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Any ideas?

9 conference games.

(05-17-2023 08:24 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]9 conference games.

Yep.

Has to come from expansion.

Or

The top football brands in the ACC (FSU, UM, Clem, VT) perform very well now until the look in.

(05-17-2023 08:21 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote: [ -> ]Any ideas?

Not even gunpoint would matter

HAs anyone, ever, gotten more money during a look-in window with ESPN?

(05-17-2023 08:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]HAs anyone, ever, gotten more money during a look-in window with ESPN?

Almost everyone almost always.

But that's not the real question you're asking. The real question you're asking is has anybody ever gotten SERIOUS money in a look-in. Answer: No.

Have to think the change to the conference championship and elimination of divisions was wanted by ESPN too

(05-17-2023 08:42 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023 08:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]HAs anyone, ever, gotten more money during a look-in window with ESPN?

Almost everyone almost always.

But that's not the real question you're asking. The real question you're asking is has anybody ever gotten SERIOUS money in a look-in. Answer: No.

The last ACC look-in before the pandemic resulted in the launch of the ACC Network, which is bringing in $9M per school.

The next one is 3 years away, IIRC.

I don't see the need for ESPN to do much during the look in. And if they do increase the deal they will want more years added as compensation for the extra $$.

(05-17-2023 08:31 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023 08:21 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote: [ -> ]Any ideas?

Not even gunpoint would matter

"Please pull the trigger"

(05-17-2023 08:24 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]9 conference games.

Are we sure there's a clause that requires ESPN to kick in more money if the ACC goes to nine league games?

It seems like Phillips would've regularly mentioned it as an option over these last few months

(05-18-2023 07:34 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023 08:24 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]9 conference games.

Are we sure there's a clause that requires ESPN to kick in more money if the ACC goes to nine league games?

It seems like Phillips would've regularly mentioned it as an option over these last few months

No clause. A lookin is where they try to figure out something that makes more for both sides. There is a lot of resistance to the idea but it is something they could do

(05-18-2023 07:39 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2023 07:34 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023 08:24 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]9 conference games.

Are we sure there's a clause that requires ESPN to kick in more money if the ACC goes to nine league games?

It seems like Phillips would've regularly mentioned it as an option over these last few months

No clause. A lookin is where they try to figure out something that makes more for both sides. There is a lot of resistance to the idea but it is something they could do

I'd like to look in on the look-in:

Jim Phillips: "It'd be a huge help in keeping this conference together if you were able to bump up our dollars, even a little bit. I think it could really stabilize not only the ACC but College Athletics in general."

ESPN bigwig: "No. (checks watch and grabs briefcase). Gotta go."

(05-18-2023 12:25 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023 08:42 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023 08:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]HAs anyone, ever, gotten more money during a look-in window with ESPN?

Almost everyone almost always.

But that's not the real question you're asking. The real question you're asking is has anybody ever gotten SERIOUS money in a look-in. Answer: No.

The last ACC look-in before the pandemic resulted in the launch of the ACC Network, which is bringing in $9M per school.

The next one is 3 years away, IIRC.

ACCN + an extra decade to the GoR. You forgot that little GoR part.

(05-18-2023 07:45 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2023 07:39 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2023 07:34 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023 08:24 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]9 conference games.

Are we sure there's a clause that requires ESPN to kick in more money if the ACC goes to nine league games?

It seems like Phillips would've regularly mentioned it as an option over these last few months

No clause. A lookin is where they try to figure out something that makes more for both sides. There is a lot of resistance to the idea but it is something they could do

I'd like to look in on the look-in:

Jim Phillips: "It'd be a huge help in keeping this conference together if you were able to bump up our dollars, even a little bit. I think it could really stabilize not only the ACC but College Athletics in general."

ESPN bigwig: "No. (checks watch and grabs briefcase). Gotta go."

I'm a big skeptic of lookings in general.
But it is the sort of thing where you could negotiate and come to an agreement where the ACC agrees to do something that they don't have to do like nine conference games, and ESPN agrees and return to do something they don't have to do bump up the AC's guaranteed money by some amount.

Somebody was arguing that Phillips should have insisted on getting an ESPN bump for the ACC going to a division list Conference Championship game, going to division the scheduling. I don't really think that would have worked because I think ESPN would have seen that as 100% of love. The ACC was going to do that even if ESPN said no you don't get any more money.

But the ACC could very well decide to continue to go with eight conference games.
So that's something ESPN might have some interest in.
maybe. Depends how tight the purse strings are nowadays

(05-17-2023 08:24 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]9 conference games.

The problem with this is that an extra ACC conference game provide little if any incentive to ESPN. The reality is that most ACC games currently draw mediocre TV ratings so why would ESPN pony up any extra $$$?? Of course, if ACC football as a whole improved considerably over the next few years, this could change but how likely is that??

(05-18-2023 09:57 AM)PAW79 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023 08:24 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]9 conference games.

The problem with this is that an extra ACC conference game provide little if any incentive to ESPN. The reality is that most ACC games currently draw mediocre TV ratings so why would ESPN pony up any extra $$$?? Of course, if ACC football as a whole improved considerably over the next few years, this could change but how likely is that??

It's also problematic because it causes schools to lose an Out of Conference game. Which may not be an issue to most of the ACC, but when FSU, Clemson, and Georgia Tech are down to three OCC games and one of these is Florida, USC, and UGA, then those teams have a harder time finding space for more quality OCC opponents and they have to balance the occasional OCC game with Notre Dame.

Those game are arguably more valuable than most conference games those teams play.

What years are the look in clauses?

I think they already telegraphed their strategy.

Basically:
#1 Look at ACC TV ratings compared to the New Big 12 TV ratings.
#2 Look at what you pay the New Big 12 compared to what you pay the ACC.

Specifically in markets where the footprint overlaps:
Look at UCF's TV ratings compared to FSU's TV ratings

FSU has already laid the groundwork for the UCF comparisons

Quote:“If you look at the revenue projections, they [Big 12] should have a better agreement than we have by going out to market,” Alford told Warchant.com “That means there’s going to be another school in the state [UCF] that’s going to have a better agreement than Miami and us. And that’s just not acceptable to us.”