Would essentially create three D1 subdivisions for athletics. Have to imagine the higher level G5 programs would be able to opt-in to something like this. The rest get stuck in no man's land between whatever this may become, and FCS. Nothing more than an attempt by the NCAA to get Congress off their back regarding athlete compensation.
(12-05-2023 11:43 AM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ]Would essentially create three D1 subdivisions for athletics. Have to imagine the higher level G5 programs would be able to opt-in to something like this. The rest get stuck in no man's land between whatever this may become, and FCS. Nothing more than an attempt by the NCAA to get Congress off their back regarding athlete compensation.
There are already three D1 subdivisions -- FBS, FCS, NFS -- this would create a fourth.
Yep, this is the rumored P4 (or some semblance thereof) breakaway.
They really need to make this new group separate from the schools. Let them license the school name and logo and form a true minor league using school names and facilities. No reason to continue the illusion that they are student athletes.
(12-05-2023 11:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2023 11:43 AM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ]Would essentially create three D1 subdivisions for athletics. Have to imagine the higher level G5 programs would be able to opt-in to something like this. The rest get stuck in no man's land between whatever this may become, and FCS. Nothing more than an attempt by the NCAA to get Congress off their back regarding athlete compensation.
There are already three D1 subdivisions -- FBS, FCS, NFS -- this would create a fourth.
Only for football after reading the proposal. Those who opt-in will compete for the CFP, everyone else would be eligible for a traditional national championship.
I wonder if the conferences will issue league-wide mandates, in that either you're all in, or all out.
For instance, it's possible a MAC school would want to opt in (good luck finding the money tho) and someone like Wake Forest would not.
Interesting to see how this all plays out, if it comes to that.
(12-05-2023 12:27 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ]For instance, it's possible a MAC school would want to opt in (good luck finding the money tho) and someone like Wake Forest would not.
It seems to me if the NCAA wants to create a pro subdivision, the MAC would likely stay out of it.
I think you raise a good question here: Would programs like Wake Forest or Purdue or Stanford want to be part of a pro football league? On the one hand, they have access to gobs of TV money. On the other, at what point do these schools say: Enough.
If the cost is going to be 30,000 per athlete an you have to give it to half your athletes both men/women and you have 300 athletes.
150 x 30,000
4.5 million dollars.
MAC schools wouldn't love it but I think they can handle it.
If you don't do it your program is effectively low major.
It doesn't require big donor money. An instution is permitted to pay the amount directly through a trust fund, which I assume can also be invested and endowed.
I don't know what happens in some of these mid tier basketball conferences like the MVC or the A10 where they have very different institutions in them.
The P5 teams already get anybody they want, and we take the next best. This really is not going to change the current gap all that much. The MAC has still been winning 4 or 5 P5 games every season, which is about the same as we have always done. I don't really see this changing the gap in talent between the current P5 and the current G5.
Somewhere Schadenfreude is saying to himself “I’m not worried, this is nothing”
(12-05-2023 12:06 PM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2023 11:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2023 11:43 AM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ]Would essentially create three D1 subdivisions for athletics. Have to imagine the higher level G5 programs would be able to opt-in to something like this. The rest get stuck in no man's land between whatever this may become, and FCS. Nothing more than an attempt by the NCAA to get Congress off their back regarding athlete compensation.
There are already three D1 subdivisions -- FBS, FCS, NFS -- this would create a fourth.
Only for football after reading the proposal. Those who opt-in will compete for the CFP, everyone else would be eligible for a traditional national championship.
That part is just saying that the management of championships wouldn't change ... NCAA championships for every sport except FBS football with a championship governed by the CFP.
There is nothing in the article which explicitly says it is only for football, but it is an open question whether the Big East schools would be able to meet the requirements of this system.
(12-05-2023 02:53 PM)Garden_KC Wrote: [ -> ]If the cost is going to be 30,000 per athlete an you have to give it to half your athletes both men/women and you have 300 athletes.
150 x 30,000
4.5 million dollars.
MAC schools wouldn't love it but I think they can handle it.
If you don't do it your program is effectively low major.
It doesn't require big donor money. An institution is permitted to pay the amount directly through a trust fund, which I assume can also be invested and endowed.
I don't know what happens in some of these mid tier basketball conferences like the MVC or the A10 where they have very different institutions in them.
300 student athletes is a very low number. Most mid majors hover around 450 - 500 or so, and larger programs can have around 600.
Ball State currently has approx. 460 student athletes. Therefore, they would be looking at $6.9M per year. I cannot see Ball St, nor any other university in the conference taking on that additional cost. Covering that added cost would raise Ball St's athletics budget by more than 25%.
(12-05-2023 10:44 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote: [ -> ]Always thought the haves and have nots would eventually separate as we're all supposedly fighting for the same prize under vastly different resources, so this is an interesting way to do it.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-proposing-...51537.html
This and NIL is the kind of sh@t that is causing me to lose interest in college sports.
(12-05-2023 05:27 PM)AllBronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2023 10:44 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote: [ -> ]Always thought the haves and have nots would eventually separate as we're all supposedly fighting for the same prize under vastly different resources, so this is an interesting way to do it.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-proposing-...51537.html
This and NIL is the kind of sh@t that is causing me to lose interest in college sports.
Yep, me too. I'll wait and see what happens but I don't like how it's going.
(12-05-2023 05:59 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2023 05:27 PM)AllBronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2023 10:44 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote: [ -> ]Always thought the haves and have nots would eventually separate as we're all supposedly fighting for the same prize under vastly different resources, so this is an interesting way to do it.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-proposing-...51537.html
This and NIL is the kind of sh@t that is causing me to lose interest in college sports.
Yep, me too. I'll wait and see what happens but I don't like how it's going.
Guys, did we EVER start a football or basketball season actually thinking a MAC team could actually win a National championship? This new division will undoubtedly suck up the big TV money, but we are still going to have fun football to watch in the MAC.
I live within walking distance from the Big House in Ann Arbor. A game ticket there costs more than my season ticket 6 miles west in Ypsilanti and I cannot fathom how many people pay $70 just to park around U-M stadium.
MAC stadiums have good football, I have seen Josh Allen, Maxx Crosby, Kareem Hunt and Sky Moore play in Ypsilanti as well as many others. Let the BIG BOYS spend all the money and gouge their fans, we will be just fine. Just my opinion.
It's not going to end up being exactly like this. It's just the first proposal. But it won't be terribly far from it. IMO, it'll be 4-5 years from now for it to take place.
So we gotta win a national championship in football and basketball before then!
It's only $4.5 million a year. Average MAC school has about 300 total scholarships. Half of that is 150 * $30k = Not terribly huge.
MAC will survive this. The FBS CFP money is about to increase and MAC schools can cut a few sports like track and field to make it a zero sum. This is to break off from the non-FBS basketball "D1" conferences mostly and "some" of the FCS conferences. Why do you think Delaware was such in a panic to go FBS?
Yes make college students subsidize the NFL minor league system. Sounds legit.
(12-05-2023 05:17 PM)mufanatehc Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2023 02:53 PM)Garden_KC Wrote: [ -> ]If the cost is going to be 30,000 per athlete an you have to give it to half your athletes both men/women and you have 300 athletes.
150 x 30,000
4.5 million dollars.
MAC schools wouldn't love it but I think they can handle it.
If you don't do it your program is effectively low major.
It doesn't require big donor money. An institution is permitted to pay the amount directly through a trust fund, which I assume can also be invested and endowed.
I don't know what happens in some of these mid tier basketball conferences like the MVC or the A10 where they have very different institutions in them.
300 student athletes is a very low number. Most mid majors hover around 450 - 500 or so, and larger programs can have around 600.
Ball State currently has approx. 460 student athletes. Therefore, they would be looking at $6.9M per year. I cannot see Ball St, nor any other university in the conference taking on that additional cost. Covering that added cost would raise Ball St's athletics budget by more than 25%.
And I thought the total scholarships average is more like 225-250, with the mandated minimum at 210. Ball State has 460 student athletes or 460 student athletes on scholarship? I’m guessing their use of “countable athlete” is for those on scholarship.
Quote: Entry into the subdivision requires a school to invest, at minimum, $30,000 per year per athlete into what is termed an “enhanced educational trust fund” for at least half of a school’s countable athletes.