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headline is misleading. Full quote

""There have been no discussions with the Big 12 conference on moving," Crow said. "I mean, there's been discussions between everyone everywhere on all things related to where our conference is going and where stuff's going to end up and what's happening. We are committed to the Pac-12."

so that sounds like confirmation that there are communications. This is just worded carefully

The very fact that he has to say anything about this situation at all is the biggest takeaway here. It’s like when Jerry Jones says that Jason Garrett’s job is safe. If the owner has to publicly proclaim that your job is safe, it’s time to update your resume.

(03-15-2023 10:04 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]headline is misleading. Full quote

""There have been no discussions with the Big 12 conference on moving," Crow said. "I mean, there's been discussions between everyone everywhere on all things related to where our conference is going and where stuff's going to end up and what's happening. We are committed to the Pac-12."

so that sounds like confirmation that there are communications. This is just worded carefully

If by "headline" you mean "thread title" - the tweet is clear enough that it's specifically in reference to discussions "about moving."

But what are they talking about with the B12 if it's not about moving? I'm not saying they're not talking, I'm actually curious what topics could be at hand there. Are they being asked about the progress on the media deal but not going further into "if it ends up bad you have a landing spot" or something?


Also you could read it a different way and say "there have been no discussions with the Big 12 about moving" and take it to mean they've only discussed moving with the B1G or something.


But either way, it's another statement that takes away from the Dodd report that was heavily implying that there were weekly discussions about the 4C moving to the B12.

(03-15-2023 10:04 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]headline is misleading. Full quote

""There have been no discussions with the Big 12 conference on moving," Crow said. "I mean, there's been discussions between everyone everywhere on all things related to where our conference is going and where stuff's going to end up and what's happening. We are committed to the Pac-12."

so that sounds like confirmation that there are communications. This is just worded carefully

Pretty clear to me

(03-15-2023 10:10 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote: [ -> ]The very fact that he has to say anything about this situation at all is the biggest takeaway here. It’s like when Jerry Jones says that Jason Garrett’s job is safe. If the owner has to publicly proclaim that your job is safe, it’s time to update your resume.

Really? If a very prominent figure made a public and misleading statement about you, you wouldn't want to issue a statement correcting it? Especially when it was more than just this one prominent figure and it was a fairly rampant statement?

If you say nothing, people will take it to mean it's true. If you say something, apparently people will take it to mean it's true.


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Of course not. But have you had any discussions with B12 members?

Sign a Media Deal and GOR; then all the speculation goes away.

Halfway through March and PAC10 still floundering.

(03-15-2023 10:10 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote: [ -> ]The very fact that he has to say anything about this situation at all is the biggest takeaway here. It’s like when Jerry Jones says that Jason Garrett’s job is safe. If the owner has to publicly proclaim that your job is safe, it’s time to update your resume.

Yes, the dread "vote of confidence" from the owner - that often precedes the firing.

I did not have sexual relations with that women.

(03-15-2023 10:15 AM)e-parade Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:04 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]headline is misleading. Full quote

""There have been no discussions with the Big 12 conference on moving," Crow said. "I mean, there's been discussions between everyone everywhere on all things related to where our conference is going and where stuff's going to end up and what's happening. We are committed to the Pac-12."

so that sounds like confirmation that there are communications. This is just worded carefully

If by "headline" you mean "thread title" - the tweet is clear enough that it's specifically in reference to discussions "about moving."

But what are they talking about with the B12 if it's not about moving? I'm not saying they're not talking, I'm actually curious what topics could be at hand there. Are they being asked about the progress on the media deal but not going further into "if it ends up bad you have a landing spot" or something?


Also you could read it a different way and say "there have been no discussions with the Big 12 about moving" and take it to mean they've only discussed moving with the B1G or something.


But either way, it's another statement that takes away from the Dodd report that was heavily implying that there were weekly discussions about the 4C moving to the B12.

there are a lot of interesting things that could be being discussed without specifically talking about moving conferences. here are just a few.

1. what is Yormark's media strategy
2. how does the Arizona market fit in to that
3. how does Big 12 media partners feel about expansion in to Arizona
4. Why should Arizona be interested in Big 12

There are tons of things that can be discussed that aren't necessarily about "moving conferences". I really don't know what is being discussed. I just wanted to get out in front of the people ready to pounce on this like the Utah AD comments as proof that Dennis Dodd is a liar and the Global big 12 media conspiracy is pushing their agenda.

This comment was carefully worded and does not say they are not in contact with the Big 12.

He says they are close to a deal on the PAC-12 media rights. The simplest explanation is most likely the correct explanation here.

(03-15-2023 10:24 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Sign a Media Deal and GOR; then all the speculation goes away.

Halfway through March and PAC10 still floundering.

The Pac-12 had an executive meeting last Tuesday and all agreed that the media rights negotiations were progressing just fine. That doesn't sound to me like floundering. Next meeting in two weeks.

"There have been no discussions with the Big 12 conference." Lots of Big 12 people, though.

(03-15-2023 10:36 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:15 AM)e-parade Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:04 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]headline is misleading. Full quote

""There have been no discussions with the Big 12 conference on moving," Crow said. "I mean, there's been discussions between everyone everywhere on all things related to where our conference is going and where stuff's going to end up and what's happening. We are committed to the Pac-12."

so that sounds like confirmation that there are communications. This is just worded carefully

If by "headline" you mean "thread title" - the tweet is clear enough that it's specifically in reference to discussions "about moving."

But what are they talking about with the B12 if it's not about moving? I'm not saying they're not talking, I'm actually curious what topics could be at hand there. Are they being asked about the progress on the media deal but not going further into "if it ends up bad you have a landing spot" or something?


Also you could read it a different way and say "there have been no discussions with the Big 12 about moving" and take it to mean they've only discussed moving with the B1G or something.


But either way, it's another statement that takes away from the Dodd report that was heavily implying that there were weekly discussions about the 4C moving to the B12.

there are a lot of interesting things that could be being discussed without specifically talking about moving conferences. here are just a few.

1. what is Yormark's media strategy
2. how does the Arizona market fit in to that
3. how does Big 12 media partners feel about expansion in to Arizona
4. Why should Arizona be interested in Big 12

There are tons of things that can be discussed that aren't necessarily about "moving conferences". I really don't know what is being discussed. I just wanted to get out in front of the people ready to pounce on this like the Utah AD comments as proof that Dennis Dodd is a liar and the Global big 12 media conspiracy is pushing their agenda.

This comment was carefully worded and does not say they are not in contact with the Big 12.

#1 you list sounds like it would be fine per the note.

2-4 come across as discussions with the Big 12 about moving to it. How could you broach the topic of the B12 going into Arizona without discussing moving to the B12? How would they get into the B12 otherwise?

A 12 team pac 12 with San Diego state and SMU or whoever should be able to get a tv deal equal to a better than the current big 12. The issue is all the pac 12 schools not interested in the pac 12 welfare but instead trying to get into the big 10.

(03-15-2023 10:04 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]headline is misleading. Full quote

""There have been no discussions with the Big 12 conference on moving," Crow said. "I mean, there's been discussions between everyone everywhere on all things related to where our conference is going and where stuff's going to end up and what's happening. We are committed to the Pac-12."

so that sounds like confirmation that there are communications. This is just worded carefully

(03-15-2023 10:35 AM)Big Frog II Wrote: [ -> ]I did not have sexual relations with that women.

Discussion on what the big12 has to offer would have been prudent even if you don’t want to move.

Could this statement meant to publicly pressure Arizona to stay?

(03-15-2023 10:44 AM)e-parade Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:36 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:15 AM)e-parade Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:04 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]headline is misleading. Full quote

""There have been no discussions with the Big 12 conference on moving," Crow said. "I mean, there's been discussions between everyone everywhere on all things related to where our conference is going and where stuff's going to end up and what's happening. We are committed to the Pac-12."

so that sounds like confirmation that there are communications. This is just worded carefully

If by "headline" you mean "thread title" - the tweet is clear enough that it's specifically in reference to discussions "about moving."

But what are they talking about with the B12 if it's not about moving? I'm not saying they're not talking, I'm actually curious what topics could be at hand there. Are they being asked about the progress on the media deal but not going further into "if it ends up bad you have a landing spot" or something?


Also you could read it a different way and say "there have been no discussions with the Big 12 about moving" and take it to mean they've only discussed moving with the B1G or something.


But either way, it's another statement that takes away from the Dodd report that was heavily implying that there were weekly discussions about the 4C moving to the B12.

there are a lot of interesting things that could be being discussed without specifically talking about moving conferences. here are just a few.

1. what is Yormark's media strategy
2. how does the Arizona market fit in to that
3. how does Big 12 media partners feel about expansion in to Arizona
4. Why should Arizona be interested in Big 12

There are tons of things that can be discussed that aren't necessarily about "moving conferences". I really don't know what is being discussed. I just wanted to get out in front of the people ready to pounce on this like the Utah AD comments as proof that Dennis Dodd is a liar and the Global big 12 media conspiracy is pushing their agenda.

This comment was carefully worded and does not say they are not in contact with the Big 12.

#1 you list sounds like it would be fine per the note.

2-4 come across as discussions with the Big 12 about moving to it. How could you broach the topic of the B12 going into Arizona without discussing moving to the B12? How would they get into the B12 otherwise?

I think it is just more like information gathering. How can you weigh your options if you don't really understand what your options are. that doesn't mean you are planning to move, or even want to move.

The only way I see any of the PAC-12 schools jumping ship is if the media deal is absolutely disastrous. I really wish a deal would be pumped out so these talks can fade away and we can get back to just living in the moment again.

(03-15-2023 10:47 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:44 AM)e-parade Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:36 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:15 AM)e-parade Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2023 10:04 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote: [ -> ]headline is misleading. Full quote

""There have been no discussions with the Big 12 conference on moving," Crow said. "I mean, there's been discussions between everyone everywhere on all things related to where our conference is going and where stuff's going to end up and what's happening. We are committed to the Pac-12."

so that sounds like confirmation that there are communications. This is just worded carefully

If by "headline" you mean "thread title" - the tweet is clear enough that it's specifically in reference to discussions "about moving."

But what are they talking about with the B12 if it's not about moving? I'm not saying they're not talking, I'm actually curious what topics could be at hand there. Are they being asked about the progress on the media deal but not going further into "if it ends up bad you have a landing spot" or something?


Also you could read it a different way and say "there have been no discussions with the Big 12 about moving" and take it to mean they've only discussed moving with the B1G or something.


But either way, it's another statement that takes away from the Dodd report that was heavily implying that there were weekly discussions about the 4C moving to the B12.

there are a lot of interesting things that could be being discussed without specifically talking about moving conferences. here are just a few.

1. what is Yormark's media strategy
2. how does the Arizona market fit in to that
3. how does Big 12 media partners feel about expansion in to Arizona
4. Why should Arizona be interested in Big 12

There are tons of things that can be discussed that aren't necessarily about "moving conferences". I really don't know what is being discussed. I just wanted to get out in front of the people ready to pounce on this like the Utah AD comments as proof that Dennis Dodd is a liar and the Global big 12 media conspiracy is pushing their agenda.

This comment was carefully worded and does not say they are not in contact with the Big 12.

#1 you list sounds like it would be fine per the note.

2-4 come across as discussions with the Big 12 about moving to it. How could you broach the topic of the B12 going into Arizona without discussing moving to the B12? How would they get into the B12 otherwise?

I think it is just more like information gathering. How can you weigh your options if you don't really understand what your options are. that doesn't mean you are planning to move, or even want to move.

Which, any AD not discussing this stuff all the time, is not doing his job.