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https://cwur.org/2023.php

Methodology
1) Education: based on the academic success of a university’s alumni, and measured by the number of a university's alumni who have won prestigious academic distinctions relative to the university's size (25%)
2) Employability: based on the professional success of a university’s alumni, and measured by the number of a university's alumni who have held top positions at major companies relative to the university's size (25%)
3) Faculty: measured by the number of faculty members who have won prestigious academic distinctions (10%)
4) Research:
i) Research Output: measured by the total number of research papers (10%)
ii) High-Quality Publications: measured by the number of research papers appearing in top-tier journals (10%)
iii) Influence: measured by the number of research papers appearing in highly-influential journals (10%)
iv) Citations: measured by the number of highly-cited research papers (10%)

Georgia State University (World Ranking- 535, US Ranking- 143)
Old Dominion University (World Ranking- 879, US Ranking- 193)
University of Louisiana at Lafayette (World Ranking- 1017, US Ranking- 215)
Texas State University (World Ranking- 1275, US Ranking- 251, Carnegie Status)
University of South Alabama (World Ranking- 1396, US Ranking- 262)
University of Southern Mississippi (World Ranking- 1558, US Ranking- 281)
Georgia Southern University (World Ranking- 1712, US Ranking- 303)
Appalachian State University (World Ranking- 1719, US Ranking- 304)
James Madison University (World Ranking- 1765, US Ranking- 307)
Marshall University (World Ranking- 1770, US Ranking- 308)
Coastal Carolina (World Ranking- n/a, US Ranking- n/a)
Troy (World Ranking- n/a, US Ranking- n/a)
Arkansas State (World Ranking- n/a, US Ranking- n/a)
University of Louisiana at Monroe (World Ranking- n/a, US Ranking- n/a)

https://carnegieclassifications.acenet.edu/
Because respective institution's research activities are part of the methodology, we see reasonable correlations to the Carnegie Classifications.
Georgia State- R1
Old Dominion- R1
UL @ Lafayette- R1
Texas State- R2
South Alabama- R2
Southern Mississippi- R1
Georgia Southern- R2
Appalachian State- n/a
James Madison- R2
Marshall- R2
Coastal- n/a
Troy- n/a
Arkansas State- R2
UL @ Monroe- n/a

Always chuckle at these. It's what you do with your education and the person you are rather than the school name on a piece of paper. I've worked with Harvard grads who were smart but had no common sense or personality. Basically not very good employees.

(08-11-2023 11:43 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote: [ -> ]https://cwur.org/2023.php

Methodology
1) Education: based on the academic success of a university’s alumni, and measured by the number of a university's alumni who have won prestigious academic distinctions relative to the university's size (25%)
2) Employability: based on the professional success of a university’s alumni, and measured by the number of a university's alumni who have held top positions at major companies relative to the university's size (25%)
3) Faculty: measured by the number of faculty members who have won prestigious academic distinctions (10%)
4) Research:
i) Research Output: measured by the total number of research papers (10%)
ii) High-Quality Publications: measured by the number of research papers appearing in top-tier journals (10%)
iii) Influence: measured by the number of research papers appearing in highly-influential journals (10%)
iv) Citations: measured by the number of highly-cited research papers (10%)

Georgia State University (World Ranking- 535, US Ranking- 143)
Old Dominion University (World Ranking- 879, US Ranking- 193)
University of Louisiana at Lafayette (World Ranking- 1017, US Ranking- 215)
Texas State University (World Ranking- 1275, US Ranking- 251, Carnegie Status)
University of South Alabama (World Ranking- 1396, US Ranking- 262)
University of Southern Mississippi (World Ranking- 1558, US Ranking- 281)
Georgia Southern University (World Ranking- 1712, US Ranking- 303)
Appalachian State University (World Ranking- 1719, US Ranking- 304)
James Madison University (World Ranking- 1765, US Ranking- 307)
Marshall University (World Ranking- 1770, US Ranking- 308)
Coastal Carolina (World Ranking- n/a, US Ranking- n/a)
Troy (World Ranking- n/a, US Ranking- n/a)
Arkansas State (World Ranking- n/a, US Ranking- n/a)
University of Louisiana at Monroe (World Ranking- n/a, US Ranking- n/a)

https://carnegieclassifications.acenet.edu/
Because respective institution's research activities are part of the methodology, we see reasonable correlations to the Carnegie Classifications.
Georgia State- R1
Old Dominion- R1
UL @ Lafayette- R1
Texas State- R2
South Alabama- R2
Southern Mississippi- R1
Georgia Southern- R2
Appalachian State- n/a
James Madison- R2
Marshall- R2
Coastal- n/a
Troy- n/a
Arkansas State- R2
UL @ Monroe- n/a

Impressive. Amazing someone would would take the time. Did you copy and paste or type this crap?

(08-12-2023 11:38 AM)SVHerd Wrote: [ -> ]Always chuckle at these. It's what you do with your education and the person you are rather than the school name on a piece of paper. I've worked with Harvard grads who were smart but had no common sense or personality. Basically not very good employees.

Why does anyone besides the Saudis care what the UAE based CWUR has to say anyhow?

USNWR rankings can be debated, and some feel they are flawed, but its at least a little more relevant than this crap.

These threads usually go about the same way, don't they?

(Accelerated when OP is a GSU fan. Not hating, I think 17 knew exactly what he was starting...)

(08-12-2023 11:38 AM)SVHerd Wrote: [ -> ]Always chuckle at these. It's what you do with your education and the person you are rather than the school name on a piece of paper. I've worked with Harvard grads who were smart but had no common sense or personality. Basically not very good employees.

Huh? I'm guessing you didn't actually click the link. In that case, wouldn't you sympathize with CWUR rankings more so than some other purely academically prestigious rankings out there? They gave heavy emphasis (50%) on alumni success and employability post-graduation.

I thought the methodology was quite fair and neutral between student success and academic prestige. It gives credibility to schools like Appalachian State that may not have many doctoral programs, however putting people to work in their area.

(08-12-2023 01:42 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]These threads usually go about the same way, don't they?

(Accelerated when OP is a GSU fan. Not hating, I think 17 knew exactly what he was starting...)

Well, I think few folks are taking it the wrong way. If your school makes top 2000 among 20k schools globally, that means something no matter what.

(08-12-2023 01:52 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-12-2023 01:42 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]These threads usually go about the same way, don't they?

(Accelerated when OP is a GSU fan. Not hating, I think 17 knew exactly what he was starting...)

Well, I think few folks are taking it the wrong way. If your school makes top 2000 among 20k schools globally, that means something no matter what.

Oh, I agree with that, my bad if I implied incorrect assumptions re: your intent. I'm just entertained at how we go through the same motions every time we talk about academic rankings. I get the caveats. I really do. BUT I'm always at least a little happy when I see GSU rank well on such lists, and I know I will soon be reminded of why I shouldn't be.

Next topic of conversation will be "What does this have to do with sports anyway?" And someone will say, "college presidents make decisions and they care about etc. etc." And away we go...

tl;dr ODU sucks

ODU ranks high despite despite the most obvious correlation.

Interesting. Ga state should be ranked 7th on this list but no mention.

https://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list...ities/361/

Any idea why?

Congrats to everyone who did well, but most of the measurements have sh*t all to do with the missions of most SBC institutions when it comes educating citizens.

Most of our schools exist to create medical professionals, teachers, accountants, engineers of various types, artists, and that sort of mundane stuff that helps society function from day to day. Of course we’re not going to produce a large number of alumni winning “prestigious academic distinctions” or people “holding top positions at major companies.” It’s just not what most of us do on the whole.

(08-12-2023 02:50 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: [ -> ]Congrats to everyone who did well, but most of the measurements have sh*t all to do with the missions of most SBC institutions when it comes educating citizens.

Most of our schools exist to create medical professionals, teachers, accountants, engineers of various types, artists, and that sort of mundane stuff that helps society function from day to day. Of course we’re not going to produce a large number of alumni winning “prestigious academic distinctions” or people “holding top positions at major companies.” It’s just not what most of us do on the whole.

Over 80% of GS's students travel more than 3 hours from home to attend. Common for small town traditional universities that can attract such students.

Graduate level degrees are often after a 4 year traditional undergrad and a matter of convenience while working.

Ga state is perfectly positioned to take advantage with systems in place to attract and assist in this endeavor.

It's a good thing.

Are undergrad vs grad affiliation numbers recognized? I'd be curious to see.

I have debated this with different people with various outcomes, but my simple take is that good students make universities, not the other way around.

My reasoning - take Harvard and the Ivy as an example. When those schools were founded centuries ago, they were located in areas within close proximity to the financial and business centers of the new country. Access was extremely limited, so the only people that got in were the children of very wealthy and very educated people. Harvard didn’t make a difference in if they would be successful in life. Their success was already guaranteed by being born to the top of the top 1%. They were smart, connected and refined the day they walked through the door.

Going to Harvard became a status symbol not for the education but for the fact that you would sit next to the children of robber barons, politicians and others shaping the nation. It also became a family tradition. So by default, Harvard would attract the best and brightest now regardless of the ranking of the actual education received.

If you took Harvard’s student body and plopped them into a Sunbelt school that school would miraculously become so much better that in 20 years many of its alumni would be CEOs, top attorneys at leading firms, etc. This would happen because their families already hold influence.

It’s like college football. Take an Alabama or Georgia and all the players they put in the pros. Do they have some magic formula to turn average athletes into NFL players? No, they just recruit the most talented 18 year old athletes and don’t mess them up and keep them focused.

Yeah, but only of the top schools on the list also has a fantastic eco-system/swamp right in the middle of their urban campus.

<<<ducks for cover for the inevitable responses>>>

I couldn't care less about getting new conference mates with higher academic standings and don't understand why anyone else does. I'd rather be with a bunch of regional schools that have fan bases and kick arse in the major sports than have more Rices and Tulanes. I say that as a fan of a school that will likely be R1 by the end of this decade and can compare with just about everyone else with endowment and freshman SATs.

What matters to me more than any of the rankings criteria is having a campus near high-growth areas like Atlanta, Savannah, and North Florida when nation-wide enrollment is starting to decline. There's going to be a lot of changes in higher ed in the next 10-20 years and how a school can adapt to that is more important than how many mounds of esoteric research no one will ever read is being produced.

(08-14-2023 10:33 AM)FrankyP Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, but only of the top schools on the list also has a fantastic eco-system/swamp right in the middle of their urban campus.

<<<ducks for cover for the inevitable responses>>>

You haven't seen Norfolk after a good sprinkle.

(08-12-2023 11:38 AM)SVHerd Wrote: [ -> ]Always chuckle at these. It's what you do with your education and the person you are rather than the school name on a piece of paper. I've worked with Harvard grads who were smart but had no common sense or personality. Basically not very good employees.

Exactly. Not like employers lookup an applicant's school's ranking. Of course some names such as Harvard or Stanford have historically carried prestige. These rankings probably have factors such as how many majors offered, how many graduate degrees offered, the amount of research or publications by staff.

Anyone that graduated from any of our institutions can still get into med school or law school or whatever else they want to do.