The ACC and Big12 agree to pick up the slack where they used to play an FCS team, they play a G5 instead. G5 teams pick up that extra FCS game that the ACC and B12 used to play.
The SEC and B1G will have to play each other more or weaken their SoS with a second FCS game.
(03-15-2024 01:23 PM)Garrettabc Wrote: [ -> ]The ACC and Big12 agree to pick up the slack where they used to play an FCS team, they play a G5 instead. G5 teams pick up that extra FCS game that the ACC and B12 used to play.
The SEC and B1G will have to play each other more or weaken their SoS with a second FCS game.
lol funny. $ talks.
It was ******* UNANIMOUS. Means all the G5 agreed to it.
If that was attempted, that’s exactly where the Big Ten and SEC say, “We now need 4 AQs each or we’re breaking away.”
I know everyone outside of the P2 either doesn’t want to hear it or are in denial, but everyone outside of the P2 is who would get destroyed in a breakaway. That’s not to say that I think that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off (as I personally don’t), but the P2 can survive in any format in a way that the G5 certainly can’t and the M2 probably can’t. These other leagues are facing financial suicide if the P2 leave, so they’re agreeing to pretty much everything that the P2 is asking for on the financial front.
Generating more divisiveness is not the way to go. A little flexibility on OOC games that can make sense is not necessarily negative in the grand scope of scheduling.
This would be suicide for the g5, immediate breakaway and separate playoff for the P2. No way in hell this would ever be considered.
This thread will serve as the impetus for a G5 revolt. One of the G5 AD's will read this thread, email it to other G5 ADs, and through word-of-mouth will gain traction as all G5s stand unanimously in solidarity.
the G5 receives 115 million/yr from the CFP with just 1 representative most years
the entire NCAA sans NCAA Men's Basketball gets 115/yr for their championships. It is more lucrative for the G5 to get a small percentage than to branch out on their own.
(03-15-2024 02:07 PM)Glenn360 Wrote: [ -> ]the G5 receives 115 million/yr from the CFP with just 1 representative most years
the entire NCAA sans NCAA Men's Basketball gets 115/yr for their championships. It is more lucrative for the G5 to get a small percentage than to branch out on their own.
of course.
The G5 isn't going to **** themselves just to help the ACC.
(03-15-2024 01:57 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]This thread will serve as the impetus for a G5 revolt. One of the G5 AD's will read this thread, email it to other G5 ADs, and through word-of-mouth will gain traction as all G5s stand unanimously in solidarity.
g5 unite!
No G5 will refuse to play against the P2. But as it has been happening for the past few years, the $$ to play a G5 team at home with a 1 and done will be more expensive.
I'm telling you, Kent State is not going to shoot themselves in the foot in getting three buy game guarantees by cutting themselves off from half of the buy game market.
If this proposal were to filter across to MAC Presidents, the response would likely be, "you have fun with that AAC/MWC, we're not joining any such strike action."
(03-15-2024 01:52 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote: [ -> ]Generating more divisiveness is not the way to go. A little flexibility on OOC games that can make sense is not necessarily negative in the grand scope of scheduling.
The P2 already made it very divisiveness in college sports. The P2 is becoming the laughing stock in college sports when some of the better programs are in the Big 12, ACC and the G5 than some of their teams.
They already pay more for a single game then we get in a years worth of media dollars, they can peel off another half million and someone will break ranks.
(03-15-2024 01:39 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]If that was attempted, that’s exactly where the Big Ten and SEC say, “We now need 4 AQs each or we’re breaking away.”
I know everyone outside of the P2 either doesn’t want to hear it or are in denial, but everyone outside of the P2 is who would get destroyed in a breakaway. That’s not to say that I think that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off (as I personally don’t), but the P2 can survive in any format in a way that the G5 certainly can’t and the M2 probably can’t. These other leagues are facing financial suicide if the P2 leave, so they’re agreeing to pretty much everything that the P2 is asking for on the financial front.
It wouldn't hit everyone the same. ODU rarely plays teams from either conference, we'd lose future NCAA credits and CFP money. What's that? 2.5M/year if the system collapsed? Other's rely on those buy games from the big conferences to make ends meet. And the M2 would lose a lot more because they're getting a lot more. But I'm not sure if the P2 are captivating enough to make the money they're making now on their own once the numbers come in. Even with all the best brands in college sports that's still well under half the college fans in the country. B12 fans gonna watch the P2 championships? It'd be a disastrous move by both sides but some of us don't have the bills to pay that Ohio State and Bama do and have been doing it without huge media money. If that well runs dry who will it hurt the worse?
If the G5s and FCSs refused to play P5s, it would absolutely hurt P5 programs.
A bunch of 6 and 7 win teams in the P5 would suddenly be 3 or 4 win teams (counting P5 bowl wins against G5s). That might not sound like much, but it would make a difference in fan interest and perception, which is what this is all about.
(03-15-2024 03:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 01:39 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]If that was attempted, that’s exactly where the Big Ten and SEC say, “We now need 4 AQs each or we’re breaking away.”
I know everyone outside of the P2 either doesn’t want to hear it or are in denial, but everyone outside of the P2 is who would get destroyed in a breakaway. That’s not to say that I think that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off (as I personally don’t), but the P2 can survive in any format in a way that the G5 certainly can’t and the M2 probably can’t. These other leagues are facing financial suicide if the P2 leave, so they’re agreeing to pretty much everything that the P2 is asking for on the financial front.
It wouldn't hit everyone the same. ODU rarely plays teams from either conference, we'd lose future NCAA credits and CFP money. What's that? 2.5M/year if the system collapsed? Other's rely on those buy games from the big conferences to make ends meet. And the M2 would lose a lot more because they're getting a lot more. But I'm not sure if the P2 are captivating enough to make the money they're making now on their own once the numbers come in. Even with all the best brands in college sports that's still well under half the college fans in the country. B12 fans gonna watch the P2 championships? It'd be a disastrous move by both sides but some of us don't have the bills to pay that Ohio State and Bama do and have been doing it without huge media money. If that well runs dry who will it hurt the worse?
You’re not looking at the future expense side: the Dartmouth basketball team ruling essentially means every single Division I program is probably going to be subject to an employer-employee relationship with their athletes. The courts and regulatory bodies seemingly don’t care about whether teams make revenue or not or even provide athletic scholarships (as Dartmouth and the other Ivies don’t).
The point is that there isn’t an “opting out” other than downgrading to club sports. There is no lower division that’s going to avoid these employee costs, which means that schools that don’t maximize revenue are going to get buried.
Once again, I’m not saying that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off. The risks that you’ve mentioned are real, but you may be underestimating the expense side that is likely going to skyrocket for every Division I program, which means everyone needs every cent of revenue that they can possibly get.
(03-15-2024 03:50 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 03:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 01:39 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]If that was attempted, that’s exactly where the Big Ten and SEC say, “We now need 4 AQs each or we’re breaking away.”
I know everyone outside of the P2 either doesn’t want to hear it or are in denial, but everyone outside of the P2 is who would get destroyed in a breakaway. That’s not to say that I think that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off (as I personally don’t), but the P2 can survive in any format in a way that the G5 certainly can’t and the M2 probably can’t. These other leagues are facing financial suicide if the P2 leave, so they’re agreeing to pretty much everything that the P2 is asking for on the financial front.
It wouldn't hit everyone the same. ODU rarely plays teams from either conference, we'd lose future NCAA credits and CFP money. What's that? 2.5M/year if the system collapsed? Other's rely on those buy games from the big conferences to make ends meet. And the M2 would lose a lot more because they're getting a lot more. But I'm not sure if the P2 are captivating enough to make the money they're making now on their own once the numbers come in. Even with all the best brands in college sports that's still well under half the college fans in the country. B12 fans gonna watch the P2 championships? It'd be a disastrous move by both sides but some of us don't have the bills to pay that Ohio State and Bama do and have been doing it without huge media money. If that well runs dry who will it hurt the worse?
You’re not looking at the future expense side: the Dartmouth basketball team ruling essentially means every single Division I program is probably going to be subject to an employer-employee relationship with their athletes. The courts and regulatory bodies seemingly don’t care about whether teams make revenue or not or even provide athletic scholarships (as Dartmouth and the other Ivies don’t).
The point is that there isn’t an “opting out” other than downgrading to club sports. There is no lower division that’s going to avoid these employee costs, which means that schools that don’t maximize revenue are going to get buried.
Once again, I’m not saying that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off. The risks that you’ve mentioned are real, but you may be underestimating the expense side that is likely going to skyrocket for every Division I program, which means everyone needs every cent of revenue that they can possibly get.
Which additional costs specifically are you referring to?
(03-15-2024 04:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 03:50 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 03:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 01:39 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]If that was attempted, that’s exactly where the Big Ten and SEC say, “We now need 4 AQs each or we’re breaking away.”
I know everyone outside of the P2 either doesn’t want to hear it or are in denial, but everyone outside of the P2 is who would get destroyed in a breakaway. That’s not to say that I think that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off (as I personally don’t), but the P2 can survive in any format in a way that the G5 certainly can’t and the M2 probably can’t. These other leagues are facing financial suicide if the P2 leave, so they’re agreeing to pretty much everything that the P2 is asking for on the financial front.
It wouldn't hit everyone the same. ODU rarely plays teams from either conference, we'd lose future NCAA credits and CFP money. What's that? 2.5M/year if the system collapsed? Other's rely on those buy games from the big conferences to make ends meet. And the M2 would lose a lot more because they're getting a lot more. But I'm not sure if the P2 are captivating enough to make the money they're making now on their own once the numbers come in. Even with all the best brands in college sports that's still well under half the college fans in the country. B12 fans gonna watch the P2 championships? It'd be a disastrous move by both sides but some of us don't have the bills to pay that Ohio State and Bama do and have been doing it without huge media money. If that well runs dry who will it hurt the worse?
You’re not looking at the future expense side: the Dartmouth basketball team ruling essentially means every single Division I program is probably going to be subject to an employer-employee relationship with their athletes. The courts and regulatory bodies seemingly don’t care about whether teams make revenue or not or even provide athletic scholarships (as Dartmouth and the other Ivies don’t).
The point is that there isn’t an “opting out” other than downgrading to club sports. There is no lower division that’s going to avoid these employee costs, which means that schools that don’t maximize revenue are going to get buried.
Once again, I’m not saying that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off. The risks that you’ve mentioned are real, but you may be underestimating the expense side that is likely going to skyrocket for every Division I program, which means everyone needs every cent of revenue that they can possibly get.
Which additional costs specifically are you referring to?
Paying athletes directly as employees.
(03-15-2024 04:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 03:50 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 03:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 01:39 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]If that was attempted, that’s exactly where the Big Ten and SEC say, “We now need 4 AQs each or we’re breaking away.”
I know everyone outside of the P2 either doesn’t want to hear it or are in denial, but everyone outside of the P2 is who would get destroyed in a breakaway. That’s not to say that I think that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off (as I personally don’t), but the P2 can survive in any format in a way that the G5 certainly can’t and the M2 probably can’t. These other leagues are facing financial suicide if the P2 leave, so they’re agreeing to pretty much everything that the P2 is asking for on the financial front.
It wouldn't hit everyone the same. ODU rarely plays teams from either conference, we'd lose future NCAA credits and CFP money. What's that? 2.5M/year if the system collapsed? Other's rely on those buy games from the big conferences to make ends meet. And the M2 would lose a lot more because they're getting a lot more. But I'm not sure if the P2 are captivating enough to make the money they're making now on their own once the numbers come in. Even with all the best brands in college sports that's still well under half the college fans in the country. B12 fans gonna watch the P2 championships? It'd be a disastrous move by both sides but some of us don't have the bills to pay that Ohio State and Bama do and have been doing it without huge media money. If that well runs dry who will it hurt the worse?
You’re not looking at the future expense side: the Dartmouth basketball team ruling essentially means every single Division I program is probably going to be subject to an employer-employee relationship with their athletes. The courts and regulatory bodies seemingly don’t care about whether teams make revenue or not or even provide athletic scholarships (as Dartmouth and the other Ivies don’t).
The point is that there isn’t an “opting out” other than downgrading to club sports. There is no lower division that’s going to avoid these employee costs, which means that schools that don’t maximize revenue are going to get buried.
Once again, I’m not saying that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off. The risks that you’ve mentioned are real, but you may be underestimating the expense side that is likely going to skyrocket for every Division I program, which means everyone needs every cent of revenue that they can possibly get.
Which additional costs specifically are you referring to?
If student-athletes are deemed employees, then they will become eligible for direct salaries, wages and benefits. A typical university likely has 500 student-athletes when it competes in the NCAA D1 level. Maybe a frugal university can cut-back to 350 D1 student-athletes, if it's very strategic. A low wage is probably close to $30K, plus benefits makes it $40K per employed-athlete. That is $15M of incremental expenses per year.
(03-15-2024 04:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 04:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 03:50 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 03:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024 01:39 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]If that was attempted, that’s exactly where the Big Ten and SEC say, “We now need 4 AQs each or we’re breaking away.”
I know everyone outside of the P2 either doesn’t want to hear it or are in denial, but everyone outside of the P2 is who would get destroyed in a breakaway. That’s not to say that I think that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off (as I personally don’t), but the P2 can survive in any format in a way that the G5 certainly can’t and the M2 probably can’t. These other leagues are facing financial suicide if the P2 leave, so they’re agreeing to pretty much everything that the P2 is asking for on the financial front.
It wouldn't hit everyone the same. ODU rarely plays teams from either conference, we'd lose future NCAA credits and CFP money. What's that? 2.5M/year if the system collapsed? Other's rely on those buy games from the big conferences to make ends meet. And the M2 would lose a lot more because they're getting a lot more. But I'm not sure if the P2 are captivating enough to make the money they're making now on their own once the numbers come in. Even with all the best brands in college sports that's still well under half the college fans in the country. B12 fans gonna watch the P2 championships? It'd be a disastrous move by both sides but some of us don't have the bills to pay that Ohio State and Bama do and have been doing it without huge media money. If that well runs dry who will it hurt the worse?
You’re not looking at the future expense side: the Dartmouth basketball team ruling essentially means every single Division I program is probably going to be subject to an employer-employee relationship with their athletes. The courts and regulatory bodies seemingly don’t care about whether teams make revenue or not or even provide athletic scholarships (as Dartmouth and the other Ivies don’t).
The point is that there isn’t an “opting out” other than downgrading to club sports. There is no lower division that’s going to avoid these employee costs, which means that schools that don’t maximize revenue are going to get buried.
Once again, I’m not saying that it’s a good idea for the P2 to split off. The risks that you’ve mentioned are real, but you may be underestimating the expense side that is likely going to skyrocket for every Division I program, which means everyone needs every cent of revenue that they can possibly get.
Which additional costs specifically are you referring to?
Paying athletes directly as employees.
The Dartmouth ruling relied on the fact that they were already being compensated. I didn’t follow the case close enough to know what benefits they were receiving that was considered compensation but I do know the ruling stipulated that scholarships were compensation. So every scholarship player is already being compensated the FMV of tuition, room and board and some COA. Now being classified as employees give them the right to unionize and collectively bargain but those negotiations are going to look a LOT different in the Sun Belt than they do in the SEC and B10. I don’t deny there will be added costs but revenue sharing???? That’s not a G5 problem.