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What is with the Kansas non-sense... outside of the G-5, Kansas adds no value to any P5 conference. No market value, no football value, no academic value, no time zone value... why does Kansas keep coming up?
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No value to any P5 conference? They're one of the 4 irrefutable MBB bluebloods.

No academic value? They're in the flipping AAU.

I don't think SEC or B1G will waste a slot on Kansas.

But that is ok since they have the XII which will have nuts basketball if they can sign UA.

They're valuable to a P5. They're not valuable to a P2.

OP said they're not valuable to a P5, which is crazy talk.

(07-30-2023 12:01 AM)Mr Hyde Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2023 11:51 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]No value to any P5 conference? They're one of the 4 irrefutable MBB bluebloods.

No academic value? They're in the flipping AAU.

Conference alignment is solely driven by football. Olympic sports just tag along.

Now stop and think about that statement for a moment, because the actions of conferences don't back that up.

UCLA: Hardly a football power, at least not since the early 80's. Basketball blueblood. Big 10 bound.

Gonzaga and UConn considerations for the Big 12.

SEC and Big 10 have interest in North Carolina, and Duke & Virginia are more likely than many might think.

Why not Kansas? I suspect something that prompted this thread was a press release in the last few days by one source of no particular note which said that the Big 10 is now looking at Kansas again.

Why should conferences look at Kansas?

Kansas has a Wall Street Journal valuation which ranks among schools eligible for a P2 just ahead of Washington and well behind Notre Dame making them the second highest valued school in the PAC 12 / Big 12 / and ACC, ahead of Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina and Duke.

So why has the Big 10 added a hoops blueblood? To lock up Los Angeles and because soon hoops will be freed of the NCAA because it is a revenue sport. Without the NCAA credit system for the NCAA tourney the schools who can make a living at basketball will soon make more than double their current revenue. Most commissioners know this is coming. Hence Yormark, who is looking to accentuate the Big 12 hoops profile with a couple of solid brands.

If your conference doesn't have a high football profile of course you want to add schools which enhance it. Well, if you have plenty of football profile then when adding it's smart to cover your deficits. The SEC could use some hoops branding. I doubt anyone thinks they need to get stronger in football.

The board should reconsider prejudices against basketball first schools, or dismissiveness of them. The Big 10 has taken one and may be looking at another (maybe not but we'll see) and the SEC is definitely looking at one, and Yormark makes no bones about looking at two. Kansas's hoops value is over 300,000,000 by the WSJ. Their pitiful football program is supported financially and has a valuation of 200,000,000 by the WSJ. There is only upside to the Kansas football program and stability in the value of the basketball program, as what in most years is the nation's second highest earning basketball team behind Kentucky, and some years beating out Kentucky for first.

(07-29-2023 11:42 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]What is with the Kansas non-sense... outside of the G-5, Kansas adds no value to any P5 conference. No market value, no football value, no academic value, no time zone value... why does Kansas keep coming up?
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Academic Value: Kansas is an AAU school

Market Value: Kansas is a Top 20 school in total revenue (thanks to basketball)

Football Value: It remains to be seen but its likely KU Football is ranked this year, and looks to be on a trajectory to be decent for years to come thanks to Liepold

Market Value 2: While Lawrence itself is home to about 100,000, 20 miles away is the KC suburbs of Johnson County, with a population of 600,000, which KU owns (KSU has some fans here, but its 70-30).

Geographically, KU would fit into the B1G comfortably, and the SEC. Culturally, KU has a lot more in common with B1G schools like Iowa and Wisconsin than they have with the SEC schools.

The only play that would make sense for the B1G would be to add Kansas and Missouri together. The SEC could try that too, but Kansas has no desire to be part of the SEC.

(07-30-2023 01:27 AM)jgkojak Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2023 11:42 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]What is with the Kansas non-sense... outside of the G-5, Kansas adds no value to any P5 conference. No market value, no football value, no academic value, no time zone value... why does Kansas keep coming up?
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Academic Value: Kansas is an AAU school

Market Value: Kansas is a Top 20 school in total revenue (thanks to basketball)

Football Value: It remains to be seen but its likely KU Football is ranked this year, and looks to be on a trajectory to be decent for years to come thanks to Liepold

Market Value 2: While Lawrence itself is home to about 100,000, 20 miles away is the KC suburbs of Johnson County, with a population of 600,000, which KU owns (KSU has some fans here, but its 70-30).

Geographically, KU would fit into the B1G comfortably, and the SEC. Culturally, KU has a lot more in common with B1G schools like Iowa and Wisconsin than they have with the SEC schools.

The only play that would make sense for the B1G would be to add Kansas and Missouri together. The SEC could try that too, but Kansas has no desire to be part of the SEC.

Support that Lieutenant Junior Grade in Investigative, Intelligence, or MP service in the United States Navy. Tell me do you suck lollipops and shave your head? There are many Kansans who seem to have differing opinions on that subject. And I haven't seen an official statement from the school, nor would I expect one since they want a P2 home.

No doubt the culture is more aligned with the Northern Midwest. That's readily accepted, but with Texas, Oklahoma, A&M and Missouri now in the SEC I think they would feel comfortable enough in the new SEC West. I do wholeheartedly believe they would rather be in the Big 10 and perhaps they may yet be. But I strenuously doubt they would turn down an SEC invitation should one not be forthcoming from the Big 10.

(07-30-2023 12:15 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]They're valuable to a P5. They're not valuable to a P2.

OP said they're not valuable to a P5, which is crazy talk.

(07-30-2023 12:43 AM)Mr Hyde Wrote: [ -> ]Kansas would have very likely ended up in G5 had the Big12 dissolved a few years ago. None of the existing power conferences showed much interest at all.

Not true at all.

What?

Take away GOR's, network/TV deal limitations, and Commissioners not wanting to kill off other conferences and Kansas is in.

If the end result is:

SEC 24
B1G 24

Kansas is 100% on the list and will bring great value to either.

Kansas’ biggest problem is they are in a low population state. So they won’t be bringing a lot of eyeballs to another conference. North Carolina is in a much bigger state and it is growing (just gained a House seat). And while they certainly aren’t a playoff contender, their football isn’t nearly as bad as Kansas.

(07-29-2023 11:51 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]No value to any P5 conference? They're one of the 4 irrefutable MBB bluebloods.

No academic value? They're in the flipping AAU.

I went to his school.

We apologize for his silly post.

(07-30-2023 12:15 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]They're valuable to a P5. They're not valuable to a P2.

OP said they're not valuable to a P5, which is crazy talk.

No market
No location
No football

Hell of an add.

(07-30-2023 01:27 AM)jgkojak Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2023 11:42 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]What is with the Kansas non-sense... outside of the G-5, Kansas adds no value to any P5 conference. No market value, no football value, no academic value, no time zone value... why does Kansas keep coming up?
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Academic Value: Kansas is an AAU school

Market Value: Kansas is a Top 20 school in total revenue (thanks to basketball)

Football Value: It remains to be seen but its likely KU Football is ranked this year, and looks to be on a trajectory to be decent for years to come thanks to Liepold

Market Value 2: While Lawrence itself is home to about 100,000, 20 miles away is the KC suburbs of Johnson County, with a population of 600,000, which KU owns (KSU has some fans here, but its 70-30).

Geographically, KU would fit into the B1G comfortably, and the SEC. Culturally, KU has a lot more in common with B1G schools like Iowa and Wisconsin than they have with the SEC schools.

The only play that would make sense for the B1G would be to add Kansas and Missouri together. The SEC could try that too, but Kansas has no desire to be part of the SEC.

Kansas is a natural fit with Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M. Arkansas and Kansas do not share much history together but that's because they've been in different conferences forever. They could actually develop a pretty good rivalry.

I'd argue the SEC is a better overall fit for Kansas than the Big XII. In both leagues, they'd have about five schools that fit very well with them. But in the SEC, they fit better with schools like Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, and Ole Miss than they do schools like Baylor, UCF, BYU, and Houston.

(07-30-2023 06:42 AM)PicksUp Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023 12:15 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]They're valuable to a P5. They're not valuable to a P2.

OP said they're not valuable to a P5, which is crazy talk.

No market
No location
No football

Hell of an add.

If you’re a blueblood in MBB, you’re automatically valuable to a P5. The other 3 things are about value to a P2.

(07-30-2023 06:42 AM)PicksUp Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023 12:15 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]They're valuable to a P5. They're not valuable to a P2.

OP said they're not valuable to a P5, which is crazy talk.

No market
No location
No football

Hell of an add.

Kansas is a windblown hell hole. It is huge with no people. When I hear people talk up Kansas I laugh to myself because they have obviously never been there.

(07-30-2023 09:27 AM)Mr Hyde Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023 07:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023 06:42 AM)PicksUp Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023 12:15 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]They're valuable to a P5. They're not valuable to a P2.

OP said they're not valuable to a P5, which is crazy talk.

No market
No location
No football

Hell of an add.

If you’re a blueblood in MBB, you’re automatically valuable to a P5. The other 3 things are about value to a P2.

Had the Big12 dissolved, Kansas only options were the Mountain West or the Big East. A Big East membership would have soon flipped to the American with the other football schools and now they would be sharing a conference with Wichita. I’m sure their fans would be thrilled.

Would there have been a Big East split had Kansas and a few other B12 teams mentioned at the time joined? Would some that left the BE stayed? They also could have taken the spot of a BE team that went elsewhere.

(07-30-2023 09:37 AM)No Bull Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023 06:42 AM)PicksUp Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023 12:15 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]They're valuable to a P5. They're not valuable to a P2.

OP said they're not valuable to a P5, which is crazy talk.

No market
No location
No football

Hell of an add.

Kansas is a windblown hell hole. It is huge with no people. When I hear people talk up Kansas I laugh to myself because they have obviously never been there.

If the SEC or B1G go to 20 or 24 then they may be added. Clearly.

On their own they werent desired by either the PAC or the ACC when Texas/OU left.

Kanas does add value as a P2, in that it is a national brand in basketball. The state is a low population one, but the KU brand would carry significant pay-per-view interest well beyond the state border, and that is where college sports is heading. Depending on what happens approaching 2036 when the ACC GOR expires, Kansas does have a shot at being one of the last schools in to the P2. It has national implications for basketball and natural rivals in Nebraska and Missouri. So it could fit into either conference. If not, it still has a good home in what looks to be the third conference of significance.

(07-29-2023 11:51 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]No value to any P5 conference? They're one of the 4 irrefutable MBB bluebloods.

No academic value? They're in the flipping AAU.

Isn't Oregon AAU too? I think they accept over 50% of applicants, so it's not the best measuring stick for all schools.

(07-30-2023 10:02 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote: [ -> ]Kanas does add value as a P2, in that it is a national brand in basketball. The state is a low population one, but the KU brand would carry significant pay-per-view interest well beyond the state border, and that is where college sports is heading. Depending on what happens approaching 2036 when the ACC GOR expires, Kansas does have a shot at being one of the last schools in to the P2. It has national implications for basketball and natural rivals in Nebraska and Missouri. So it could fit into either conference. If not, it still has a good home in what looks to be the third conference of significance.

They are essentially Kentucky minus 1.5 million people but with AAU academics. The changes in law will impact Basketball and when it does this is an apex program. And I have been to Kansas and 46 other U.S. contiguous states. Lived in Canada and traveled across the pond and into the Middle East. I just don't have a love for theme park sprawl and sink holes, but I do think UCF is headed in the right direction in spite of it. When the major football brands are off the table (Notre Dame really being the last whale and F.S.U. and Clemson a couple of Tiger Sharks) the brand snatching game will turn to basketball programs. It's simply going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if we see conferences expand with ABF members in the not-too-distant future (All But Football). How else will the value of a school like Duke be assimilated?