage of FSU fans. That gripes my ass.

The General Assembly sent no money to the ACC. They sent it to the NC Department of Commerce to then give it to the ACC with the usual strings.

I have directly dealt with 5 of those such things from the State of NC. The NC Department of Commerce makes it grant to the entity in coordination with the County and or the City, sometimes with the Feds as well. Your contract states what metrics you must meet. The change in ownership or directorship of the company don't change the agreement with the State.

The ACC has promised a number of things. If they don't deliver, the NC Department of Commerce through their office of Economic Development will formulate a penalty, commonly referred to as a clawback. If a meteor falls in Winston Salem and Wake Forest is destroyed, the ACC is under no obligation to invite App State. None, zero. The ACC in fact did not promise certain schools for a damn thing. They promised venues in the state for events, jobs in Charlotte, and the ACC, whatever the ACC is in the future.

This has become a race to the bottom of stupid. Who can write or say the most outrageous thing in order to stir up a fan base or divert from the fact that some fan bases are poor RELATIVE to others. FSU, Clemson, NC State, VT, Auburn, MSU, Ole Miss, and I would go so far as to add Florida and Bama are all examples of schools whose resources are relatively poor compared to the Duke, Stanford's, TAMUs, Texas, OUs, Michigan, and ND of the world.

If you need to sell this years football and basketball tickets to pay for football and basketball you are relatively poor compared to schools with a **** ton of more resources. How hard you work is irrelevant. If you have a PhD or 10th grade education is irrelevant. That you are a nice person and go to Wednesday night Church is irrelevant.

Now I would appreciate being left alone to suffer what should be a second final four loss in as many days.

Some of the tidbits…
- confirmed that the ACC schools did formally vote and approve (at least 10 of 15 schools) the lawsuit versus FSU prior to the amended filing in February
- the parties are spending a lot on lawyers. The three parties (FSU, ACC & ESPN) were represented by 16 lawyers during the court proceedings…including a former FL Supreme Court justice.

Some opinions from the FSU reporter/supporter…
- belief that the ACC can’t financially settle with FSU for less than $300M to $350M for GOR, plus exit fees. Otherwise the settlement becomes a “blueprint” for other schools to leave.
- belief that UNC could join with a lawsuit versus the ACC sometime this summer.


IMO, the whole riff/discussion about the $15M potential clawback by the state of NC is idiotic. It reinforces that this video is mainly about the clicks and entertainment value. The reporter admits that court proceedings will take a “very long time”, that UNC has not formally indicated that it wants to leave, that UNC would have to leave within a few years, and that the ACC would demand that UNC would pay at least $500M. Yet he spends the most time suggesting/joking that the ACC needs to start vetting App State, ECU, etc. as replacements. The general aim is to destroy the ACC by throwing as much mud against the walls as possible…typical FSU approach.

(04-06-2024 04:38 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]Some of the tidbits…
- confirmed that the ACC schools did formally vote and approve (at least 10 of 15 schools) the lawsuit versus FSU prior to the amended filing in February
- the parties are spending a lot on lawyers. The three parties (FSU, ACC & ESPN) were represented by 16 lawyers during the court proceedings…including a former FL Supreme Court justice.

Some opinions from the FSU reporter/supporter…
- belief that the ACC can’t financially settle with FSU for less than $300M to $350M for GOR, plus exit fees. Otherwise the settlement becomes a “blueprint” for other schools to leave.
- belief that UNC could join with a lawsuit versus the ACC sometime this summer.


IMO, the whole riff/discussion about the $15M potential clawback by the state of NC is idiotic. It reinforces that this video is mainly about the clicks and entertainment value. The reporter admits that court proceedings will take a “very long time”, that UNC has not formally indicated that it wants to leave, that UNC would have to leave within a few years, and that the ACC would demand that UNC would pay at least $500M. Yet he spends the most time suggesting/joking that the ACC needs to start vetting App State, ECU, etc. as replacements. The general aim is to destroy the ACC by throwing as much mud against the walls as possible…typical FSU approach.

I predicted that the ACC's bottom line settlement figure was $350 million when the lawsuits were filed.

Author: Tony Siracusa (CFB Managing Editor)
Tony has been with Last Word on Sports for six years covering college football around the country. A native of Southern California, now living in North Carolina, he has been working in broadcast, print and digital media for nearly 30 years. He is a member of the Football Writers Association of America, and is a voting panelist for the Outland Trophy, the Nagurski Award, and the Biletnikoff Award. He can also be found on twitter @tonybruin

https://lastwordonsports.com/collegefoot...ntributor/

Why would he lie? How could he have missed so badly?

(04-06-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote: [ -> ]Author: Tony Siracusa (CFB Managing Editor)
Tony has been with Last Word on Sports for six years covering college football around the country. A native of Southern California, now living in North Carolina, he has been working in broadcast, print and digital media for nearly 30 years. He is a member of the Football Writers Association of America, and is a voting panelist for the Outland Trophy, the Nagurski Award, and the Biletnikoff Award. He can also be found on twitter @tonybruin

https://lastwordonsports.com/collegefoot...ntributor/

Why would he lie? How could he have missed so badly?

My conclusion is that he knows what he is saying is probably wrong but he is simply part of the complex of today's vendors that strip fools of their money. You can make a lot of money telling lies in the media. The skilled orator will do it in such a way as to leave himself an out that you usually only find in the transcript. Here are some:

"I don't know, but ____________"
"I think someone told me ____________"
"I could be wrong but _____________"
"It has been reported that ______________"
"Sources say ________________________"

People's minds are set up to construct the part of the message that is not actually conveyed by words. People fill in the blanks - often with nothing but bull **** and lies someone told them. The speaker of the podcaster is tossing out "trust me" cues that are often called "dog whistles". If you have not been forced by your formal education or career to dig into and deconstruct stuff like this, you don't, you aren't met to as a species.

Controversy gets hits and hits sell advertising and advertising pays the bills. Truth is often boring.

(04-06-2024 08:44 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-06-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote: [ -> ]Author: Tony Siracusa (CFB Managing Editor)
Tony has been with Last Word on Sports for six years covering college football around the country. A native of Southern California, now living in North Carolina, he has been working in broadcast, print and digital media for nearly 30 years. He is a member of the Football Writers Association of America, and is a voting panelist for the Outland Trophy, the Nagurski Award, and the Biletnikoff Award. He can also be found on twitter @tonybruin

https://lastwordonsports.com/collegefoot...ntributor/

Why would he lie? How could he have missed so badly?

My conclusion is that he knows what he is saying is probably wrong but he is simply part of the complex of today's vendors that strip fools of their money. You can make a lot of money telling lies in the media. The skilled orator will do it in such a way as to leave himself an out that you usually only find in the transcript. Here are some:

"I don't know, but ____________"
"I think someone told me ____________"
"I could be wrong but _____________"
"It has been reported that ______________"
"Sources say ________________________"

People's minds are set up to construct the part of the message that is not actually conveyed by words. People fill in the blanks - often with nothing but bull **** and lies someone told them. The speaker of the podcaster is tossing out "trust me" cues that are often called "dog whistles". If you have not been forced by your formal education or career to dig into and deconstruct stuff like this, you don't, you aren't met to as a species.

Controversy gets hits and hits sell advertising and advertising pays the bills. Truth is often boring.

He does not construct any sentences like that in your examples so he can back peddle later.

Neither guy is a FSU fan as far as I know, unless proven otherwise, they do not seem to have an FSU bias.

Here is the actual text of the appropriation bill combined with the definitions:


https://www.ncleg.gov/Sessions/2021/Bill...H103v4.pdf

COLLEGIATE SPORTS EMPLOYER RETENTION FUNDS Page 118 House Bill 103-Ratified SECTION 11.8.(a) Appropriation. – Provided the Department of Commerce enters into an agreement comporting with the requirements of subsection (b) of this section with a qualifying collegiate sports employer, there is appropriated from the Economic Development Project Reserve established in Section 2.2 of S.L. 2021-180 to the Department of Commerce (Department) for the 2022-2023 fiscal year the sum of fifteen million dollars ($15,000,000) in nonrecurring funds to be granted to a qualifying collegiate sports employer that is procuring and upfitting a new headquarters located in the State.
The provisions of G.S. 143C-6-23(d) and the rules adopted pursuant thereto do not apply to the funds appropriated in this section.
The definitions of G.S. 143B-437.51 apply in this subsection, and, as used in this section, the term "qualifying collegiate sports employer" is an entity with four charter members that are institutions of higher education in the State that meets the following requirements: (1) The entity will locate and occupy within the State its headquarters facility for a continuous period of at least 15 years. (2) The entity is a regional collegiate sports nonprofit organization and governing body that is responsible for staging and holding championship events for its members in the State. The championship events held within the State by the conclusion of the 2032-33 academic year must include all of the following: a. Four men's collegiate basketball postseason championship tournaments in addition to those already scheduled at the time the agreement is entered. At least two of the tournaments required by this sub-subdivision must be held in the City of Greensboro. b. Four women's collegiate basketball postseason championship tournaments in addition to those already scheduled at the time the agreement is entered. c. Four men's collegiate baseball postseason championship tournaments in addition to those already scheduled at the time the agreement is entered. d. Twenty other collegiate postseason championship tournaments in addition to those already scheduled at the time the agreement is entered or otherwise are already slated to be held in the State as a result of a set cycle of championship tournaments in the sport among the members of the qualifying collegiate sports employer. (3) The entity will report to the Department annually on June 1 of each year following the year the agreement is entered on the number of championship tournaments required by subdivision (2) of this subsection that have been fulfilled. The report required by this subdivision may cease in the year after the year in which the entity reports all such championship tournament requirements have been fulfilled. SECTION 11.8.(b) Agreement. – The Department shall enter into an agreement with the entity identified in subsection (a) of this section. The agreement is binding and constitutes a continuing contractual obligation of the State and the entity benefitted by the funds allocated for improving the project site. The agreement must include all of the performance criteria, remedies, and other safeguards required by the Department to secure the State's benefit derived from improvements to the headquarters site funded by this section and must require the entity to repay a proportionate amount of the grant, using the metric least fulfilled in the agreement, for failure by the entity to meet and maintain the applicable performance criteria on which the grant was based. SECTION 11.8.© Report. – On September 1 of each year requirements set forth in the agreement entered into pursuant to subsection (b) of this section remain unfulfilled, the Department shall report to the House of Representatives and the Senate committee or subcommittee responsible for natural and economic resources, to the Joint Legislative Economic House Bill 103-Ratified Page 119 Development and Global Engagement Oversight Committee, and to the Fiscal Research Division. The report shall include an executive summary of the performance criteria, remedies, and safeguards required by the Department, a description of the current status of the project, the amount of grant paid under the agreement, and the number and classification of postseason championship tournaments required and held in this State.

§ 143B 437.51. Definitions. The following definitions apply in this Part: (1) Agreement. – A community economic development agreement under G.S. 143B 437.57. (2) Base period. – The period of time set by the Committee during which new employees are to be hired for the positions on which the grant is based. (3) Business. – A corporation, sole proprietorship, cooperative association, partnership, S corporation, limited liability company, nonprofit corporation, or other form of business organization, located either within or outside this State. (4) Committee. – The Economic Investment Committee established pursuant to G.S. 143B 437.54. (4a) Development tier. – The classification assigned to an area pursuant to G.S. 143B 437.08. (5) Eligible position. – A position created by a business and filled by a new full time employee in this State during the base period. For purposes of high yield projects, transitional projects, and transformative projects, (i) positions created in the year the business achieves the minimum requirements set forth in this section may be considered eligible positions even if created outside the base period and (ii) in a year other than during the base period, an eligible position must be filled for at least 30 weeks of the applicable grant year. (5a) Expansion position. – A position created by a business and filled by a new full time employee in this State in Phase II of a transitional project or for a transformative project in any year in which the business receives the enhanced percentage of the withholdings of eligible positions pursuant to G.S. 143B 437.56(a). (6) Full time employee. – A person who is employed for consideration for at least 35 hours a week, whose wages are subject to withholding under Article 4A of Chapter 105 of the General Statutes, who is not a worker with an H 1B visa or with H 1B status, and who is determined by the Committee to be employed in a permanent position according to criteria it develops in consultation with the Attorney General. Except as allowed by this Part for system contractors, the term does not include any person who works as an independent contractor or on a consulting basis for the business. (6a) High yield project. – A project for which the agreement requires that a business invest at least five hundred million dollars ($500,000,000) in private funds and create at least 1,750 eligible positions. (7) New employee. – A full time employee who represents a net increase in the number of the business’s employees statewide. (8) Overdue tax debt. – Defined in G.S. 105 243.1. (9) Related member. – Defined in G.S. 105 130.7A. (9a) System contractor. – A person employed by an entity that contracts with a business with which an agreement for a high yield, transitional, or transformative project was entered into for the purpose of providing full time employees exclusively located at and directly engaged in the primary operations of the project if all of the following criteria are met: a. The number ofsystem contractors used does not exceed fifteen percent (15%) of the eligible positions and is not used to fill expansion positions. G.S. 143B-437.51 Page 2 b. System contractors, other than in designation, meet all other requirements applicable to full time employees of the business filling eligible positions. c. The entity providing system contractors certifies to the business that it meets the same requirements imposed by this Part on the business with respect to system contractors provided at the project site, and the business agrees to procure from the entity and provide to either the Department of Revenue or the Department, upon request, any documentation needed to verify the requirements. d. The entity providing the system contractors and the business are not related members and are not, directly or indirectly, affiliated in any way. (9b) Transformative project. – A project for which the agreement requires that a business invest at least one billion dollars ($1,000,000,000) in private funds and create at least 3,000 eligible positions. (9c) Transitional project. – A project for which the agreement requires the following: a. Phase I. – That a business invest at least one billion dollars ($1,000,000,000) in private funds and create at least 1,750 eligible positions. b. Phase II. – That a business, upon exercising an option in the agreement during the first 36 months of the agreement term to expand the project, increase the investment of private funds to at least three billion dollars ($3,000,000,000) and increase job creation to at least 3,875 eligible positions. Exercise of an option under this sub subdivision is contingent upon the business meeting and maintaining Phase I requirements at and beyond the end of the applicable base period for Phase I set forth in the agreement. Notice of exercising the option must be in writing to the Department. (10) Withholdings. – The amount withheld by a business from the wages of employees in eligible positions and, if applicable, expansion positions under Article 4A of Chapter 105 of the General Statutes. (2002 172, s. 2.1(a); 2003 416, s. 2; 2003 435, 2nd Ex. Sess., s. 2.1; 2006 168, s. 1.1; 2006 252, s. 2.6; 2006 264, s. 69(a); 2015 259, s. 1(a); 2015 264, s. 91(a); 2017 57, s. 15.15A(a); 2018 5, s. 15.1(a); 2021 180, s. 11.19(e).)

(04-06-2024 04:58 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-06-2024 04:38 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]Some of the tidbits…
- confirmed that the ACC schools did formally vote and approve (at least 10 of 15 schools) the lawsuit versus FSU prior to the amended filing in February
- the parties are spending a lot on lawyers. The three parties (FSU, ACC & ESPN) were represented by 16 lawyers during the court proceedings…including a former FL Supreme Court justice.

Some opinions from the FSU reporter/supporter…
- belief that the ACC can’t financially settle with FSU for less than $300M to $350M for GOR, plus exit fees. Otherwise the settlement becomes a “blueprint” for other schools to leave.
- belief that UNC could join with a lawsuit versus the ACC sometime this summer.


IMO, the whole riff/discussion about the $15M potential clawback by the state of NC is idiotic. It reinforces that this video is mainly about the clicks and entertainment value. The reporter admits that court proceedings will take a “very long time”, that UNC has not formally indicated that it wants to leave, that UNC would have to leave within a few years, and that the ACC would demand that UNC would pay at least $500M. Yet he spends the most time suggesting/joking that the ACC needs to start vetting App State, ECU, etc. as replacements. The general aim is to destroy the ACC by throwing as much mud against the walls as possible…typical FSU approach.

I predicted that the ACC's bottom line settlement figure was $350 million when the lawsuits were filed.

I see $300 million to $350 million figures a lot. But I think that’s all from FSU side source because that’s the figure they want to settle with.

It took me 90 minutes to run this down because the bill is purposely titled in such a way as to make it difficult to find. That's how the NC General Assembly rolls. It's funded in an off year appropriation.

The consideration that the State of NC is getting is 4 ACC basketball tourney's 2 in Charlotte and 2 in Greensboro. It's getting 4 ACC women's basketball tournaments. It gets 20 other championships in addition to these and the football championship.

(04-06-2024 10:39 PM)random asian guy Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-06-2024 04:58 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-06-2024 04:38 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]Some of the tidbits…
- confirmed that the ACC schools did formally vote and approve (at least 10 of 15 schools) the lawsuit versus FSU prior to the amended filing in February
- the parties are spending a lot on lawyers. The three parties (FSU, ACC & ESPN) were represented by 16 lawyers during the court proceedings…including a former FL Supreme Court justice.

Some opinions from the FSU reporter/supporter…
- belief that the ACC can’t financially settle with FSU for less than $300M to $350M for GOR, plus exit fees. Otherwise the settlement becomes a “blueprint” for other schools to leave.
- belief that UNC could join with a lawsuit versus the ACC sometime this summer.


IMO, the whole riff/discussion about the $15M potential clawback by the state of NC is idiotic. It reinforces that this video is mainly about the clicks and entertainment value. The reporter admits that court proceedings will take a “very long time”, that UNC has not formally indicated that it wants to leave, that UNC would have to leave within a few years, and that the ACC would demand that UNC would pay at least $500M. Yet he spends the most time suggesting/joking that the ACC needs to start vetting App State, ECU, etc. as replacements. The general aim is to destroy the ACC by throwing as much mud against the walls as possible…typical FSU approach.

I predicted that the ACC's bottom line settlement figure was $350 million when the lawsuits were filed.

I see $300 million to $350 million figures a lot. But I think that’s all from FSU side source because that’s the figure they want to settle with.

The main problem with a GOR value is that it undefined and subject to the future vagaries of other's actions. GOR value of someone who can exit and cause instability is greater than someone who can leave an not be noticed.

WF has the lowest GOR value in the ACC - they are the 4th school in NC. They don't have a top 20 football and basketball program. They have a small alumni base.

Clemson and UNC have the highest - their exits would be destabilizing and one has a top 10 football program and the other a top 10 basketball program. But even these values which are just guesses, change depending on who and how many.

There is no formula set for estimating the value of the GOR. It's simply not contemplated in the documents. What is the ACC's legal right to even make a deal with FSU without ESPN's direct involvement.

If winning a coin toss is a 'blow' then yeah, I guess it's a blow.

Any ruling marks progress toward settlement. At the end of the day, Clemson and Florida State (and possibly North Carolina) will leave the ACC.

(04-07-2024 12:25 AM)Gitanole Wrote: [ -> ]If winning a coin toss is a 'blow' then yeah, I guess it's a blow.

Any ruling marks progress toward settlement. At the end of the day, Clemson and Florida State (and possibly North Carolina) will leave the ACC.

Watch the video, despite the headline and thumbnail, the interview tells a more balanced story.

(04-07-2024 07:04 AM)Garrettabc Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2024 12:25 AM)Gitanole Wrote: [ -> ]If winning a coin toss is a 'blow' then yeah, I guess it's a blow.

Any ruling marks progress toward settlement. At the end of the day, Clemson and Florida State (and possibly North Carolina) will leave the ACC.

Watch the video, despite the headline and thumbnail, the interview tells a more balanced story.

Oh, yes. Tony Siracusa, the guest, has done his homework.

That link again:
https://youtu.be/LrRLSzd8lCc

(04-07-2024 12:25 AM)Gitanole Wrote: [ -> ]If winning a coin toss is a 'blow' then yeah, I guess it's a blow.

Any ruling marks progress toward settlement. At the end of the day, Clemson and Florida State (and possibly North Carolina) will leave the ACC.

Eventually, yes, FSU and Clemson will leave. I'm skeptical that they'll shell out $500m to leave immediately, though. Neither is a wildly wealthy school, so they don't just have that kind of cash sitting around.

(04-07-2024 02:44 PM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2024 12:25 AM)Gitanole Wrote: [ -> ]If winning a coin toss is a 'blow' then yeah, I guess it's a blow.

Any ruling marks progress toward settlement. At the end of the day, Clemson and Florida State (and possibly North Carolina) will leave the ACC.

Eventually, yes, FSU and Clemson will leave. I'm skeptical that they'll shell out $500m to leave immediately, though. Neither is a wildly wealthy school, so they don't just have that kind of cash sitting around.

Don’t start something you can’t finish.

If FSU and Clemson lose, as I think fans of both schools are starting to realize is likely, and the two schools have to stay in the ACC, all they’ll end up doing is hurting their conference and themselves.

(04-07-2024 03:54 PM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2024 02:44 PM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2024 12:25 AM)Gitanole Wrote: [ -> ]If winning a coin toss is a 'blow' then yeah, I guess it's a blow.

Any ruling marks progress toward settlement. At the end of the day, Clemson and Florida State (and possibly North Carolina) will leave the ACC.

Eventually, yes, FSU and Clemson will leave. I'm skeptical that they'll shell out $500m to leave immediately, though. Neither is a wildly wealthy school, so they don't just have that kind of cash sitting around.

Don’t start something you can’t finish.

If FSU and Clemson lose, as I think fans of both schools are starting to realize is likely, and the two schools have to stay in the ACC, all they’ll end up doing is hurting their conference and themselves.

Clemson's litigation asks some legitimate questions. The problem is that the answers to some of the questions is that its what the Commissioner says it is unless 10, 12, 13, or 14 of the members (as the league goes from 15-18) force a different answer out of the mouth or off the desk of the Commissioner.

The ACC like the US Government with the current electoral system, is a minority rule thing. The minority have the ability to block most anything and it takes distinct majorities to do something new or radical. Y'all should read the ACC's bylaws it's like the DAR meets the US Senate. The result is an almost all powerful executive who is forced to act unilaterally to overcome inertia.

(04-07-2024 07:49 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

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(04-07-2024 12:25 AM)Gitanole Wrote: [ -> ]If winning a coin toss is a 'blow' then yeah, I guess it's a blow.

Any ruling marks progress toward settlement. At the end of the day, Clemson and Florida State (and possibly North Carolina) will leave the ACC.

Eventually, yes, FSU and Clemson will leave. I'm skeptical that they'll shell out $500m to leave immediately, though. Neither is a wildly wealthy school, so they don't just have that kind of cash sitting around.

Don’t start something you can’t finish.

If FSU and Clemson lose, as I think fans of both schools are starting to realize is likely, and the two schools have to stay in the ACC, all they’ll end up doing is hurting their conference and themselves.

Clemson's litigation asks some legitimate questions. The problem is that the answers to some of the questions is that its what the Commissioner says it is unless 10, 12, 13, or 14 of the members (as the league goes from 15-18) force a different answer out of the mouth or off the desk of the Commissioner.

The ACC like the US Government with the current electoral system, is a minority rule thing. The minority have the ability to block most anything and it takes distinct majorities to do something new or radical. Y'all should read the ACC's bylaws it's like the DAR meets the US Senate. The result is an almost all powerful executive who is forced to act unilaterally to overcome inertia.

In your fantasy world do most ACC members prefer to not resist FSU and CU leaving?