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If teams handle their business, it's looking like the SBC can potentially have 4 this year. Curious to know how that stacks up with previous years.

(05-08-2023 11:51 AM)TTT Wrote: [ -> ]If teams handle their business, it's looking like the SBC can potentially have 4 this year. Curious to know how that stacks up with previous years.

The number to break is 4.

2000 4 teams: Louisiana, South Alabama, FIU, New Orleans
2002 4 teams: Louisiana, South Alabama, FIU, New Mexico State
2013 4 teams: ULM, South Alabama, Troy, FAU
2022 4 teams: Coastal Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia Southern, Texas State

Gotta also remember with 4 more teams in the Sun Belt 4 is easier to hit. The goal going forward should be 5. We all gotta improve the out of conference record. Including USM where we dropped some mid week games we really shouldn't have.

(05-08-2023 01:23 PM)Eagleyed Wrote: [ -> ]Gotta also remember with 4 more teams in the Sun Belt 4 is easier to hit. The goal going forward should be 5. We all gotta improve the out of conference record. Including USM where we dropped some mid week games we really shouldn't have.

We have 9 teams in the Top 100 RPI, and could potentially have 11 by the end of the season. It's more about the NCAA not being willing to cut into the SEC's spots to give us a 5th. Though Bama might have freed up the needed spot.

(05-08-2023 01:25 PM)Luckyshot Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2023 01:23 PM)Eagleyed Wrote: [ -> ]Gotta also remember with 4 more teams in the Sun Belt 4 is easier to hit. The goal going forward should be 5. We all gotta improve the out of conference record. Including USM where we dropped some mid week games we really shouldn't have.

We have 9 teams in the Top 100 RPI, and could potentially have 11 by the end of the season. It's more about the NCAA not being willing to cut into the SEC's spots to give us a 5th. Though Bama might have freed up the needed spot.

Top 50 is what it takes to get into the tourney not top 100. I mean I hate the SEC, but they are probably going to have some teams in the top 30 rpi left out of the tourney. If the tourney selection was held today Troy would get in with an rpi in the lower 30's while some of the SEC teams in the upper 20's get left out.

Texas State would probably get in, but they have ULM at the end of the season which will drag their rpi down badly. If ULM was just a little better rpi wise it wouldn't hurt enough to knock them out. But, even if ULM did badly if overall the Sun Belt did a little better overall it would boost ULM's rpi considering 75% of the rpi isn't the teams record it's opponents and opponents of opponents.

Of course Texas State could just go on a tear win them all pretty much and still get in and we'd have 4.

TXST just needs to cancel the ULM series due to "weather".

I posted in the middle of the season Coastal dodged a bullet by simply not drawing Ark St and ULM. Nothing could be more true for TXST's future by being in the west and having to play both right now. If USM were to somehow drop 2 to ULM the entire west could be eliminated from regionals. Luckily for USM their RPI is stout enough to handle sweeping ULM and only dropping 5 spots.

Troy has stood the test of time this season having been the only west team to have already played both ULM and stAte and come out with a RPI that can get them to the post season.

(05-08-2023 01:35 PM)Eagleyed Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2023 01:25 PM)Luckyshot Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2023 01:23 PM)Eagleyed Wrote: [ -> ]Gotta also remember with 4 more teams in the Sun Belt 4 is easier to hit. The goal going forward should be 5. We all gotta improve the out of conference record. Including USM where we dropped some mid week games we really shouldn't have.

We have 9 teams in the Top 100 RPI, and could potentially have 11 by the end of the season. It's more about the NCAA not being willing to cut into the SEC's spots to give us a 5th. Though Bama might have freed up the needed spot.

Top 50 is what it takes to get into the tourney not top 100. I mean I hate the SEC, but they are probably going to have some teams in the top 30 rpi left out of the tourney. If the tourney selection was held today Troy would get in with an rpi in the lower 30's while some of the SEC teams in the upper 20's get left out.

Texas State would probably get in, but they have ULM at the end of the season which will drag their rpi down badly. If ULM was just a little better rpi wise it wouldn't hurt enough to knock them out. But, even if ULM did badly if overall the Sun Belt did a little better overall it would boost ULM's rpi considering 75% of the rpi isn't the teams record it's opponents and opponents of opponents.

Of course Texas State could just go on a tear win them all pretty much and still get in and we'd have 4.

And if ULM and aSu were each a little better it would help the teams actually plying well to get into the Top 50. Heck, if they were both 100 spots better we might have 6-8 teams in the Top 50.

You're welcome.

I'd talk trash but we drag down football and sadly mens basketball again.

(05-08-2023 01:42 PM)slycat Wrote: [ -> ]TXST just needs to cancel the ULM series due to "weather".

Nawwwww. We just need to take care of our business, and quit playin’ sloppy baseball. The number of errors produced by this squad this season is embarrassing . . .

I'm wondering how likely 5 is this year.

If USM, CCU, Texas State and Troy all handled business down the stretch...and then someone like Louisiana (76), ODU (69), or GaSo (71) fooled around and won the conference tourney, would that get us 5 do you think they'd just put out/replace whoever our 4th team happens to be? SBC T50 RPI's as of right now:

CCU 11
USM 23
Troy 32
Texas State 38

Absolutely ridiculous that a metric used to rank teams can punish someone for winning a game. Not winning a game against a bad team vs. one against a good one, but winning a game in a vacuum. Ranking is a separate issue, but any system that has a positive performance...no matter who it's against...result in a negative rating adjustment needs to be replaced.

That's my not-so-hot take on it.

EXCELLENT !!

(05-08-2023 06:52 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely ridiculous that a metric used to rank teams can punish someone for winning a game. Not winning a game against a bad team vs. one against a good one, but winning a game in a vacuum. Ranking is a separate issue, but any system that has a positive performance...no matter who it's against...result in a negative rating adjustment needs to be replaced.

That's my not-so-hot take on it.

It's supposed to discourage racking up wins against bad teams OOC.

If it was a single elimination format like softball I would find it hard to predict that anyone that isn't CCU, Troy or USM wins the tournament. Since it is double elimination format and if Troy gets put in the single elimination 1st round and both GS and JMU get byes I could see either one playing spoiler in the tournament. Remember GS is only one season removed from hosting and even though they've been very inconsistent they still possess a lot of offensive firepower. To a much lesser extent I could see UL or App pulling it off but they're currently on track for the single elimination round even though they've looked really strong lately.

I could also see the committee sticking it to us if we have 4 teams with a sub-40 RPI and someone outside of at large RPI range wins the tournament...could see them deciding to leave out our lowest RPI team in the 30's.

(05-08-2023 02:54 PM)Luckyshot Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2023 01:35 PM)Eagleyed Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2023 01:25 PM)Luckyshot Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2023 01:23 PM)Eagleyed Wrote: [ -> ]Gotta also remember with 4 more teams in the Sun Belt 4 is easier to hit. The goal going forward should be 5. We all gotta improve the out of conference record. Including USM where we dropped some mid week games we really shouldn't have.

We have 9 teams in the Top 100 RPI, and could potentially have 11 by the end of the season. It's more about the NCAA not being willing to cut into the SEC's spots to give us a 5th. Though Bama might have freed up the needed spot.

Top 50 is what it takes to get into the tourney not top 100. I mean I hate the SEC, but they are probably going to have some teams in the top 30 rpi left out of the tourney. If the tourney selection was held today Troy would get in with an rpi in the lower 30's while some of the SEC teams in the upper 20's get left out.

Texas State would probably get in, but they have ULM at the end of the season which will drag their rpi down badly. If ULM was just a little better rpi wise it wouldn't hurt enough to knock them out. But, even if ULM did badly if overall the Sun Belt did a little better overall it would boost ULM's rpi considering 75% of the rpi isn't the teams record it's opponents and opponents of opponents.

Of course Texas State could just go on a tear win them all pretty much and still get in and we'd have 4.

And if ULM and aSu were each a little better it would help the teams actually plying well to get into the Top 50. Heck, if they were both 100 spots better we might have 6-8 teams in the Top 50.

Our entire baseball budget is less than Coastal pays their coaching staff alone, so yeah. Its to be expected

The question here is, does anyone in our administration care? New AD will have a bunch of decisions to make about the future of baseball once the season ends.

If Big 10 is able to get Indiana, Maryland, Iowa, Rutgers and either of Illinois/Mich St in it will be a good test to know what the committee thinks of Sun Belt.

(05-08-2023 04:10 PM)slycat Wrote: [ -> ]I'd talk trash but we drag down football and sadly mens basketball again.

You guys are fine. But you do remind me of an interesting point. We're discussing NIL in revenue sports on the Herd board because Taylor just got lured away and our team is absolutely gutted in men's basketball.

Sports like baseball, softball, and soccer can bring huge notoriety to a conference. We won't lose players to NIL deals because there is no ROI to pay those players huge NIL money. But they don't bring in money, either, not like football and basketball. So we can use the lesser major sports to keep relevant discussing athletic programs, but we're going to have to work 3 times as hard to put out teams in the two main revenue sports that lead to better TV money. Going to reach a breaking point where all budget goes into those two sports or we surrender trying to improve those two sports. G5 teams do not have the money to consistently produce top tier secondary sports AND top G5 revenue sports in the face of NIL changes. Many P5 teams can't compete that way, either, but they have to try.

Should we keep trying or reorganize priorities to favor only football and basketball, knowing it's uphill all the way?

(05-09-2023 07:46 AM)Luckyshot Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2023 06:52 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely ridiculous that a metric used to rank teams can punish someone for winning a game. Not winning a game against a bad team vs. one against a good one, but winning a game in a vacuum. Ranking is a separate issue, but any system that has a positive performance...no matter who it's against...result in a negative rating adjustment needs to be replaced.

That's my not-so-hot take on it.

It's supposed to discourage racking up wins against bad teams OOC.

And then you have Indiana State with an RPI of 11 at
And a record of 2-9 vs Q1, 5-3 vs Q2, 9-0 vs Q3 and 16-1 vs Q4.