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What do we know about WMU? Toledo nearly 3 TD favorite. Assume a poor D since they gave up more points to an Iowa offense than it felt like they scored all of last year combined?

(09-19-2023 01:18 PM)adunifon Wrote: [ -> ]What do we know about WMU? Toledo nearly 3 TD favorite. Assume a poor D since they gave up more points to an Iowa offense than it felt like they scored all of last year combined?

Pretty much. We had one of the best defenses in the conference last year, but it was senior-laden so most are gone.

But it's worth mentioning that the Offense had a bunch of 3 and outs and Iowa got great field position all night. So the D was constantly defending a pretty short field.

UT and WMU are at opposite ends of the MAC spectrum this season. I think Coach Taylor was a good hire (though remains to be seen), but realistically we're in full hideous rebuild mode and looking at a 2-10 or 3-9 type of season. Hard to argue with that 3 TD spread.

WMUs D did fine last week. Two 35 yard fields and 10 points in the last 5 minutes to get that score up. Iowa HC needs to average 25 a game to keep his contract... So 41 vs. the worst opponent is necessary. They have a good rb, and quick strike potential. D isn't great on the back end. I expect no less than 42 from us and no more than 10 for them.

(09-19-2023 01:34 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2023 01:18 PM)adunifon Wrote: [ -> ]What do we know about WMU? Toledo nearly 3 TD favorite. Assume a poor D since they gave up more points to an Iowa offense than it felt like they scored all of last year combined?

Pretty much. We had one of the best defenses in the conference last year, but it was senior-laden so most are gone.

But it's worth mentioning that the Offense had a bunch of 3 and outs and Iowa got great field position all night. So the D was constantly defending a pretty short field.

UT and WMU are at opposite ends of the MAC spectrum this season. I think Coach Taylor was a good hire (though remains to be seen), but realistically we're in full hideous rebuild mode and looking at a 2-10 or 3-9 type of season. Hard to argue with that 3 TD spread.

Thus should be a statement game for UT. First MAC opponent and some payback for last season's 20-14 embarrassing loss.

(09-19-2023 02:24 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2023 01:34 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2023 01:18 PM)adunifon Wrote: [ -> ]What do we know about WMU? Toledo nearly 3 TD favorite. Assume a poor D since they gave up more points to an Iowa offense than it felt like they scored all of last year combined?

Pretty much. We had one of the best defenses in the conference last year, but it was senior-laden so most are gone.

But it's worth mentioning that the Offense had a bunch of 3 and outs and Iowa got great field position all night. So the D was constantly defending a pretty short field.

UT and WMU are at opposite ends of the MAC spectrum this season. I think Coach Taylor was a good hire (though remains to be seen), but realistically we're in full hideous rebuild mode and looking at a 2-10 or 3-9 type of season. Hard to argue with that 3 TD spread.

Thus should be a statement game for UT. First MAC opponent and some payback for last season's 20-14 embarrassing loss.

Last game of the season and you had already clinched the West. Assuming you guys just relaxed a bit too much.

Western will not be a pushover, played Iowa tough for a half.

(09-19-2023 04:16 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2023 02:24 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2023 01:34 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2023 01:18 PM)adunifon Wrote: [ -> ]What do we know about WMU? Toledo nearly 3 TD favorite. Assume a poor D since they gave up more points to an Iowa offense than it felt like they scored all of last year combined?

Pretty much. We had one of the best defenses in the conference last year, but it was senior-laden so most are gone.

But it's worth mentioning that the Offense had a bunch of 3 and outs and Iowa got great field position all night. So the D was constantly defending a pretty short field.

UT and WMU are at opposite ends of the MAC spectrum this season. I think Coach Taylor was a good hire (though remains to be seen), but realistically we're in full hideous rebuild mode and looking at a 2-10 or 3-9 type of season. Hard to argue with that 3 TD spread.

Thus should be a statement game for UT. First MAC opponent and some payback for last season's 20-14 embarrassing loss.

Last game of the season and you had already clinched the West. Assuming you guys just relaxed a bit too much.

= embarrassing

Candle been at this game far too long now to have games like that.

I'm surprised by the large spread in UT's favor. If I were a betting man, I'm taking WMU on the spread.

(09-19-2023 02:21 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]WMUs D did fine last week. Two 35 yard fields and 10 points in the last 5 minutes to get that score up. Iowa HC needs to average 25 a game to keep his contract... So 41 vs. the worst opponent is necessary. They have a good rb, and quick strike potential. D isn't great on the back end. I expect no less than 42 from us and no more than 10 for them.

So Finn throws a pick or two, misses several open receivers, but does throw a few touchdown passes and Boone/Shaw/Stuart get about 200 yards on the ground to save our ass

(09-19-2023 10:33 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2023 02:21 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]WMUs D did fine last week. Two 35 yard fields and 10 points in the last 5 minutes to get that score up. Iowa HC needs to average 25 a game to keep his contract... So 41 vs. the worst opponent is necessary. They have a good rb, and quick strike potential. D isn't great on the back end. I expect no less than 42 from us and no more than 10 for them.

So Finn throws a pick or two, misses several open receivers, but does throw a few touchdown passes and Boone/Shaw/Stuart get about 200 yards on the ground to save our ass

Finn's numbers I don't feel support all of that? His INT numbers are low. His completion percentage is too good to support "several," depending what someone might mean by "several. "

Every QB, every game will miss a receiver, lead not so great, drop a ball they probably shouldn't have. I'd rather a miss than an INT. San Jose's QB made those mistakes. One gave us a TD. Who made the mistake, the QB or the route runner? Not so easy to judge how an "open" receiver got missed.

We all do agree I think, Finn doesn't hit as difficult as pass as we'd like for a conference champ starter or he'll trust his receiver on a 50-50 even when out-matched. But most of those better team QBs do not give that run option as he does. That's like having an extra player on the field and he has stayed healthy doing it. He's not afraid of a hit. He knows that's not how to play the game the team needs. Just as importantly, he seems to be a good general.

Gleeson seems a terrific QB. His passing is a fun watch. He chooses well when to use his wheels. I think he hangs up his RB a bit on reads. I hope we keep him too. I think Finn is ahead on the learning curve.

Ultimately, can we PLEASE see a play with them both on the field?

I would love for Toledo to utilize the 2 QB system similar to how they (under) utilized Carter Bradley.

DQ is going to get the first two drives of each half, Gleason should get the third. From there, you ride the hot hand and the one that is navigating the game better. This also makes conference opponents prepare for two different QBs and also keeps both QBs ready should unforeseen circumstances arise.

(09-20-2023 09:48 AM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]I would love for Toledo to utilize the 2 QB system similar to how they (under) utilized Carter Bradley.

DQ is going to get the first two drives of each half, Gleason should get the third. From there, you ride the hot hand and the one that is navigating the game better. This also makes conference opponents prepare for two different QBs and also keeps both QBs ready should unforeseen circumstances arise.

Do it for Miami or EMU... not against WMU. Keep the cards close to the chest until we need it. Gleason is going to play vs. WMU and UMass in 3rd quarter blowouts.

(09-20-2023 11:11 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 09:48 AM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]I would love for Toledo to utilize the 2 QB system similar to how they (under) utilized Carter Bradley.

DQ is going to get the first two drives of each half, Gleason should get the third. From there, you ride the hot hand and the one that is navigating the game better. This also makes conference opponents prepare for two different QBs and also keeps both QBs ready should unforeseen circumstances arise.

Do it for Miami or EMU... not against WMU. Keep the cards close to the chest until we need it. Gleason is going to play vs. WMU and UMass in 3rd quarter blowouts.

Never underestimate an opponent. MAC wins are earned.

(09-20-2023 12:21 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 11:11 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 09:48 AM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]I would love for Toledo to utilize the 2 QB system similar to how they (under) utilized Carter Bradley.

DQ is going to get the first two drives of each half, Gleason should get the third. From there, you ride the hot hand and the one that is navigating the game better. This also makes conference opponents prepare for two different QBs and also keeps both QBs ready should unforeseen circumstances arise.

Do it for Miami or EMU... not against WMU. Keep the cards close to the chest until we need it. Gleason is going to play vs. WMU and UMass in 3rd quarter blowouts.

Never underestimate an opponent. MAC wins are earned.

Of course take WMU seriously. They beat us last season. The team will be ready.

But in a hypothetical, wait until the game is close. We are favored by 21 and are 70 spots better in power rankings. You can't go willy nilly with the starting QB who is in the top 3 spot for MAC POY, because for some reason he isn't good enough when the stats suggest otherwise. 3rd series in each half as a legitimate suggestion for the backup??? come on now. This is silly message board fodder.

(09-20-2023 12:21 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 11:11 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 09:48 AM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]I would love for Toledo to utilize the 2 QB system similar to how they (under) utilized Carter Bradley.

DQ is going to get the first two drives of each half, Gleason should get the third. From there, you ride the hot hand and the one that is navigating the game better. This also makes conference opponents prepare for two different QBs and also keeps both QBs ready should unforeseen circumstances arise.

Do it for Miami or EMU... not against WMU. Keep the cards close to the chest until we need it. Gleason is going to play vs. WMU and UMass in 3rd quarter blowouts.

Never underestimate an opponent. MAC wins are earned.

I'm more in favor QB1 and QB2 when game is well in our favor than platoon. Platoon is different than both in the game same time, which is what I'd really like to see.

I wouldn't put Finn in at the slot, they get slammed. But WR or even TE? Wildcat?

I would take a wild guess at attendance but seems like we have worked that topic to death recently and no reason to resurrect it ................................................................................... (22,400)............................................................................

(09-20-2023 12:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 12:21 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 11:11 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 09:48 AM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]I would love for Toledo to utilize the 2 QB system similar to how they (under) utilized Carter Bradley.

DQ is going to get the first two drives of each half, Gleason should get the third. From there, you ride the hot hand and the one that is navigating the game better. This also makes conference opponents prepare for two different QBs and also keeps both QBs ready should unforeseen circumstances arise.

Do it for Miami or EMU... not against WMU. Keep the cards close to the chest until we need it. Gleason is going to play vs. WMU and UMass in 3rd quarter blowouts.

Never underestimate an opponent. MAC wins are earned.

Of course take WMU seriously. They beat us last season. The team will be ready.

But in a hypothetical, wait until the game is close. We are favored by 21 and are 70 spots better in power rankings. You can't go willy nilly with the starting QB who is in the top 3 spot for MAC POY, because for some reason he isn't good enough when the stats suggest otherwise. 3rd series in each half as a legitimate suggestion for the backup??? come on now. This is silly message board fodder.

1) I do think DQ is in the Top 3 MAC POY conversation right now but c'mon, who is he up against? Cole Snyder and Brett Gabbert?

2) Do you think Tucker Gleason would have more, nearly the same, or worse passing numbers at this point of the season?

DQ is 6th in the league in completion percentage. Thank the good lord he was near perfect against Texas Southern or his other two 56% performance games would put him at #10. How many teams are there in the MAC? 12?

For my fandom of the Toledo Rockets, I pray that I do not have that "told you so" moment this season. But I just cannot see DQ stepping up in a moment to make the plays with his arm. I believe in Gleason after watching him drop dime after dime against EMU last year LEADING the team back to victory. With a broken hand he put up gutsy numbers against BG and that loss is squarely on the shoulders of the defense. Western he was bad but that game was bad in all areas. Just pray we do not get down in many more games and have to pass our way back into it. Our defense is good but you cannot rely on pick-6's to get you out of trouble every game.

(09-20-2023 04:49 PM)PaulJ Wrote: [ -> ]I would take a wild guess at attendance but seems like we have worked that topic to death recently and no reason to resurrect it ................................................................................... (22,400)............................................................................

I am taking the under on that.

19,872 - the kind of fans I do not like will all be getting their chores out of the way early so they can get ready for the OSU/ND game in the evening. The 50/50 fans might look at the game and overlook the opponent and put all their eggs into tailgating for homecoming. I think students will be slim because it is the weekend BEFORE all of the homecoming festivities start so they might be taking the opportunity to go home.

(09-21-2023 02:53 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 12:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 12:21 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 11:11 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 09:48 AM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]I would love for Toledo to utilize the 2 QB system similar to how they (under) utilized Carter Bradley.

DQ is going to get the first two drives of each half, Gleason should get the third. From there, you ride the hot hand and the one that is navigating the game better. This also makes conference opponents prepare for two different QBs and also keeps both QBs ready should unforeseen circumstances arise.

Do it for Miami or EMU... not against WMU. Keep the cards close to the chest until we need it. Gleason is going to play vs. WMU and UMass in 3rd quarter blowouts.

Never underestimate an opponent. MAC wins are earned.

Of course take WMU seriously. They beat us last season. The team will be ready.

But in a hypothetical, wait until the game is close. We are favored by 21 and are 70 spots better in power rankings. You can't go willy nilly with the starting QB who is in the top 3 spot for MAC POY, because for some reason he isn't good enough when the stats suggest otherwise. 3rd series in each half as a legitimate suggestion for the backup??? come on now. This is silly message board fodder.

1) I do think DQ is in the Top 3 MAC POY conversation right now but c'mon, who is he up against? Cole Snyder and Brett Gabbert?

Rourke?

(09-21-2023 03:18 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2023 02:53 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 12:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 12:21 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 11:11 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Do it for Miami or EMU... not against WMU. Keep the cards close to the chest until we need it. Gleason is going to play vs. WMU and UMass in 3rd quarter blowouts.

Never underestimate an opponent. MAC wins are earned.

Of course take WMU seriously. They beat us last season. The team will be ready.

But in a hypothetical, wait until the game is close. We are favored by 21 and are 70 spots better in power rankings. You can't go willy nilly with the starting QB who is in the top 3 spot for MAC POY, because for some reason he isn't good enough when the stats suggest otherwise. 3rd series in each half as a legitimate suggestion for the backup??? come on now. This is silly message board fodder.

1) I do think DQ is in the Top 3 MAC POY conversation right now but c'mon, who is he up against? Cole Snyder and Brett Gabbert?

Rourke?

By the end of the season he will be in the conversation but as of right now he is not.

(09-21-2023 03:29 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2023 03:18 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2023 02:53 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 12:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2023 12:21 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Never underestimate an opponent. MAC wins are earned.

Of course take WMU seriously. They beat us last season. The team will be ready.

But in a hypothetical, wait until the game is close. We are favored by 21 and are 70 spots better in power rankings. You can't go willy nilly with the starting QB who is in the top 3 spot for MAC POY, because for some reason he isn't good enough when the stats suggest otherwise. 3rd series in each half as a legitimate suggestion for the backup??? come on now. This is silly message board fodder.

1) I do think DQ is in the Top 3 MAC POY conversation right now but c'mon, who is he up against? Cole Snyder and Brett Gabbert?

Rourke?

By the end of the season he will be in the conversation but as of right now he is not.

The BG quarterback Bazelak who was out against Michigan will be in the conversation. Has a good set of credentials coming in as a 1 year transfer. QB who went to Mizzou out of HS, then transferred to Indiana for 1 year before transferring to BG. Threw for +7,200 yards over 3 seasons at Mizzou against some pretty stiff competition - including his RSF year in Covid 2020 when the SEC played a full schedule. Has some good receivers at BG. Pure passer at 6-3 and 230. The O-line will not offer a lot of protection for him - and he has negative rushing yards total for his career. Best year running - he gained 20 yards net.

May not be a revenge year win against BG. Had 3 picks vs. McCarthy at Michigan. He hadn't thrown an intercept in a long time.