https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/c...710336007/
1. Really cold shoulder: Laugh all you want about Brett Yormark’s apparent rooting interest for Texas Tech in Texas’ Big 12 finale in November, but the fact that it’s the Red Raiders further strains relations between the two schools among the two fan bases on top of the ugly field-storming after Tech’s overtime win in Lubbock last year. I don't think Longhorns fans want anything to do with any Big 12 teams moving forward, especially now when things are so heated.
(08-30-2023 09:52 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/c...710336007/
1. Really cold shoulder: Laugh all you want about Brett Yormark’s apparent rooting interest for Texas Tech in Texas’ Big 12 finale in November, but the fact that it’s the Red Raiders further strains relations between the two schools among the two fan bases on top of the ugly field-storming after Tech’s overtime win in Lubbock last year. I don't think Longhorns fans want anything to do with any Big 12 teams moving forward, especially now when things are so heated.
Big XII fans don't want anything to do with Texas, either. Texas drove off Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska -- all long-time members of the Big 8 -- and UT began the downfall of the original Big XII. Screw the Longhorns.
I agree about a “heavy diet” of the likes of Rice, UTEP, and UTSA.
Not surprising they lose almost as many of those games as the win. They need to schedule Sun belt and CUSA to lock in wins so they can be bowl eligible.
(08-30-2023 10:06 AM)kurtrundell Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023 09:52 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/c...710336007/
1. Really cold shoulder: Laugh all you want about Brett Yormark’s apparent rooting interest for Texas Tech in Texas’ Big 12 finale in November, but the fact that it’s the Red Raiders further strains relations between the two schools among the two fan bases on top of the ugly field-storming after Tech’s overtime win in Lubbock last year. I don't think Longhorns fans want anything to do with any Big 12 teams moving forward, especially now when things are so heated.
Big XII fans don't want anything to do with Texas, either. Texas drove off Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska -- all long-time members of the Big 8 -- and UT began the downfall of the original Big XII. Screw the Longhorns.
I don't think enough people realize this. We don't really care about UT but we mourn the loss of OU.
Texas can go on and on about how big their brand is but they caused a rift among the Big 8 schools by trying to take the Big 12 South (minus Baylor, plus CU) and ruined the conference. Dealing with Texas is like having the Sword of Damocles hanging over you.
It's only a matter of time until it happens to the SEC too.
(08-30-2023 10:11 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]Not surprising they lose almost as many of those games as the win. They need to schedule Sun belt and CUSA to lock in wins so they can be bowl eligible.
You must be looking at very recent history. Historically, Texas has winning records vs just about everyone in the Big 12 universe, mostly lopsided winning records as well.
Texas would have to lose every game for decades in some cases for their records to be equalized vs Big 12 schools that they were also members of the SWC with.
Even lady parts are bigger in Texas.
(08-30-2023 10:06 AM)kurtrundell Wrote: [ -> ]... Texas drove off Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska -- all long-time members of the Big 8 -- and UT began the downfall of the original Big XII.
And TAMU of the SWC/BigXII.
I wonder how MU and TAMU boosters feel to have UT back? In a year or two those SEC governance meetings will start getting interesting.
(08-30-2023 09:52 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]Laugh all you want about Brett Yormark’s apparent rooting interest for Texas Tech in Texas’ Big 12 finale in November, but the fact that it’s the Red Raiders further strains relations between the two schools among the two fan bases on top of the ugly field-storming after Tech’s overtime win in Lubbock last year. I don't think Longhorns fans want anything to do with any Big 12 teams moving forward, especially now when things are so heated.
Tech, Baylor, TCU, UH fans:
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(08-30-2023 10:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]OH HOW WILL WE LIVE !!!!
Worst thing to happen since ESPN confirmed it was shuttering the Longhorn Network
(08-30-2023 09:52 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/c...710336007/
1. Really cold shoulder: Laugh all you want about Brett Yormark’s apparent rooting interest for Texas Tech in Texas’ Big 12 finale in November, but the fact that it’s the Red Raiders further strains relations between the two schools among the two fan bases on top of the ugly field-storming after Tech’s overtime win in Lubbock last year. I don't think Longhorns fans want anything to do with any Big 12 teams moving forward, especially now when things are so heated.
Kirk Bohls (the author) is kind of a troll.
Texas played Rice, Houston and TCU after the SWC days. They are playing Rice this year. Tech, TCU, Houston and Baylor will depend on the schedule.
(08-30-2023 10:15 AM)AzonTheKid Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023 10:06 AM)kurtrundell Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023 09:52 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/c...710336007/
1. Really cold shoulder: Laugh all you want about Brett Yormark’s apparent rooting interest for Texas Tech in Texas’ Big 12 finale in November, but the fact that it’s the Red Raiders further strains relations between the two schools among the two fan bases on top of the ugly field-storming after Tech’s overtime win in Lubbock last year. I don't think Longhorns fans want anything to do with any Big 12 teams moving forward, especially now when things are so heated.
Big XII fans don't want anything to do with Texas, either. Texas drove off Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska -- all long-time members of the Big 8 -- and UT began the downfall of the original Big XII. Screw the Longhorns.
I don't think enough people realize this. We don't really care about UT but we mourn the loss of OU.
Texas can go on and on about how big their brand is but they caused a rift among the Big 8 schools by trying to take the Big 12 South (minus Baylor, plus CU) and ruined the conference. Dealing with Texas is like having the Sword of Damocles hanging over you.
It's only a matter of time until it happens to the SEC too.
Yawn. Heard that a million times before. Texas only bullied the Big 12 (and SWC before that) because they could. Their yearly revenues were DOUBLE or more than double those of all other Big 12 schools other than OU. Contrast that with the SEC. If the SEC had been 16 teams last year, including OUT, the #8 school would have had 72% of Texas' revenues. The #11 school, Arkansas, would have had 64%. Here's how it looks written out:
Texas: $239m
Bama: $214m
Georgia: $210m
LSU: $199m
A&M: $193m
Florida: $190m
OU: $177m
Auburn: $174m
Kentucky: $159m
Tennessee: $154m
Arkansas: $152m
Contrast that with the Big 12 last year:
Texas: $239m
OU: $177m
KU: $118m
TCU: $114m
ISU: $111m
Tech: $110m
Are you trying to say that Texas is going to come in and impose their will on Georgia, Alabama, Florida, LSU and A&M? If you think that, then you're sadly mistaken. They'll have one vote, just like Vanderbilt and Mississippi.
The only only way that Texas joining the SEC might have an impact is as we look at potential future additions. They gave up their own personal fiefdom to join the SEC, how will they vote when schools with budget, fan support, and historical success in line with most of the left behind 8 look to apply to join? I know how I feel about those type of schools, I respect them but don't think they're a fit for the SEC, and I suspect that the powers that be at Texas will agree. As will those at OU, Missouri, Arkansas and South Carolina. Even if all 10 of the original SEC members decided tomorrow to push to include a school that made no sense (or cents) for us, they'd still need 2 of the expansion members to get on board, too. Clemson? FSU? Yeah, ofc. UNC? There's a lot to like there! But as you start digging deeper into the ACC, the enthusiasm falls off rapidly. Miami? UVA? VT? Um, at least they're all strong in their home markets, maybe as a 2nd or 4th to one of the big 3. Anybody else? Market is too small, no great history of winning and ratings like Miami's, or just not very strong in their own market. Texas just left a bunch of schools like that (as did OU), and I can't imagine that their vote on expansion would be in favor of trading 2nd rate nearby schools for 2nd rate distant schools.
(08-30-2023 10:15 AM)AzonTheKid Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023 10:06 AM)kurtrundell Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023 09:52 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/c...710336007/
1. Really cold shoulder: Laugh all you want about Brett Yormark’s apparent rooting interest for Texas Tech in Texas’ Big 12 finale in November, but the fact that it’s the Red Raiders further strains relations between the two schools among the two fan bases on top of the ugly field-storming after Tech’s overtime win in Lubbock last year. I don't think Longhorns fans want anything to do with any Big 12 teams moving forward, especially now when things are so heated.
Big XII fans don't want anything to do with Texas, either. Texas drove off Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska -- all long-time members of the Big 8 -- and UT began the downfall of the original Big XII. Screw the Longhorns.
I don't think enough people realize this. We don't really care about UT but we mourn the loss of OU.
Texas can go on and on about how big their brand is but they caused a rift among the Big 8 schools by trying to take the Big 12 South (minus Baylor, plus CU) and ruined the conference. Dealing with Texas is like having the Sword of Damocles hanging over you.
It's only a matter of time until it happens to the SEC too.
See? This is what we dealt with in the Big 12. KU, MU, NU and ISU were constant whiners about the great days of the Big 8 and never understood that the Big 8 was as doomed as the SWC in the post OU/UGA lawsuit days. They thought they were saving the Texas schools.
Texas didn't bully the Big 12. Moving the ccg to Dallas was an 11-1 vote. It was about getting Jerry Jones's money. Rotating the basketball tourney instead of it being home court for KU every year just made sense. Eliminating prop 16s was favored by everyone but Nebraska and the NCAA agreed a couple of years later. Moving the conference airport to a city with a big airport made sense too. Kansas City didn't have the airport and while drivable by 5 schools was difficult for CU and the Texas schools. Nobody was more aligned on revenue than Texas and Nebraska. The votes were always 7-5 on that. KU was always on the side of the 6 who left. If Texas annoyed A&M on revenue, it was when Texas (and OU) agreed after the Pac 16 deal fell through to equal media revenue sharing. Texas A&M threw a fit because they couldn't get a guarantee (as had been proposed by the 5 who looked like they would be left behind).
(08-30-2023 10:35 AM)PlayBall! Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023 10:06 AM)kurtrundell Wrote: [ -> ]... Texas drove off Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska -- all long-time members of the Big 8 -- and UT began the downfall of the original Big XII.
And TAMU of the SWC/BigXII.
I wonder how MU and TAMU boosters feel to have UT back? In a year or two those SEC governance meetings will start getting interesting.
Texas didn't so much drive us away as we decided that the SEC was just prettier than the SWC (and the Big 12 too ofc). Powers gave Bowtie the excuse to make the decision that most of us were already pushing for. It's easy to forget now, but the only reason the Big 12 formed at all was b/c both the Big 8 and SWC footprints were too small/low population in the modern era. Even with the jump from 6.4% of total National popuation in 1990 to 9% today, Texas is just too small and geographically compact to have it's own power conference. Ditto the old Big 8 footprint. However, if a Big 8/SWC mashup made sense, how much more sense would an SEC/Big 12 or Pac/Big 12 make? Texas was leading the charge, certainly, but they were pushed by forces outside of their control. If it hadn't been Texas, then it would have been OU, Nebraska, A&M, KU, Missouri, etc etc leading the way towards greater consolidation. We saw it with the BE, we saw it with the Pac, we saw it with the Big 12, and we can already see that it's going to happen to the ACC, too. It's ridiculous to dump all of that on Texas.
Now, having said all of that, I do think some of those early SEC meetings will get awkward.
Yormark hurt their feefees. If he flashed a horns down sign we might have seen tears.
Texas soft.
(08-30-2023 11:49 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote: [ -> ]Yormark hurt their feefees. If he flashed a horns down sign we might have seen tears.
Texas soft.
It was really inappropriate for a commissioner to openly root for one member over another.
Imagine if Sankey said he wished Ole Miss would take care of business vs. Alabama?
(08-30-2023 11:52 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023 11:49 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote: [ -> ]Yormark hurt their feefees. If he flashed a horns down sign we might have seen tears.
Texas soft.
It was really inappropriate for a commissioner to openly root for one member over another.
Imagine if Sankey said he wished Ole Miss would take care of business vs. Alabama?
When did Alabama announce it was leaving the SEC?
Why would anyone compare UT's football program to Alabama?
(08-30-2023 10:10 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: [ -> ]I agree about a “heavy diet” of the likes of Rice, UTEP, and UTSA.
I worry that the SEC and Big 10 go to:
10 game conference schedules
2 buy-in home games or 2 or 3 for 1s against MAC/CUSA/SUNBELT/MWC/AAC schools
Cutting out nonconference games against Big 12/ACC schools almost entirely outside of rivalry games like South Carolina-Clemson, Georgia-Ga Tech etc.