Greed. And add whatever the latest Big 12 shenanigans is.
Used to need buy a program to know who the players were. Now you’ll need one to ID the teams in the conference.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...acker-2023
Remember regional rivalries?
Disgusting.
What a bunch of whores profiting on the backs of these student-athletes. It’s all about the kids. Yeah right.
The BIG has no shame.
Paterno?
MSU Gymnastics?
NU hazing?
OSU ….that’s a thread by itself.
Sad.
MW is going to get stronger too from it. My guess is Oregon state Washington state go there. Maybe even cal. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Stanford go big 12 or independent.
College football in the last 5 years has changed so drastically it really has taken a lot of the fun out of what college sports used to be.
(08-04-2023 09:40 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote: [ -> ]MW is going to get stronger too from it. My guess is Oregon state Washington state go there. Maybe even cal. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Stanford go big 12 or independent.
College football in the last 5 years has changed so drastically it really has taken a lot of the fun out of what college sports used to be.
Exactly. And so many of us love it and its rich traditions. Sadly those traditions are being diluted and it’s getting harder to continue to enjoy as we once did. So much of it was based on “regional rivalries “. Just as high school is today.
Again…..Rutgers vs Oregon for the Big 10 Championship?
Hope all these schools regret their choices and it ends up going badly for them. Nothing says midwest football like USC playing at Rutgers.
Big18 and SEC are ruining college athletics with their greed.
I agree with several posters here -- and on the main MAC csnbbs -- who say this will trickle down to G5 conferences like the MAC, and it won't be good. These same comments were also made in the previous realignment round when UT and OU went to the SEC, Houston-Cincinnati-UCF left the AAC for the Big 12, BYU dropped independence for the Big 12, the AAC backfilled mostly with CUSA, some CUSA teams left for the Sun Belt, and CUSA backfilled with FCS move-ups.
That's not all that happened, but I don't recall anyone saying "well, that's done." Note also there were plenty of impacts on the G5.
Now, it's money, money, money and more money. Where that (IMO) will hit the G5s like the MAC is the loss of million-dollar paydays from regular-season games at P5 stadiums. Consider: an 18- to 20-team P5 conference will have all the regular-season games it needs to fill a schedule, including their own weaker programs.
But those weaker programs still have bigger names than many/all G5s, which means they'll still draw, both fans and viewership. Once in a while, a weaker program will win, just like the occasional G5 upset we all know and love.
Yes, the weaker P5s may schedule some G5s to try to get some wins, but they'll know they no longer have to pay a million because there will be plenty of cash-hungry G5s willing to sign up.
I suspect ESPN, FS1, CBSSports and other existing and potential media platforms have also figured this out. IMO, there will be no big-payday lifelines in new media rights deals, with or without a GOR. ESPN has pumped huge $ into the ACC, SEC and Big 12, but also cut payroll. Perhaps AppleTV, Amazon and Google will buy in, but they too have figured it out. Against all that, a conference network at the G5 level has no chance (for those who have suggested it).
I don't know how this all plays out; just wanted to add my thoughts, even though I don't like what I thought.
But if you agree at all, what can/should be done for NIU and the MAC?
(Sorry for length.)
I don’t care about any of this. It has always been about the money; it is just more obvious now. The MAC has never been in the same “league” as the power 5 schools, and that is even more true following this last round of realignment.
The G5 programs should create their own division and have a playoff every year. Would be a helluva lot of fun, particularly in comparison to whatever it is we are doing now.
I really don't care much what the P5s do either ... but the financial impact could really hurt G5 programs like NIU. My point was if this pans out, NIU et al need to be planning now. With small budgets, that's a big $ loss.
Recall it was STF who in 2017 proposed a G5 playoff. All other G5 conferences and many on this board panned it big time. Here is a link to his prognostication (even if you don't like STF):
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...obstacles/
I'm not saying I agree; just posting FYI.
(Also, I wasn't sure if my previous post belonged here or on the "streaming" thread. Oh well.)
As for "caring," I think every MAC school will care.
Checking EMU at fbsschedules, just for example ... how much $ do you think EMU will get through 2028 for games at Minnesota, Washington, Kentucky, Michigan State and Indiana?
Now look at any other MAC future football schedule.
Part of me is intrigued by all these moves as it's almost creating a top division where I could see...down the road...a scenario where the winner of the B1G plays the winner of the SEC for the national championship.
While this would relegate all other conferences to 2nd tier...I wouldn't exactly mind it. As long as Florida State (who apparently is fed up with the ACC) goes to the B1G and Auburn goes to the SEC, that is.
Which interestingly leave Notre Dame on the outside looking in with the comforts of their tv deal they so cherish. And I say...let them have it. They've had a zillion chances to join a conference but they've chosen not to and that's on them.
Anyway, an ACC without FSU and Auburn in a (whatever you want to call it) 16 team tournament with the Sun Belt, C-USA, MAC, MW, and Big 12 (I'm probably forgetting some conference but I've been drinking and it's after 1 AM so sue me) sounds kind of fun.
Let the B1G and SEC be a pseudo-NFL and create a division of the rest of the conferences.
(08-04-2023 09:40 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote: [ -> ]MW is going to get stronger too from it. My guess is Oregon state Washington state go there. Maybe even cal. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Stanford go big 12 or independent.
College football in the last 5 years has changed so drastically it really has taken a lot of the fun out of what college sports used to be.
I would think Cal and Stanford would be a package deal at some point for the Big 12 or Big 10.
(08-05-2023 01:28 AM)WreakHammockOnU Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2023 09:40 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote: [ -> ]MW is going to get stronger too from it. My guess is Oregon state Washington state go there. Maybe even cal. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Stanford go big 12 or independent.
College football in the last 5 years has changed so drastically it really has taken a lot of the fun out of what college sports used to be.
I would think Cal and Stanford would be a package deal at some point for the Big 12 or Big 10.
Amazing schools - MAC like attendance…I kid - a little. Their attendance is ****, not a Big 10 type attendance.
PAC 12 ****** the whole thing up. They did not get a TV deal, they had 12 months and the best they grabbed was “Apple+”. That’s trash.
The generation and regions that provide huge TV ratings don’t stream their sports like that. Gen Z will…but they watch **** like ballet and other weird **** with their favorite Minecraft streamers.
Eventually the NCAA will disband and the top schools will separate. The NCAA exists because that's the way it always has been. Schools have basically figured out that the NCAA is unnecessary. It's the logical next step
Personally think this is a critical year for NIU to do well as in top 25 national attention. Need all the national exposure and beating both power 5 teams this year to bring back any consideration into what’s left of conference realignment.
This sucks for college football in general, not even sure this is good for in the long run for the original 10 members of the pig10. NU, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois will be constantly fighting their way out of the conference basement (deeper basement than they are in now...)
(08-05-2023 12:59 PM)numbersdontlie Wrote: [ -> ]Eventually the NCAA will disband and the top schools will separate. The NCAA exists because that's the way it always has been. Schools have basically figured out that the NCAA is unnecessary. It's the logical next step
Absolutely agree with this. My guess is it ends up with three top level conferences of twenty teams each, which separate from the rest of the existing NCAA conferences. They can then establish their own rules and retain all the money.
(08-05-2023 02:44 PM)HuskieDave Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023 12:59 PM)numbersdontlie Wrote: [ -> ]Eventually the NCAA will disband and the top schools will separate. The NCAA exists because that's the way it always has been. Schools have basically figured out that the NCAA is unnecessary. It's the logical next step
Absolutely agree with this. My guess is it ends up with three top level conferences of twenty teams each, which separate from the rest of the existing NCAA conferences. They can then establish their own rules and retain all the money.
If that’s the case NIU needs to really position themselves these next two seasons with Wins in football. That’s all the drives these realignment anyways.
I could see one of the G5 conf disbanding due to money as well.
(08-05-2023 03:50 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023 02:44 PM)HuskieDave Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023 12:59 PM)numbersdontlie Wrote: [ -> ]Eventually the NCAA will disband and the top schools will separate. The NCAA exists because that's the way it always has been. Schools have basically figured out that the NCAA is unnecessary. It's the logical next step
Absolutely agree with this. My guess is it ends up with three top level conferences of twenty teams each, which separate from the rest of the existing NCAA conferences. They can then establish their own rules and retain all the money.
If that’s the case NIU needs to really position themselves these next two seasons with Wins in football. That’s all the drives these realignment anyways.
I could see one of the G5 conf disbanding due to money as well.
We still have a dump of a stadium that we have not renovated or invested any money in. This is what happens when you sit around blaming other people for lack of fundraising. You get left behind because you're less attractive. SDSU (brand new stadium), Boise State, and some others G5s have positioned themselves better to move up.
(08-05-2023 03:50 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023 02:44 PM)HuskieDave Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023 12:59 PM)numbersdontlie Wrote: [ -> ]Eventually the NCAA will disband and the top schools will separate. The NCAA exists because that's the way it always has been. Schools have basically figured out that the NCAA is unnecessary. It's the logical next step
Absolutely agree with this. My guess is it ends up with three top level conferences of twenty teams each, which separate from the rest of the existing NCAA conferences. They can then establish their own rules and retain all the money.
If that’s the case NIU needs to really position themselves these next two seasons with Wins in football. That’s all the drives these realignment anyways.
I could see one of the G5 conf disbanding due to money as well.
This may be that other definition of "moving up." Perhaps, like Boise State, it means winning your way to the upper echelon of the G5 ranks, which is individual success, not conference. (Boise didn't get to the P5, but it did get special financial consideration from the MWC = more $.)
I agree that NIU has to take care of itself, in this new age of everyone for themself, especially if realignment spills downhill. To make more in media rights dollars, the best G5s may consolidate as well.
(08-05-2023 12:59 PM)numbersdontlie Wrote: [ -> ]Eventually the NCAA will disband and the top schools will separate. The NCAA exists because that's the way it always has been. Schools have basically figured out that the NCAA is unnecessary. It's the logical next step
I predict NCAA won't go away during any of our lifetimes.
(08-05-2023 01:14 PM)JoeNovak Wrote: [ -> ]Personally think this is a critical year for NIU to do well as in top 25 national attention. Need all the national exposure and beating both power 5 teams this year to bring back any consideration into what’s left of conference realignment.
They could beat both BC and Nebraska and by the 1st week of October, no one outside of DeKalb will remember.
(08-05-2023 03:50 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023 02:44 PM)HuskieDave Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023 12:59 PM)numbersdontlie Wrote: [ -> ]Eventually the NCAA will disband and the top schools will separate. The NCAA exists because that's the way it always has been. Schools have basically figured out that the NCAA is unnecessary. It's the logical next step
Absolutely agree with this. My guess is it ends up with three top level conferences of twenty teams each, which separate from the rest of the existing NCAA conferences. They can then establish their own rules and retain all the money.
If that’s the case NIU needs to really position themselves these next two seasons with Wins in football. That’s all the drives these realignment anyways.
I could see one of the G5 conf disbanding due to money as well.
Win all you want but with an empty Huskie Stadium, dwindling enrollment and microscopic endowment, the P5s won't care.