ACC schools want more revenue and can't get out of their GoR. Unequal revenue sharing has become a topic being discussed.
Here's another idea. What would it take to remove a school from the ACC? Would the ACC media contract stay the same? i.e. Would the pie be the same but split between fewer members? Could the ACC remove 2,3, maybe 4 schools and split the pie between the remaining schools? What would the legalities look like? What are the conditions that a school could be removed? It would obviously be a bad look for the ACC, but it seems like it's already starting to get a bit ugly.
Having the ACC doing the "weeding out of schools" might make the media companies happier in the long run and more supportive of the ACC.
Would the B1G/SEC get to this point where they might start to remove schools to make room for more brand name schools or expand their reach by removing a school that might duplicate a specific market?
At some point, it seems like conference consolidation will involve removing soem schools from the B1G/SEC. With all the "premiere league" (i.e. the 40-50 school league) pundits, there will be schools in the B1G/SEC that won't make that cut.
The only thing being downsized right now is the field of sports journalism.
When random idiots in Minnesota, Utah, or West Virginia (RIP) can generate more clicks with sourceless garbage than actual journalists, you know their days are numbered.
(05-15-2023 04:56 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote: [ -> ]ACC schools want more revenue and can't get out of their GoR. Unequal revenue sharing has become a topic being discussed.
Here's another idea. What would it take to remove a school from the ACC? Would the ACC media contract stay the same? i.e. Would the pie be the same but split between fewer members? Could the ACC remove 2,3, maybe 4 schools and split the pie between the remaining schools? What would the legalities look like? What are the conditions that a school could be removed? It would obviously be a bad look for the ACC, but it seems like it's already starting to get a bit ugly.
Having the ACC doing the "weeding out of schools" might make the media companies happier in the long run and more supportive of the ACC.
Would the B1G/SEC get to this point where they might start to remove schools to make room for more brand name schools or expand their reach by removing a school that might duplicate a specific market?
At some point, it seems like conference consolidation will involve removing soem schools from the B1G/SEC. With all the "premiere league" (i.e. the 40-50 school league) pundits, there will be schools in the B1G/SEC that won't make that cut.
Ok, so let's presume it's BC and WF - the 2 schools most on this board suggest would be left out of P3/P4 realignment.
Would espn be willing to continue paying the exact same total dollars to the ACC conference that no longer had WF and BC?
I think so.
and that's an extra 70-ish million to spread around to the remaining 12+ND.
But would the ACC schools vote to do that for what would essentially be an extra $5M per school?
I dunno.
(05-15-2023 04:58 PM)jrj84105 Wrote: [ -> ]The only thing being downsized right now is the field of sports journalism.
When random idiots in Minnesota, Utah, or West Virginia (RIP) can generate more clicks with sourceless garbage than actual journalists, you know their days are numbered.
He was an interesting Dude, that's for sure. I didn't particularly like him in life, but I hope that he's happy on his Heavenly Perch up there in that Pressbox in the Sky.
As for "sourceless", I'd say that they have sources, they're just not as well-sourced as Marchand or McMurphy articles/tweets.
(05-15-2023 06:33 PM)Skyhawk Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2023 04:56 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote: [ -> ]ACC schools want more revenue and can't get out of their GoR. Unequal revenue sharing has become a topic being discussed.
Here's another idea. What would it take to remove a school from the ACC? Would the ACC media contract stay the same? i.e. Would the pie be the same but split between fewer members? Could the ACC remove 2,3, maybe 4 schools and split the pie between the remaining schools? What would the legalities look like? What are the conditions that a school could be removed? It would obviously be a bad look for the ACC, but it seems like it's already starting to get a bit ugly.
Having the ACC doing the "weeding out of schools" might make the media companies happier in the long run and more supportive of the ACC.
Would the B1G/SEC get to this point where they might start to remove schools to make room for more brand name schools or expand their reach by removing a school that might duplicate a specific market?
At some point, it seems like conference consolidation will involve removing soem schools from the B1G/SEC. With all the "premiere league" (i.e. the 40-50 school league) pundits, there will be schools in the B1G/SEC that won't make that cut.
Ok, so let's presume it's BC and WF - the 2 schools most on this board suggest would be left out of P3/P4 realignment.
Would espn be willing to continue paying the exact same total dollars to the ACC conference that no longer had WF and BC?
I think so.
and that's an extra 70-ish million to spread around to the remaining 12+ND.
But would the ACC schools vote to do that for what would essentially be an extra $5M per school?
I dunno.
That's their problem. They can't make much, if anything at all, from expansion. They can't shift much around with revenue sharing. Even with the ultimate draconian move of killing off 2 of their members, they don't really net themselves that much more money. There just isn't that much money to go around compared to the P2's revenues. Many here complain that the ACC is woefully underpaid, but I strongly disagree. Their current contract is probably a bit of an overpay for what the ACC produced in 2021 and 2022, a bit of an underpay for what they produced during Clemson's peak years, and I think that it will be a bit of any underpay for the last decade or so of the term. Their issue is not the dollars but rather the length of the contract, which Magnus clearly pointed out last fall was ESPN's price for setting up the ACCN. The problem for Clemson and FSU is that they chose to affiliate with weaker Football schools to boost their shot at a national title, and now the bill has come due. Is it frustrating? Yep. But they won 6 titles between the 2 of them in the ACC, and just about everyone not named Alabama would pay $20-30m a year for 13 years to win 3 titles spread out over a 40 year period.
I will welcome them when they escape, whether it's now, 2036, or any time in between, but I won't have sympathy for their plight.
(05-15-2023 04:56 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote: [ -> ]Has the time come to think about conferences removing schools?
Yes — and the ACC should boot Miami at 9 AM tomorrow
Any conference that tries to kick out teams like Illinois,etc is going to get sued into oblivion by the schools and state governments and probably lose those lawsuits.
(05-15-2023 08:46 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2023 04:56 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote: [ -> ]Has the time come to think about conferences removing schools?
Yes — and the ACC should boot Miami at 9 AM tomorrow
well it would be a Tuesday, so....
(05-15-2023 08:58 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote: [ -> ]Any conference that tries to kick out teams like Illinois,etc is going to get sued into oblivion by the schools and state governments and probably lose those lawsuits.
True, but OP has a valid point. What is Purdue, Vandy, Michigan State, Mississippi State, etc really bringing to the table? Clearly it's no longer about regional travel and rivalry games as selling out for $$$ is what got us here in the first place. How long before Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Alabama figure out a way to keep a bigger piece of the pie?
(05-15-2023 09:31 PM)Shox Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2023 08:58 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote: [ -> ]Any conference that tries to kick out teams like Illinois,etc is going to get sued into oblivion by the schools and state governments and probably lose those lawsuits.
True, but OP has a valid point. What is Purdue, Vandy, Michigan State, Mississippi State, etc really bringing to the table? Clearly it's no longer about regional travel and rivalry games as selling out for $$$ is what got us here in the first place. How long before Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Alabama figure out a way to keep a bigger piece of the pie?
Probably shortly before folks start tuning out college football faster than you can cut a coax cable with a pair of bolt cutters.
(05-15-2023 08:58 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote: [ -> ]Any conference that tries to kick out teams like Illinois,etc is going to get sued into oblivion by the schools and state governments and probably lose those lawsuits.
If the conference bylaws have a procedure for kicking someone out even if they haven’t committed any NCAA violations, what grounds would they have to sue?
Granted, it would probably take a high enough percentage to remove a member that enough of the weaker members could kill the proposal and I don’t see it happening anyway.
(05-15-2023 09:46 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2023 08:58 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote: [ -> ]Any conference that tries to kick out teams like Illinois,etc is going to get sued into oblivion by the schools and state governments and probably lose those lawsuits.
If the conference bylaws have a procedure for kicking someone out even if they haven’t committed any NCAA violations, what grounds would they have to sue?
Granted, it would probably take a high enough percentage to remove a member that enough of the weaker members could kill the proposal and I don’t see it happening anyway.
There probably are bylaws for kicking a school out, I'm just not sure any of the ACC schools meet the necessary criteria. I could very well be wrong but I imagine attendance and competitiveness would be the big ones.
The schools and states could sue for damages to their reputations as major universities or something like that.
(05-15-2023 04:56 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote: [ -> ]Here's another idea. What would it take to remove a school from the ACC?
Per the bylaws, "Among the reasons a Member may be expelled, suspended, or placed on probation for good cause is if it no longer participates in one or more sports which are required for membership in the Conference, if the Member is required by the NCAA to discontinue such required sport because of violations of NCAA regulations, or such Member or one or more of its sports programs becomes incompatible with the objectives of the Conference."
A four win season in football is not grounds for expulsion.
(05-15-2023 08:58 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote: [ -> ]Any conference that tries to kick out teams like Illinois,etc is going to get sued into oblivion by the schools and state governments and probably lose those lawsuits.
How so? If they kick schools in violation of their bylaws, then, yeah, they'd lose a lawsuit. However, if they have procedures for removal of schools in their bylaws, and those procedures are followed, what possible grounds for "getting sued into oblivion" would there be?
(05-15-2023 09:31 PM)Shox Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2023 08:58 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote: [ -> ]Any conference that tries to kick out teams like Illinois,etc is going to get sued into oblivion by the schools and state governments and probably lose those lawsuits.
True, but OP has a valid point. What is Purdue, Vandy, Michigan State, Mississippi State, etc really bringing to the table? Clearly it's no longer about regional travel and rivalry games as selling out for $$$ is what got us here in the first place. How long before Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Alabama figure out a way to keep a bigger piece of the pie?
Michigan St? You have no idea what you're talking about. Let's see what they're doing right..
Last B1G National Champion in Basketball
One of the "new Blue Bloods" in basketball
#10 in All of College sports in Revenues LAST YEAR
Finished ranked in the top 10 just 17 months ago in football
3 other top 10 finishes in the past decade
top half B1G school, a true peer to Iowa, Nebraska and Wisconsin, and a threat to win the B1G in basketball every year and football in many years
The Original Land Grant Institution, we all copied their model
I'm not sure what else you want from them? Maybe move to another State to get out from under the shadow of the school with best combination of Athletics/Academics in America?
I literally laughed out loud when I read what I wrote. And you're a Wichita St fan? Come on man, you should know a little bit about how great Michigan St is, you guys used to be good at basketball.
(05-15-2023 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2023 04:58 PM)jrj84105 Wrote: [ -> ]The only thing being downsized right now is the field of sports journalism.
When random idiots in Minnesota, Utah, or West Virginia (RIP) can generate more clicks with sourceless garbage than actual journalists, you know their days are numbered.
He was an interesting Dude, that's for sure. I didn't particularly like him in life, but I hope that he's happy on his Heavenly Perch up there in that Pressbox in the Sky.
As for "sourceless", I'd say that they have sources, they're just not as well-sourced as Marchand or McMurphy articles/tweets.
I agree with Bryan's take on this. Always remember Flugaur and Monty are entertainment, it will help you enjoy them more if you're watching. They help remind you this realignment stuff is not a matter of life and death.
As for the real reporters the only one I take seriously right now is McMurphy. Everyone else seem to be reaching and projecting their own ideas rather than actual reporting with real sources, but this is just my opinion
(05-15-2023 08:46 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2023 04:56 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote: [ -> ]Has the time come to think about conferences removing schools?
Yes — and the ACC should boot Miami at 9 AM tomorrow
Looks like Miami is taking six friends.
(05-16-2023 05:53 AM)Gitanole Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2023 08:46 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2023 04:56 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote: [ -> ]Has the time come to think about conferences removing schools?
Yes — and the ACC should boot Miami at 9 AM tomorrow
Looks like Miami is taking six friends.
Let's call it five friends ... and the Noles
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