In trying to devise a way to for the SEC to expand but also make enough ACC schools happy to jailbreak the GOR (by dissolving the league) what if the SEC sponsored a sub-league within their umbrella for your academically-minded private and pseudo-private schools.
They certainly wouldn’t get paid like the SEC but they’d be run out of the SEC office and the SEC would use their weight to ensure they had a decent tv schedule. There could potentially be some inter league scheduling between Magnolia schools and their geographic SEC rivals (i.e. preservation of Tenn-Vandy, UGA-GT, UNC-Duke, NC ST-WF, and potentially revitalization of games involving Tulane, Rice, and SMU).
These smaller, expensive schools have a following that has a niche value to advertisers—their fans and alumni are wealthy demographic and present an opportunity to pair advertising for high end products and services to an audience that can afford them.
What might Magnolia look like:
Vanderbilt
GT
Duke
WF
Tulane
Rice
SMU
BC (fb only)
Syracuse (fb only)
Army (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Notice I’ve got 7 full members there so that they’ll qualify for their own autobid in the NCAA tournaments.
Thoughts?
(05-27-2023 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]In trying to devise a way to for the SEC to expand but also make enough ACC schools happy to jailbreak the GOR (by dissolving the league) what if the SEC sponsored a sub-league within their umbrella for your academically-minded private and pseudo-private schools.
They certainly wouldn’t get paid like the SEC but they’d be run out of the SEC office and the SEC would use their weight to ensure they had a decent tv schedule. There could potentially be some inter league scheduling between Magnolia schools and their geographic SEC rivals (i.e. preservation of Tenn-Vandy, UGA-GT, UNC-Duke, NC ST-WF, and potentially revitalization of games involving Tulane, Rice, and SMU).
These smaller, expensive schools have a following that has a niche value to advertisers—their fans and alumni are wealthy demographic and present an opportunity to pair advertising for high end products and services to an audience that can afford them.
What might Magnolia look like:
Vanderbilt
GT
Duke
WF
Tulane
Rice
SMU
BC (fb only)
Syracuse (fb only)
Army (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Notice I’ve got 7 full members there so that they’ll qualify for their own autobid in the NCAA tournaments.
Thoughts?
Unless you're simply attempting to aggregate a snobbish academia first association, it would make sense to include Memphis in such a conference since its an athletic conference.
The idea that a conference could operate a second league with rivalry games built into contracts is not crazy talk. In fact, there was some discussion of just such arrangement in the G5 space in the recent past. It does present some incentives for all parties in the two leagues to varying degrees.
The practicality of the complexity of a such a structure makes it less than likely to occur. But it does make the much-discussed 'Magnolia' concept have at least a tinge of possibility. Without the SEC leadership, it would be a middle of the pack G5 league in regard to revenue.
(05-27-2023 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (05-27-2023 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]In trying to devise a way to for the SEC to expand but also make enough ACC schools happy to jailbreak the GOR (by dissolving the league) what if the SEC sponsored a sub-league within their umbrella for your academically-minded private and pseudo-private schools.
They certainly wouldn’t get paid like the SEC but they’d be run out of the SEC office and the SEC would use their weight to ensure they had a decent tv schedule. There could potentially be some inter league scheduling between Magnolia schools and their geographic SEC rivals (i.e. preservation of Tenn-Vandy, UGA-GT, UNC-Duke, NC ST-WF, and potentially revitalization of games involving Tulane, Rice, and SMU).
These smaller, expensive schools have a following that has a niche value to advertisers—their fans and alumni are wealthy demographic and present an opportunity to pair advertising for high end products and services to an audience that can afford them.
What might Magnolia look like:
Vanderbilt
GT
Duke
WF
Tulane
Rice
SMU
BC (fb only)
Syracuse (fb only)
Army (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Notice I’ve got 7 full members there so that they’ll qualify for their own autobid in the NCAA tournaments.
Thoughts?
Unless you're simply attempting to aggregate a snobbish academia first association, it would make sense to include Memphis in such a conference since its an athletic conference.
That’s the whole point of the exercise—grouping the academically elite programs together into a group of peers that they can compete with athletically on smaller budgets.
Basically you are kicking Vandy out of the SEC. Don’t see Vandy agreeing to that.
(05-27-2023 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]What might Magnolia look like:
Vanderbilt
GT
Duke
WF
Tulane
Rice
SMU
BC (fb only)
Syracuse (fb only)
Army (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Notice I’ve got 7 full members there so that they’ll qualify for their own autobid in the NCAA tournaments.
Thoughts?
If you're intelligent enough to be chosen president at Duke or Vanderbilt, you're likely smart enough not to pass on a conference home annually worth hundreds of millions of dollars more than this concoction
(05-27-2023 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]What might Magnolia look like:
Vanderbilt
GT
Duke
WF
Tulane
Rice
SMU
BC (fb only)
Syracuse (fb only)
Army (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
A mini-league with Wake, Tulane, Rice, Air Force, Army and Navy (no to SMU) would be cool.
I love how people keep trying to figure out a way to force Vanderbilt out of the SEC to make room for schools that we only have lukewarm interest in. The ACC is not OUR problem, it's THEIR problem. We could add 2,4, 8 of them, whatever, and it will have only a limited impact on each individual SEC school, but it would be program altering for all the old ACC schools. Let THEM sort out their mess, or not, then let us know when they want an invite.
FYI, Vanderbilt isn't going anywhere. They're spending $300m on Athletic Facility upgrades right now. They didn't decide to spend that in hopes of joining the Magnolia League.
I doubt any school in ACC or SEC would willingly leave their conference for this
(05-27-2023 10:59 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote: [ -> ]I love how people keep trying to figure out a way to force Vanderbilt out of the SEC to make room for schools that we only have lukewarm interest in. The ACC is not OUR problem, it's THEIR problem. We could add 2,4, 8 of them, whatever, and it will have only a limited impact on each individual SEC school, but it would be program altering for all the old ACC schools. Let THEM sort out their mess, or not, then let us know when they want an invite.
FYI, Vanderbilt isn't going anywhere. They're spending $300m on Athletic Facility upgrades right now. They didn't decide to spend that in hopes of joining the Magnolia League.
Well put, B-1995. This Vanderbilt man appreciates the post.
(05-27-2023 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (05-27-2023 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]In trying to devise a way to for the SEC to expand but also make enough ACC schools happy to jailbreak the GOR (by dissolving the league) what if the SEC sponsored a sub-league within their umbrella for your academically-minded private and pseudo-private schools.
They certainly wouldn’t get paid like the SEC but they’d be run out of the SEC office and the SEC would use their weight to ensure they had a decent tv schedule. There could potentially be some inter league scheduling between Magnolia schools and their geographic SEC rivals (i.e. preservation of Tenn-Vandy, UGA-GT, UNC-Duke, NC ST-WF, and potentially revitalization of games involving Tulane, Rice, and SMU).
These smaller, expensive schools have a following that has a niche value to advertisers—their fans and alumni are wealthy demographic and present an opportunity to pair advertising for high end products and services to an audience that can afford them.
What might Magnolia look like:
Vanderbilt
GT
Duke
WF
Tulane
Rice
SMU
BC (fb only)
Syracuse (fb only)
Army (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Notice I’ve got 7 full members there so that they’ll qualify for their own autobid in the NCAA tournaments.
Thoughts?
Unless you're simply attempting to aggregate a snobbish academia first association, it would make sense to include Memphis in such a conference since its an athletic conference.
Uh, in all honesty, being in that conference would be an insult to Memphis, IMO.
(05-27-2023 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (05-27-2023 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]In trying to devise a way to for the SEC to expand but also make enough ACC schools happy to jailbreak the GOR (by dissolving the league) what if the SEC sponsored a sub-league within their umbrella for your academically-minded private and pseudo-private schools.
They certainly wouldn’t get paid like the SEC but they’d be run out of the SEC office and the SEC would use their weight to ensure they had a decent tv schedule. There could potentially be some inter league scheduling between Magnolia schools and their geographic SEC rivals (i.e. preservation of Tenn-Vandy, UGA-GT, UNC-Duke, NC ST-WF, and potentially revitalization of games involving Tulane, Rice, and SMU).
These smaller, expensive schools have a following that has a niche value to advertisers—their fans and alumni are wealthy demographic and present an opportunity to pair advertising for high end products and services to an audience that can afford them.
What might Magnolia look like:
Vanderbilt
GT
Duke
WF
Tulane
Rice
SMU
BC (fb only)
Syracuse (fb only)
Army (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Notice I’ve got 7 full members there so that they’ll qualify for their own autobid in the NCAA tournaments.
Thoughts?
Unless you're simply attempting to aggregate a snobbish academia first association, it would make sense to include Memphis in such a conference since its an athletic conference.
Snobbish private academia was the calling card identity of the Magnolia Conference concept. Memphis is neither private or academically elite. I suspect Memphis will eventually either end up in the rebuilt ACC (likely to get the call up in a decade or so) or in the Big12.
On the "Magnolia League" theme ...
... Memphis and Vanderbilt (the universities in general and their respective athletics programs specifically) are as different as Bill Dazzle and Kid Rock. Other than the fact that both men — in a pretentious manner, no less — go by absurd "show biz" names.
Vandy does well in several sports including baseball. They won’t be leaving the SEC.
(05-27-2023 11:34 AM)bill dazzle Wrote: [ -> ] (05-27-2023 10:59 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote: [ -> ]I love how people keep trying to figure out a way to force Vanderbilt out of the SEC to make room for schools that we only have lukewarm interest in. The ACC is not OUR problem, it's THEIR problem. We could add 2,4, 8 of them, whatever, and it will have only a limited impact on each individual SEC school, but it would be program altering for all the old ACC schools. Let THEM sort out their mess, or not, then let us know when they want an invite.
FYI, Vanderbilt isn't going anywhere. They're spending $300m on Athletic Facility upgrades right now. They didn't decide to spend that in hopes of joining the Magnolia League.
Well put, B-1995. This Vanderbilt man appreciates the post.
Nobody picks on my friend except me!
(05-27-2023 12:07 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: [ -> ]On the "Magnolia League" theme ...
... Memphis and Vanderbilt (the universities in general and their respective athletics programs specifically) are as different as Bill Dazzle and Kid Rock. Other than the fact that both men — in a pretentious manner, no less — go by absurd "show biz" names.
News Flash: CSNBBS poster Bill Dazzle admitted today that he is Kid Rock. Click here for details on his $ perch.
(05-27-2023 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]In trying to devise a way to for the SEC to expand but also make enough ACC schools happy to jailbreak the GOR (by dissolving the league) what if the SEC sponsored a sub-league within their umbrella for your academically-minded private and pseudo-private schools.
They certainly wouldn’t get paid like the SEC but they’d be run out of the SEC office and the SEC would use their weight to ensure they had a decent tv schedule. There could potentially be some inter league scheduling between Magnolia schools and their geographic SEC rivals (i.e. preservation of Tenn-Vandy, UGA-GT, UNC-Duke, NC ST-WF, and potentially revitalization of games involving Tulane, Rice, and SMU).
These smaller, expensive schools have a following that has a niche value to advertisers—their fans and alumni are wealthy demographic and present an opportunity to pair advertising for high end products and services to an audience that can afford them.
What might Magnolia look like:
Vanderbilt
GT
Duke
WF
Tulane
Rice
SMU
BC (fb only)
Syracuse (fb only)
Army (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Notice I’ve got 7 full members there so that they’ll qualify for their own autobid in the NCAA tournaments.
Thoughts?
Not sure if Baylor and TCU qualify academically for this, but it might help build a western front with Air Force (fb only). At least then, you'd have 9 full members for olympic sports and 14 FB members. Regardless, Air Force FB should be included for 12 FB members
If divisions were kept for FB (unlikely):
West:
Air Force
Baylor
Navy
Rice
SMU
TCU
Tulane
East:
Army
Boston College
Duke
Georgia Tech
Syracuse
Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
3-5/5 would probably be more likely though.
Vandy is in the semis of the SEC baseball tournament today. They made it to the semis of the basketball tournament. They outperform most of the SEC in those two sports. Why would they go anywhere? Lol.
What if this Magnolia League was making the same media revenue as the SEC? Wouid Vandy be interested then?
(05-27-2023 12:55 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-27-2023 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]In trying to devise a way to for the SEC to expand but also make enough ACC schools happy to jailbreak the GOR (by dissolving the league) what if the SEC sponsored a sub-league within their umbrella for your academically-minded private and pseudo-private schools.
They certainly wouldn’t get paid like the SEC but they’d be run out of the SEC office and the SEC would use their weight to ensure they had a decent tv schedule. There could potentially be some inter league scheduling between Magnolia schools and their geographic SEC rivals (i.e. preservation of Tenn-Vandy, UGA-GT, UNC-Duke, NC ST-WF, and potentially revitalization of games involving Tulane, Rice, and SMU).
These smaller, expensive schools have a following that has a niche value to advertisers—their fans and alumni are wealthy demographic and present an opportunity to pair advertising for high end products and services to an audience that can afford them.
What might Magnolia look like:
Vanderbilt
GT
Duke
WF
Tulane
Rice
SMU
BC (fb only)
Syracuse (fb only)
Army (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Notice I’ve got 7 full members there so that they’ll qualify for their own autobid in the NCAA tournaments.
Thoughts?
Not sure if Baylor and TCU qualify academically for this, but it might help build a western front with Air Force (fb only). At least then, you'd have 9 full members for olympic sports and 14 FB members. Regardless, Air Force FB should be included for 12 FB members
If divisions were kept for FB (unlikely):
West:
Air Force
Baylor
Navy
Rice
SMU
TCU
Tulane
East:
Army
Boston College
Duke
Georgia Tech
Syracuse
Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
3-5/5 would probably be more likely though.
You could also include Tulsa in this conference.