Media reports from Yahoo Sports indicate that a 14 team college football playoff format, granting three AQs to the Big Ten and SEC, two AQ to the ACC, one AQ to the top ranked champ in the G5 conferences and 3 at large bids has been proposed. This effort should be opposed.
All I see here is an effort to enshrine privilege before actual results on the field disprove that the B1G and SEC deserve more. Using the inexact projections of previous seasons into a new format then parading around "evidence" that the SEC and B1G are deserving is a fun house mirror level analysis. Even in these "analysis" the ACC averaged more than 2 bids on average since the BCS Era. What is gained by the ACC and B12 by accepting second tier status? The ACC and B12 expanded to the same degree as the SEC and B12, why are they less deserving of autobids or first round byes? Why should all CFB accept a reduction of at larges from 7 to 3?
If the playoff must expand, a 16 team college football playoff with only 5 autobids for top conference champs better serves the everybody's interests and would make for a more compelling TV product.
A 5+11 playoff could be structured as follows:
Top 4 conference champions would be granted double byes and choice in selecting which of 4 NYD bowl games they would play in.
Seeds 5 through 8 would be granted a single bye and host the first 2 rounds of the playoff
Seeds 9 through 16 would play a 4 game first round at the home fields of cedes 5 through 8 then the winners in the first round would play seeds 5 through 8 the next week. This is summarized below:
1 plays:
(16 v 9 winner ) @ 8 winner
2 plays:
(15 v 10 winner) @ 7 winner
3 plays:
(14 v 11 winner) @ 6 winner
4 plays:
(13 v 12 winner) @ 5 winner
First round would be played the week after championship games. These teams are very likely to not have played in conference championship games so the turnaround will not be so quick. The format is fan friendly fans in the first 2 rounds as they are hosted in the same location. This format have only four games each round to maximize tv windows.
The five top champions and seeding are set by the college football playoff committee. If arguing we are arguing about the committee selecting the correct 16th team then we are capturing the full span of possible national champion contenders, no additional AQs required.
Well, I'd like to avoid a SEC/B1G Split.... so... they got us in Check Mate...
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That's going to be a 'No' from me. G5s would miss out completely on a 5+11.
(02-29-2024 08:46 AM)Yosef181 Wrote: [ -> ]That's going to be a 'No' from me. G5s would miss out completely on a 5+11.
G5 is much better off in 5+11
1 AQ for top champ and 11 at larges
In 3-3-2-2-1+3 there is one AQ and 3 at larges
Yeah, ok. So where do I go to cast my vote???
ND is screwed in this scenario. 3 losses and they are out. 4 losses in the B1G and they still have a chance.
(02-29-2024 08:45 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I'd like to avoid a SEC/B1G Split.... so... they got us in Check Mate...
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So you are proposing rolling over. You agree that 5+11 is more fair and equitable, but it is better to appease...
I thought UCF challenged for the right to a seat at the table based on result on the field.
(02-29-2024 08:54 AM)LeeNobody Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 08:45 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I'd like to avoid a SEC/B1G Split.... so... they got us in Check Mate...
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So you are proposing rolling over. You agree that 5+11 is more fair and equitable, but it is better to appease...
I thought UCF challenged for the right to a seat at the table based on result on the field.
Of all schools, UCF should know the futility of opposing "the system"!
(02-29-2024 08:54 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ]ND is screwed in this scenario. 3 losses and they are out. 4 losses in the B1G and they still have a chance.
No, they won't be.
The word is that ND will qualify if it is rated in the top 14.
That is sort of an automatic qualifier for ND.
(02-29-2024 08:54 AM)LeeNobody Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 08:45 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I'd like to avoid a SEC/B1G Split.... so... they got us in Check Mate...
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So you are proposing rolling over. You agree that 5+11 is more fair and equitable, but it is better to appease...
I thought UCF challenged for the right to a seat at the table based on result on the field.
This is the first time UCF has had a seat at the table. So... Mission Accomplished...
Undefeated P4 teams are guaranteed to make it to the CFP in this system.
If a G5 goes undefeated and gets left out of the playoff. I say its within their right to Claim a National Championship. Hopefully, one of the NCAA approved National Selectors backs your claim like the Colley Matrix did for UCF.
As long as the G5 get one slot, I'm fine with either option.
The reason I prefer AQ slots is that they can generally be earned on the field across the season.
You don't have a commitee shuffling you around based on their perception. There is very little difference in teams 12 through 25. That's why there are so many "upsets". I'd rather give the spot to a #20 that placed second in their conference over a #14 that a committee deemed more worthy.
(02-29-2024 09:01 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 08:54 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ]ND is screwed in this scenario. 3 losses and they are out. 4 losses in the B1G and they still have a chance.
No, they won't be.
The word is that ND will qualify if it is rated in the top 14.
That is sort of an automatic qualifier for ND.
How so? What if there are 3 other P4 teams......hell even P2 teams ranked ahead of them that were not part of the AQ bid? You telling me ND may hop a Penn State or Ole Miss just because?
Oh I can imagine the uproar from Hanky Spanky.
(02-29-2024 09:30 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 09:01 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 08:54 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ]ND is screwed in this scenario. 3 losses and they are out. 4 losses in the B1G and they still have a chance.
No, they won't be.
The word is that ND will qualify if it is rated in the top 14.
That is sort of an automatic qualifier for ND.
How so? What if there are 3 other P4 teams......hell even P2 teams ranked ahead of them that were not part of the AQ bid? You telling me ND may hop a Penn State or Ole Miss just because?
Oh I can imagine the uproar from Hanky Spanky.
ND has a vote as if it though it were its own conference for CFP purposes. They are in the room where it happens, so the speak.
The Big Ten and SEC have no issue with ND because the Irish make money for the system. The TV networks *want* ND to regularly qualify and that’s priced into the system. Hence, the Big Ten and SEC are fine with giving ND some assurances. It’s the “riff raff” that don’t bring money to the system that the Big Ten and SEC care about squeezing waaaaaaaaaay more. I continue to be perplexed by how many people don’t see this here. The Big Ten and SEC would 1000 times rather have ND with playoff access than the entire G5 or frankly a whole bunch of the schools in the ACC and Big 12. Money makers like ND don’t bother them!
(02-29-2024 09:37 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 09:30 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 09:01 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 08:54 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ]ND is screwed in this scenario. 3 losses and they are out. 4 losses in the B1G and they still have a chance.
No, they won't be.
The word is that ND will qualify if it is rated in the top 14.
That is sort of an automatic qualifier for ND.
How so? What if there are 3 other P4 teams......hell even P2 teams ranked ahead of them that were not part of the AQ bid? You telling me ND may hop a Penn State or Ole Miss just because?
Oh I can imagine the uproar from Hanky Spanky.
ND has a vote as if it though it were its own conference for CFP purposes. They are in the room where it happens, so the speak.
The Big Ten and SEC have no issue with ND because the Irish make money for the system. The TV networks *want* ND to regularly qualify and that’s priced into the system. Hence, the Big Ten and SEC are fine with giving ND some assurances. It’s the “riff raff” that don’t bring money to the system that the Big Ten and SEC care about squeezing waaaaaaaaaay more. I continue to be perplexed by how many people don’t see this here. The Big Ten and SEC would 1000 times rather have ND with playoff access than the entire G5 or frankly a whole bunch of the schools in the ACC and Big 12. Money makers like ND don’t bother them!
That's a good point.
(02-29-2024 09:37 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 09:30 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 09:01 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 08:54 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ]ND is screwed in this scenario. 3 losses and they are out. 4 losses in the B1G and they still have a chance.
No, they won't be.
The word is that ND will qualify if it is rated in the top 14.
That is sort of an automatic qualifier for ND.
How so? What if there are 3 other P4 teams......hell even P2 teams ranked ahead of them that were not part of the AQ bid? You telling me ND may hop a Penn State or Ole Miss just because?
Oh I can imagine the uproar from Hanky Spanky.
ND has a vote as if it though it were its own conference for CFP purposes. They are in the room where it happens, so the speak.
The Big Ten and SEC have no issue with ND because the Irish make money for the system. The TV networks *want* ND to regularly qualify and that’s priced into the system. Hence, the Big Ten and SEC are fine with giving ND some assurances. It’s the “riff raff” that don’t bring money to the system that the Big Ten and SEC care about squeezing waaaaaaaaaay more. I continue to be perplexed by how many people don’t see this here. The Big Ten and SEC would 1000 times rather have ND with playoff access than the entire G5 or frankly a whole bunch of the schools in the ACC and Big 12. Money makers like ND don’t bother them!
In concept only. Once some of their teams are actually jumped by a lower ranked ND...... lets see how that works and how quiet people will be accepting it. Picture an O$U, PSU, Florida, Alabama, Texas being left out for the anointed one who wants their independence
(02-29-2024 09:07 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 09:01 AM)LeeNobody Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024 08:53 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, ok. So where do I go to cast my vote???
Fans can fight for the sport they love!
And the NCAA listens to this?
Of course not. But Don Quixote says hi.