Quote:Ukraine’s vain attempts to launch an offensive ostensibly to oust Russia from “conquered” lands in the Donbass reminds me of the Japanese Kamikaze bombers trying to impede the inevitable U.S. victory in the Pacific. It is needless deaths sacrificed in the name of national honor but, when it is over, is totally meaningless.
Before delving into the futility of Ukrainian efforts, I need to introduce you to a crazy person in the U.K. masquerading as a former military officer. This man is bonkers. Thank God that Lt. Col. Stuart Crawford is a “former” U.K. Army officer. His opinion piece is titled, How Ukraine blitzkrieg will tear Putin’s forces to ribbons. This manifestation of insanity normally would require that the person espousing such nonsense be wrapped up in a straight jacket and placed in a padded cell and fed jello. Preferably lime green.
Crawford writes:
Long range strikes into Russian forces rear areas, some with the UK-supplied Storm Shadow air-launched cruise missile, may indicate that some “shaping of the battlefield” is underway.
These strikes are targeting Russian arms and fuel dumps plus lines of communications and are probably designed to both isolate enemy forces on the front line and prevent reinforcements and supplies being brought forward.
Recent maritime drone attacks on Russian naval vessels in the Black Sea may be intended to force the enemy navy into its protected ports and prevent them launching their missiles at Ukrainian targets. In other words, they will keep the Russian navy quiet and out of the equation as much as possible. . . .
Which brings me to the wildcard option. Readers will, I suspect, have noted the recent incursion into Russian territory near Belgorod, where pro-Ukrainian disaffected Russian nationals mounted a raid which temporarily captured some Russian settlements and embarrassed the Kremlin until they withdrew.
This took place outside the 900 km fortified frontline between Ukraine and the occupied areas, and on a part of the Russo-Ukraine border where there has been little military activity to date. It showed, however, how lightly guarded this part of the Russian frontier is and how poorly prepared the Russians are to defend it.
What if the Ukrainians exploited this weakness and delivered a wide left hook which struck into Russian territory in the Belgorod region and then turned south? It would outflank the Russian “Maginot Line” along the contested demarcation zone and catch them in the flank – as the Germans did with the Allies through the Ardennes in 1940 during the Second World War.
I suspect that retired Lt. Col. Crawford is snacking on some magic mushrooms instead of sipping tea and munching crumpets. Ukraine does not have the logistics support in place capable of sustaining such an operation, not to mention the lack of troops and tanks. Not my opinion. An objective fact.
Here is just one report from the frontline in the Donbass detailing the “success” of this kind of Ukrainian left hook:
On the morning of June 4, the enemy launched a large-scale offensive in five sectors of the front in the South Donetsk direction by introducing into battle 23rd and 31st mechanized brigades from the strategic reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the support of other military units and subunits.
In total, six mechanized and two tank battalions of the enemy were involved.
The goal of the enemy was to break through our defenses on the, in their opinion, most vulnerable sector of the front.
The enemy did not achieve their tasks, they had no success.
As a result of the skillful and competent actions of the Eastern Group of Forces, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 250 personnel, 16 tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, 21 armored fighting vehicles.
Apart from losing 250 soldiers, Ukraine is now short 16 tanks and 21 armored fighting vehicles. Ukraine does not have an intact defense industry manufacturing new tanks and armored vehicles. Zelensky is running around Europe like a homeless guy begging for spare change. But instead of getting shekels in his rusty cup he is pleading for tanks and vehicles, which are no longer widely available. Ukraine grabbing a few kilometers inside Russian territory is only a temporary achievement that cannot be consolidated into a sustained offensive. Ukraine is not following a von Clausewitz plan, it is doing George Armstrong Custer at the Little Bighorn.
No army in the history of war can sustain losses like this and prevail. Ukraine is not following military doctrine. It is being coerced by the West in launching desperate suicide missions that are not going to change the strategic picture on the ground. Instead, it is just more meat grinding, which the Russians are happy to do. Too bad that Lt. Col. Crawford does not have the stones to go forward with the Ukrainians and put his own neck on the line. This is needless slaughter.
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(06-05-2023 04:08 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Ukraine’s vain attempts to launch an offensive ostensibly to oust Russia from “conquered” lands in the Donbass reminds me of the Japanese Kamikaze bombers trying to impede the inevitable U.S. victory in the Pacific. It is needless deaths sacrificed in the name of national honor but, when it is over, is totally meaningless.
Before delving into the futility of Ukrainian efforts, I need to introduce you to a crazy person in the U.K. masquerading as a former military officer. This man is bonkers. Thank God that Lt. Col. Stuart Crawford is a “former” U.K. Army officer. His opinion piece is titled, How Ukraine blitzkrieg will tear Putin’s forces to ribbons. This manifestation of insanity normally would require that the person espousing such nonsense be wrapped up in a straight jacket and placed in a padded cell and fed jello. Preferably lime green.
Crawford writes:
Long range strikes into Russian forces rear areas, some with the UK-supplied Storm Shadow air-launched cruise missile, may indicate that some “shaping of the battlefield” is underway.
These strikes are targeting Russian arms and fuel dumps plus lines of communications and are probably designed to both isolate enemy forces on the front line and prevent reinforcements and supplies being brought forward.
Recent maritime drone attacks on Russian naval vessels in the Black Sea may be intended to force the enemy navy into its protected ports and prevent them launching their missiles at Ukrainian targets. In other words, they will keep the Russian navy quiet and out of the equation as much as possible. . . .
Which brings me to the wildcard option. Readers will, I suspect, have noted the recent incursion into Russian territory near Belgorod, where pro-Ukrainian disaffected Russian nationals mounted a raid which temporarily captured some Russian settlements and embarrassed the Kremlin until they withdrew.
This took place outside the 900 km fortified frontline between Ukraine and the occupied areas, and on a part of the Russo-Ukraine border where there has been little military activity to date. It showed, however, how lightly guarded this part of the Russian frontier is and how poorly prepared the Russians are to defend it.
What if the Ukrainians exploited this weakness and delivered a wide left hook which struck into Russian territory in the Belgorod region and then turned south? It would outflank the Russian “Maginot Line” along the contested demarcation zone and catch them in the flank – as the Germans did with the Allies through the Ardennes in 1940 during the Second World War.
I suspect that retired Lt. Col. Crawford is snacking on some magic mushrooms instead of sipping tea and munching crumpets. Ukraine does not have the logistics support in place capable of sustaining such an operation, not to mention the lack of troops and tanks. Not my opinion. An objective fact.
Here is just one report from the frontline in the Donbass detailing the “success” of this kind of Ukrainian left hook:
On the morning of June 4, the enemy launched a large-scale offensive in five sectors of the front in the South Donetsk direction by introducing into battle 23rd and 31st mechanized brigades from the strategic reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the support of other military units and subunits.
In total, six mechanized and two tank battalions of the enemy were involved.
The goal of the enemy was to break through our defenses on the, in their opinion, most vulnerable sector of the front.
The enemy did not achieve their tasks, they had no success.
As a result of the skillful and competent actions of the Eastern Group of Forces, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 250 personnel, 16 tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, 21 armored fighting vehicles.
Apart from losing 250 soldiers, Ukraine is now short 16 tanks and 21 armored fighting vehicles. Ukraine does not have an intact defense industry manufacturing new tanks and armored vehicles. Zelensky is running around Europe like a homeless guy begging for spare change. But instead of getting shekels in his rusty cup he is pleading for tanks and vehicles, which are no longer widely available. Ukraine grabbing a few kilometers inside Russian territory is only a temporary achievement that cannot be consolidated into a sustained offensive. Ukraine is not following a von Clausewitz plan, it is doing George Armstrong Custer at the Little Bighorn.
No army in the history of war can sustain losses like this and prevail. Ukraine is not following military doctrine. It is being coerced by the West in launching desperate suicide missions that are not going to change the strategic picture on the ground. Instead, it is just more meat grinding, which the Russians are happy to do. Too bad that Lt. Col. Crawford does not have the stones to go forward with the Ukrainians and put his own neck on the line. This is needless slaughter.
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FYI---that "battlefield report" comes from the same Russian propaganda sources that claimed other massive battlefield victories that never happened. My guess is the crazy incursions into Russia are just designed to force Russian troops currently stationed in Ukraine to move elsewhere (similar to what happened last summer when Russia shifted troops to blunt the Ukrainian Kherson feint---allowing the actual main Ukrainian counter offensive to strike successfully in the Kharkiv area----where the Russians had removed troops from). The Ukrainians dont really need sustain their raids---they just need for the raids to be a pain in the butt. It also wouldnt hurt if the cross border raids took out key bridges, rail lines, and pipelines used to support Russian forces in Ukraine.
(06-05-2023 04:08 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Ukraine’s vain attempts to launch an offensive ostensibly to oust Russia from “conquered” lands in the Donbass reminds me of the Japanese Kamikaze bombers trying to impede the inevitable U.S. victory in the Pacific. It is needless deaths sacrificed in the name of national honor but, when it is over, is totally meaningless.
Before delving into the futility of Ukrainian efforts, I need to introduce you to a crazy person in the U.K. masquerading as a former military officer. This man is bonkers. Thank God that Lt. Col. Stuart Crawford is a “former” U.K. Army officer. His opinion piece is titled, How Ukraine blitzkrieg will tear Putin’s forces to ribbons. This manifestation of insanity normally would require that the person espousing such nonsense be wrapped up in a straight jacket and placed in a padded cell and fed jello. Preferably lime green.
Crawford writes:
Long range strikes into Russian forces rear areas, some with the UK-supplied Storm Shadow air-launched cruise missile, may indicate that some “shaping of the battlefield” is underway.
These strikes are targeting Russian arms and fuel dumps plus lines of communications and are probably designed to both isolate enemy forces on the front line and prevent reinforcements and supplies being brought forward.
Recent maritime drone attacks on Russian naval vessels in the Black Sea may be intended to force the enemy navy into its protected ports and prevent them launching their missiles at Ukrainian targets. In other words, they will keep the Russian navy quiet and out of the equation as much as possible. . . .
Which brings me to the wildcard option. Readers will, I suspect, have noted the recent incursion into Russian territory near Belgorod, where pro-Ukrainian disaffected Russian nationals mounted a raid which temporarily captured some Russian settlements and embarrassed the Kremlin until they withdrew.
This took place outside the 900 km fortified frontline between Ukraine and the occupied areas, and on a part of the Russo-Ukraine border where there has been little military activity to date. It showed, however, how lightly guarded this part of the Russian frontier is and how poorly prepared the Russians are to defend it.
What if the Ukrainians exploited this weakness and delivered a wide left hook which struck into Russian territory in the Belgorod region and then turned south? It would outflank the Russian “Maginot Line” along the contested demarcation zone and catch them in the flank – as the Germans did with the Allies through the Ardennes in 1940 during the Second World War.
I suspect that retired Lt. Col. Crawford is snacking on some magic mushrooms instead of sipping tea and munching crumpets. Ukraine does not have the logistics support in place capable of sustaining such an operation, not to mention the lack of troops and tanks. Not my opinion. An objective fact.
Here is just one report from the frontline in the Donbass detailing the “success” of this kind of Ukrainian left hook:
On the morning of June 4, the enemy launched a large-scale offensive in five sectors of the front in the South Donetsk direction by introducing into battle 23rd and 31st mechanized brigades from the strategic reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the support of other military units and subunits.
In total, six mechanized and two tank battalions of the enemy were involved.
The goal of the enemy was to break through our defenses on the, in their opinion, most vulnerable sector of the front.
The enemy did not achieve their tasks, they had no success.
As a result of the skillful and competent actions of the Eastern Group of Forces, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 250 personnel, 16 tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, 21 armored fighting vehicles.
Apart from losing 250 soldiers, Ukraine is now short 16 tanks and 21 armored fighting vehicles. Ukraine does not have an intact defense industry manufacturing new tanks and armored vehicles. Zelensky is running around Europe like a homeless guy begging for spare change. But instead of getting shekels in his rusty cup he is pleading for tanks and vehicles, which are no longer widely available. Ukraine grabbing a few kilometers inside Russian territory is only a temporary achievement that cannot be consolidated into a sustained offensive. Ukraine is not following a von Clausewitz plan, it is doing George Armstrong Custer at the Little Bighorn.
No army in the history of war can sustain losses like this and prevail. Ukraine is not following military doctrine. It is being coerced by the West in launching desperate suicide missions that are not going to change the strategic picture on the ground. Instead, it is just more meat grinding, which the Russians are happy to do. Too bad that Lt. Col. Crawford does not have the stones to go forward with the Ukrainians and put his own neck on the line. This is needless slaughter.
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Sorry not buying it. Inept lying Russians have shown themselves to be the Russian Army of Pre WW2.The Russians for centuries have been handed multiple embarrassing defeats one after another. If the Ukraine strategy was so poor surely they would've already fallen to the SECOND RANKED MILITARY in the world. Over rated and miserably futile which only leaves a mouthpiece to spread propaganda in hopes that it will do what the Russian military CAN'T which defeat Ukraine.
Bogged down in the Dombass and loss of life for what? Putin Pride? Laughable at best.
The old Russian adage holds true every single time.
There is no truth in Pravda and there is no news in Izvestia.
So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
(06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
So Russia won? Quite the news scoop there. Tell us more.
(06-05-2023 04:08 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Ukraine’s vain attempts to launch an offensive ostensibly to oust Russia from “conquered” lands in the Donbass reminds me of the Japanese Kamikaze bombers trying to impede the inevitable U.S. victory in the Pacific. It is needless deaths sacrificed in the name of national honor but, when it is over, is totally meaningless.
Before delving into the futility of Ukrainian efforts, I need to introduce you to a crazy person in the U.K. masquerading as a former military officer. This man is bonkers. Thank God that Lt. Col. Stuart Crawford is a “former” U.K. Army officer. His opinion piece is titled, How Ukraine blitzkrieg will tear Putin’s forces to ribbons. This manifestation of insanity normally would require that the person espousing such nonsense be wrapped up in a straight jacket and placed in a padded cell and fed jello. Preferably lime green.
Crawford writes:
Long range strikes into Russian forces rear areas, some with the UK-supplied Storm Shadow air-launched cruise missile, may indicate that some “shaping of the battlefield” is underway.
These strikes are targeting Russian arms and fuel dumps plus lines of communications and are probably designed to both isolate enemy forces on the front line and prevent reinforcements and supplies being brought forward.
Recent maritime drone attacks on Russian naval vessels in the Black Sea may be intended to force the enemy navy into its protected ports and prevent them launching their missiles at Ukrainian targets. In other words, they will keep the Russian navy quiet and out of the equation as much as possible. . . .
Which brings me to the wildcard option. Readers will, I suspect, have noted the recent incursion into Russian territory near Belgorod, where pro-Ukrainian disaffected Russian nationals mounted a raid which temporarily captured some Russian settlements and embarrassed the Kremlin until they withdrew.
This took place outside the 900 km fortified frontline between Ukraine and the occupied areas, and on a part of the Russo-Ukraine border where there has been little military activity to date. It showed, however, how lightly guarded this part of the Russian frontier is and how poorly prepared the Russians are to defend it.
What if the Ukrainians exploited this weakness and delivered a wide left hook which struck into Russian territory in the Belgorod region and then turned south? It would outflank the Russian “Maginot Line” along the contested demarcation zone and catch them in the flank – as the Germans did with the Allies through the Ardennes in 1940 during the Second World War.
I suspect that retired Lt. Col. Crawford is snacking on some magic mushrooms instead of sipping tea and munching crumpets. Ukraine does not have the logistics support in place capable of sustaining such an operation, not to mention the lack of troops and tanks. Not my opinion. An objective fact.
Here is just one report from the frontline in the Donbass detailing the “success” of this kind of Ukrainian left hook:
On the morning of June 4, the enemy launched a large-scale offensive in five sectors of the front in the South Donetsk direction by introducing into battle 23rd and 31st mechanized brigades from the strategic reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the support of other military units and subunits.
In total, six mechanized and two tank battalions of the enemy were involved.
The goal of the enemy was to break through our defenses on the, in their opinion, most vulnerable sector of the front.
The enemy did not achieve their tasks, they had no success.
As a result of the skillful and competent actions of the Eastern Group of Forces, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 250 personnel, 16 tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, 21 armored fighting vehicles.
Apart from losing 250 soldiers, Ukraine is now short 16 tanks and 21 armored fighting vehicles. Ukraine does not have an intact defense industry manufacturing new tanks and armored vehicles. Zelensky is running around Europe like a homeless guy begging for spare change. But instead of getting shekels in his rusty cup he is pleading for tanks and vehicles, which are no longer widely available. Ukraine grabbing a few kilometers inside Russian territory is only a temporary achievement that cannot be consolidated into a sustained offensive. Ukraine is not following a von Clausewitz plan, it is doing George Armstrong Custer at the Little Bighorn.
No army in the history of war can sustain losses like this and prevail. Ukraine is not following military doctrine. It is being coerced by the West in launching desperate suicide missions that are not going to change the strategic picture on the ground. Instead, it is just more meat grinding, which the Russians are happy to do. Too bad that Lt. Col. Crawford does not have the stones to go forward with the Ukrainians and put his own neck on the line. This is needless slaughter.
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Repeating Russian propaganda pieces? The author is pathetically transparent. Can't you find anything better to post?
More propaganda from the gateway pundit.
(06-06-2023 10:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
So Russia won? Quite the news scoop there. Tell us more.
Dont do a turner with me.
Nobody ever said Russis won. The slavi ukraine tards have however been tellin us how russia is getting its arse kicked.
Send em another billion. You should personally chip in 50 thousand or so.
(06-06-2023 12:37 PM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 10:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
So Russia won? Quite the news scoop there. Tell us more.
Dont do a turner with me.
Nobody ever said Russis won. The slavi ukraine tards have however been tellin us how russia is getting its arse kicked.
Send em another billion. You should personally chip in 50 thousand or so.
Then dont set up silly straw man arguments. Nobody ever said the goal was to "beat" Russia. The goal has always been to simply prevent Russia from taking over Ukraine. Want to continue with the dollar as the worlds reserve currency? Then paying to maintain the stability of the American rules based order is part of the gig.
(06-06-2023 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 12:37 PM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 10:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
So Russia won? Quite the news scoop there. Tell us more.
Dont do a turner with me.
Nobody ever said Russis won. The slavi ukraine tards have however been tellin us how russia is getting its arse kicked.
Send em another billion. You should personally chip in 50 thousand or so.
Then dont set up silly straw man arguments. Nobody ever said the goal was to "beat" Russia. The goal has always been to simply prevent Russia from taking over Ukraine. Want to continue with the dollar as the worlds reserve currency? Then paying to maintain the stability of the American rules based order is part of the gig.
Send em another billion
Muh slavi
Derp
![[Image: F6ch5tIIblQK.jpeg]](https://media.greatawakening.win/post/F6ch5tIIblQK.jpeg)
Ill be here when you figure out you were duped.
(06-06-2023 07:07 PM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 12:37 PM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 10:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
So Russia won? Quite the news scoop there. Tell us more.
Dont do a turner with me.
Nobody ever said Russis won. The slavi ukraine tards have however been tellin us how russia is getting its arse kicked.
Send em another billion. You should personally chip in 50 thousand or so.
Then dont set up silly straw man arguments. Nobody ever said the goal was to "beat" Russia. The goal has always been to simply prevent Russia from taking over Ukraine. Want to continue with the dollar as the worlds reserve currency? Then paying to maintain the stability of the American rules based order is part of the gig.
Send em another billion
Muh slavi
Derp
Ill be here when you figure out you were duped.
So now you believe the fake NY Times?????
(06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
We’ve sent 100 billion but I seriously doubt every penny went to the Ukraine government.
Maybe I’m being cynical but I don’t see McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi and McCarthy working together for anyone but themselves.
I would guess a lot of that money found its way back into the pockets of our politicians in DC.
Dummies
Allegations that Joe Biden partook in a $5 million bribery scheme involve Ukraine where his son scored a lucrative energy job and were first presented to the FBI by a reliable and well-paid informant back in 2017, House Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer told Just the News on Tuesday evening.
https://justthenews.com/accountability/r...aine-first
Whenever yall are ready, ill be here
(06-06-2023 07:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
We’ve sent 100 billion but I seriously doubt every penny went to the Ukraine government.
Maybe I’m being cynical but I don’t see McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi and McCarthy working together for anyone but themselves.
I would guess a lot of that money found its way back into the pockets of our politicians in DC.
Of course it did. That's all this entire "war" has been about. Apologies to the posters here I like that can't see this for what it is.
(06-07-2023 06:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 07:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
We’ve sent 100 billion but I seriously doubt every penny went to the Ukraine government.
Maybe I’m being cynical but I don’t see McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi and McCarthy working together for anyone but themselves.
I would guess a lot of that money found its way back into the pockets of our politicians in DC.
Of course it did. That's all this entire "war" has been about. Apologies to the posters here I like that can't see this for what it is.
Definitely see it for what it is. Another proxy war where our Politicians get rich off blood money in the form of weapon sales. We have no desire to win just like Vietnam and Afghanistan and rub out the enemy because it ends the flow of money.
(06-07-2023 09:30 AM)BlueDragon Wrote: [ -> ] (06-07-2023 06:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 07:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
We’ve sent 100 billion but I seriously doubt every penny went to the Ukraine government.
Maybe I’m being cynical but I don’t see McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi and McCarthy working together for anyone but themselves.
I would guess a lot of that money found its way back into the pockets of our politicians in DC.
Of course it did. That's all this entire "war" has been about. Apologies to the posters here I like that can't see this for what it is.
Definitely see it for what it is. Another proxy war where our Politicians get rich off blood money in the form of weapon sales. We have no desire to win just like Vietnam and Afghanistan and rub out the enemy because it ends the flow of money.
I've stopped even posting on threads related as the same posters have gone back in forth with the same conclusions.
99% were completely done with the mostly bs wars since the 60s the U.S. has been involved in but hey the Soviets are back!
(06-07-2023 09:59 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-07-2023 09:30 AM)BlueDragon Wrote: [ -> ] (06-07-2023 06:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 07:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 08:17 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]So weve sent the ukraine 100 billion dollars and they cant beat an antiquated military being run by a sick man with mental problems.
Bwahahaha
Gtfoh
We’ve sent 100 billion but I seriously doubt every penny went to the Ukraine government.
Maybe I’m being cynical but I don’t see McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi and McCarthy working together for anyone but themselves.
I would guess a lot of that money found its way back into the pockets of our politicians in DC.
Of course it did. That's all this entire "war" has been about. Apologies to the posters here I like that can't see this for what it is.
Definitely see it for what it is. Another proxy war where our Politicians get rich off blood money in the form of weapon sales. We have no desire to win just like Vietnam and Afghanistan and rub out the enemy because it ends the flow of money.
I've stopped even posting on threads related as the same posters have gone back in forth with the same conclusions.
99% were completely done with the mostly bs wars since the 60s the U.S. has been involved in but hey the Soviets are back!
You don't see the difference between sending hundreds of thousands of US soldiers and billions of dollars to Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq and sending only the dollars to Ukraine? And Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan were civil wars, not a full scale invasion.
(06-07-2023 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (06-07-2023 09:59 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-07-2023 09:30 AM)BlueDragon Wrote: [ -> ] (06-07-2023 06:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2023 07:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ]We’ve sent 100 billion but I seriously doubt every penny went to the Ukraine government.
Maybe I’m being cynical but I don’t see McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi and McCarthy working together for anyone but themselves.
I would guess a lot of that money found its way back into the pockets of our politicians in DC.
Of course it did. That's all this entire "war" has been about. Apologies to the posters here I like that can't see this for what it is.
Definitely see it for what it is. Another proxy war where our Politicians get rich off blood money in the form of weapon sales. We have no desire to win just like Vietnam and Afghanistan and rub out the enemy because it ends the flow of money.
I've stopped even posting on threads related as the same posters have gone back in forth with the same conclusions.
99% were completely done with the mostly bs wars since the 60s the U.S. has been involved in but hey the Soviets are back!
You don't see the difference between sending hundreds of thousands of US soldiers and billions of dollars to Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq and sending only the dollars to Ukraine? And Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan were civil wars, not a full scale invasion.
Exactly. If anything, we've completely swapped roles with Russia since Vietnam. Now its Russia who's sending their young men die while they watch their planes and equipment be destroyed----while we just send weapons and ammo to the defending nation.
And our war machine makes many many BILLIONS off it.