Yeah, I know...confirmation bias since this is exactly what I've been saying would happen with RFK, Jr. as an independent. There are a lot of independents who will look for any alternative to having to vote for Trump. A chunk of republicans, too. Forever Trumpers will poo poo this but we are likely heading to another one in the L column. Too many people hate Trump or are just weary of him.
46% tops again. The Stupid Party.
Marist is really well respected, BTW.
Quote:According to a Marist poll released Tuesday, 49% of registered voters said they would support Biden, 46% Trump and 5% remained undecided — all without Kennedy in the race.
Those numbers shifted dramatically for Trump and Biden with Kennedy running as an independent candidate, but appeared to hurt Trump's chances for reclaiming the White House more than Biden's odds of winning a second term.
The poll showed Kennedy winning 16% support among voters, Trump 37% and Biden 44%. Just 3% were undecided.
The biggest shift with a Kennedy candidacy came from independent voters, showing a massive drop in support for Trump (49% to 34%) and Biden (43% to 33%), according to the poll. Kennedy received support from 29% of independents.
Republican support for Trump also dropped significantly from 91% to 81%, with Kennedy receiving support from 11% of GOP voters.
Biden also saw a drop in support from Democrats with Kennedy in the race, from 91% to 86%, but not as a significant a loss as Trump's among Republicans. Kennedy received support from 9% of Democrats.
Granular details of poll linked in article. It's not good.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-b...hange-race
I mean he (Trump) will very likely lose but this is one poll that shows this. There are others that say the opposite. We won’t know more about the potential third party run until primary season.
I wonder if a Trump/RFKJ ticket would help since there’s a lot of overlap on key issues.
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(10-19-2023 12:23 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote: [ -> ]I mean he (Trump) will very likely lose but this is one poll that shows this. There are others that say the opposite. We won’t know more about the potential third party run until primary season.
I wonder if a Trump/RFKJ ticket would help since there’s a lot of overlap on key issues.
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Doubt it would happen... While RFK and Trump overlap, make no mistake, RFK is a liberal. Not prog filth.. He's liberal.
(10-19-2023 12:24 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 12:23 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote: [ -> ]I mean he (Trump) will very likely lose but this is one poll that shows this. There are others that say the opposite. We won’t know more about the potential third party run until primary season.
I wonder if a Trump/RFKJ ticket would help since there’s a lot of overlap on key issues.
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Doubt it would happen... While RFK and Trump overlap, make no mistake, RFK is a liberal. Not prog filth.. He's liberal.
I agree, both being anti establishment and big on free speech. Believe it or not they aren't aligned on COVID. Trump has embraced the pharma talking points on that.
There is always a short bump for something new. As people learn more----views change. Its also not a serious question right now. By election time, it will be understood that only Biden or Trump can actually win---At that point most people will understand a vote for Kennedy is a wasted vote.
(10-19-2023 12:28 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 12:24 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 12:23 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote: [ -> ]I mean he (Trump) will very likely lose but this is one poll that shows this. There are others that say the opposite. We won’t know more about the potential third party run until primary season.
I wonder if a Trump/RFKJ ticket would help since there’s a lot of overlap on key issues.
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Doubt it would happen... While RFK and Trump overlap, make no mistake, RFK is a liberal. Not prog filth.. He's liberal.
I agree, both being anti establishment and big on free speech. Believe it or not they aren't aligned on COVID. Trump has embraced the pharma talking points on that.
Oh I know.. Trump is not backing away on the pharma talk, he's the one that put the vaccine into production and had it fast tracked.. He's embracing it, right/wrong/indifferent.
(10-19-2023 12:24 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 12:23 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote: [ -> ]I mean he (Trump) will very likely lose but this is one poll that shows this. There are others that say the opposite. We won’t know more about the potential third party run until primary season.
I wonder if a Trump/RFKJ ticket would help since there’s a lot of overlap on key issues.
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Doubt it would happen... While RFK and Trump overlap, make no mistake, RFK is a liberal. Not prog filth.. He's liberal.
Trump was a liberal too 20 year ago. He hasn't moved, the party did.....
(10-19-2023 12:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]There is always a short bump for something new. As people learn more----views change. Its also not a serious question right now. By election time, it will be understood that only Biden or Trump can actually win---At that point most people will understand a vote for Kennedy is a wasted vote.
yep, just wait until they find out Kennedy is for paying out reparations. You will probably see a swing that hurts Biden*.
(10-19-2023 12:30 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 12:28 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 12:24 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 12:23 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote: [ -> ]I mean he (Trump) will very likely lose but this is one poll that shows this. There are others that say the opposite. We won’t know more about the potential third party run until primary season.
I wonder if a Trump/RFKJ ticket would help since there’s a lot of overlap on key issues.
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Doubt it would happen... While RFK and Trump overlap, make no mistake, RFK is a liberal. Not prog filth.. He's liberal.
I agree, both being anti establishment and big on free speech. Believe it or not they aren't aligned on COVID. Trump has embraced the pharma talking points on that.
Oh I know.. Trump is not backing away on the pharma talk, he's the one that put the vaccine into production and had it fast tracked.. He's embracing it, right/wrong/indifferent.
Sometimes the master at branding plays himself.
RFK Jr is a tolerable past generation liberal for lots of independents.
There will be a decent sized protest vote on the crap options many will feel like they are stuck with.
Good. The sooner it all goes to hell the sooner we can rebuild it. Sometimes it needs to get worse before it can get better.
A sinking boat is no boat at all.
The country is not in good shape no matter who's in the office, few would disagree w/ that.
BTW 'independents' are usually Democrats. Some 'independents' these are.
RFK won't get more than 1%-2% of the vote.
But, that might be enough to change the outcome.
(10-19-2023 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ]RFK won't get more than 1%-2% of the vote.
But, that might be enough to change the outcome.
RFK, Jr. is pro-reparations. Once the general public finds out about that, and they will, He will be a fringe candidate at best. Another thing that is happening is Cornell West is getting max donations from Republican Mega Donors to get him on the ballots.
(10-19-2023 02:02 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ]RFK won't get more than 1%-2% of the vote.
But, that might be enough to change the outcome.
RFK, Jr. is pro-reparations. Once the general public finds out about that, and they will, He will be a fringe candidate at best. Another thing that is happening is Cornell West is getting max donations from Republican Mega Donors to get him on the ballots.
Cornel West won't get 20 votes (nationwide) from Republican or right-leaning Independent voters.
(10-19-2023 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ]RFK won't get more than 1%-2% of the vote.
But, that might be enough to change the outcome.
A couple percent in battle ground states can turn it from a close race to losing as badly as Bob Dole did.
(10-19-2023 01:32 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: [ -> ]Good. The sooner it all goes to hell the sooner we can rebuild it. Sometimes it needs to get worse before it can get better.
A sinking boat is no boat at all.
The country is not in good shape no matter who's in the office, few would disagree w/ that.
BTW 'independents' are usually Democrats. Some 'independents' these are.
Run the engine without oil to be able to get it to run better. Got it.
8 years of Gavin Newsom and there is no repairing this rig.
(10-19-2023 02:18 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 01:32 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: [ -> ]Good. The sooner it all goes to hell the sooner we can rebuild it. Sometimes it needs to get worse before it can get better.
A sinking boat is no boat at all.
The country is not in good shape no matter who's in the office, few would disagree w/ that.
BTW 'independents' are usually Democrats. Some 'independents' these are.
Run the engine without oil to be able to get it to run better. Got it.
8 years of Gavin Newsom and there is no repairing this rig.
Sometimes you have to sink that low :)
(10-19-2023 02:05 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 02:02 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ]RFK won't get more than 1%-2% of the vote.
But, that might be enough to change the outcome.
RFK, Jr. is pro-reparations. Once the general public finds out about that, and they will, He will be a fringe candidate at best. Another thing that is happening is Cornell West is getting max donations from Republican Mega Donors to get him on the ballots.
Cornel West won't get 20 votes (nationwide) from Republican or right-leaning Independent voters.
Exactly.
Some people have gotten so anti establishment they will vote for communists as long as they remove what they perceive to be in power. Sink the ship rather than repair it. Thinking they will get to rebuild it in their image. Instead what history is shows is we are far more likely to have a French Revolution type disaster.
I do think more people will drop support of RFK jr. Saw a neighbor posting about how much they like both RFK jr. and Trump. It wasn't until someone politely showed RFK's positions on Bernie Sanders being too far to the right for him that he switched.
Too much of the republican media have been praising him to the moon. Making people think he's some traditional liberal coming to save us all. It was kind of stupid in retrospect. Praising someone so highly because they agree on just one thing and ignoring the 99 others they don't.
(10-19-2023 02:02 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2023 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ]RFK won't get more than 1%-2% of the vote.
But, that might be enough to change the outcome.
RFK, Jr. is pro-reparations. Once the general public finds out about that, and they will, He will be a fringe candidate at best. Another thing that is happening is Cornell West is getting max donations from Republican Mega Donors to get him on the ballots.
There are a lot of old people who won't even look into the issues. He comes from a family they sort of think of as royalty and he's not suffering from dementia and isn't cruse and raving 91 bogus felony counts.
RFK is a DNC plant and it will work. Anyone who doesn't want to hold their nose to vote...again can help do the DNC's lifting. Enough will.