The Mac Championship was a referendum on Candle.
You couldn't fire the MAC championship coach(win), but you could fire a perennial underperformer(lose)?
I mean, isn't the AD looking to make his mark?
Surprised we haven't heard anything...
(12-14-2022 09:49 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote: [ -> ]The Mac Championship was a referendum on Candle.
You couldn't fire the MAC championship coach(win), but you could fire a perennial underperformer(lose)?
By whose standard? I think there was and is a pretty good contingent on this board that didn't see winning the MACC this year as any kind of watermark. More concern about which games were lost than which games were won, I think.
(12-14-2022 10:03 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2022 09:49 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote: [ -> ]The Mac Championship was a referendum on Candle.
You couldn't fire the MAC championship coach(win), but you could fire a perennial underperformer(lose)?
By whose standard? I think there was and is a pretty good contingent on this board that didn't see winning the MACC this year as any kind of watermark. More concern about which games were lost than which games were won, I think.
Totally agreement but it is a tough public relations move to fire a coach the year he wins the conference.
Have to do one or the other. Can’t have a lame duck head coach
Blair is waiting till after what happens in the bowl game ?
(12-14-2022 10:38 PM)T4C8 Wrote: [ -> ]Have to do one or the other. Can’t have a lame duck head coach
Reasons?
If schools can survive a sudden off-season or late-season hiring, It's not optimal but I think a program can survive a lame-duck year. I'm not convinced that's not an agent's bluff.
A professional, or at least one wanting that next job is going to keep the program running. Players can leave and establish much easier these days. Less reason for them to leave under a lame-duck when they can stay with that coach and leave at the end of season, maybe even land where the coach lands or stay if the coach gets and accepts a new contract.
(12-14-2022 09:49 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote: [ -> ]The Mac Championship was a referendum on Candle.
You couldn't fire the MAC championship coach(win), but you could fire a perennial underperformer(lose)?
I mean, isn't the AD looking to make his mark?
Surprised we haven't heard anything...
ahhhhh... don't they have a bowl game to play....... (hence why is no news a surprise to any one????)
I suspect Candle is keeping options open
Maybe because he does not like what has been presented by UT
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or AD has told him "lets talk after the bowl game" or "we have agreement, but lets wait until after bowl game to announce"
- who really knows, just that it's not surprising to me that decision has yet been made or announced at this point....
It's possible 1-3 to end the year would be enough for a firing. Folks who don't love our coach should be happy no news of an extension has been made. Maybe Blair wants other dominoes to fall and see if Candle would land elsewhere making his decision easier. 8-5 with a MACC is about as tough as circumstances as Blair could have asked for honestly. 9-5 or 8-6 may clear up that circumstance. If a candidate or two is on our staff already, Blair may not need a national search of depleted candidates either. Time will tell.
Candle is not getting fired..even if they lose the bowl game.....he either accepts the contract extension offered or decides to go elsewhere for more money or better opportunity as OC (and yes very possible AD low balls the extension which forces Candle's hand, which actually would be a good strategy by the AD)
(12-15-2022 03:20 PM)PaulJ Wrote: [ -> ]Candle is not getting fired..even if they lose the bowl game.....he either accepts the contract extension offered or decides to go elsewhere for more money or better opportunity as OC (and yes very possible AD low balls the extension which forces Candle's hand, which actually would be a good strategy by the AD)
I agree. IDK why some feel the need to presume what would make others happy regards this. ANY change in HC stresses a fan base but individuals on the board have no problem stating their own feelings.
As far as "low ball" vs. "earn it." If the coach is the competitor he seems, a contract that has a low end but makes a clear path towards earning it, probably isn't a barrier. He wouldn't take that as "insult." I think it's mostly about opportunities.
Maybe the base salary should be lowered with more incentives.
I doubt winning the MAC is worth more than $100K. I used to have TA's contract but I don't have JC's. It should be available as a public servant -TA's was.
I frankly don't understand the low incentives. It's obvious HC agents have the positional/negotiation advantage. The goals are 10 wins, a championship, a bowl win, etc.
I think almost all of the previously mentioned reasons for no announced new contract can be true at same time. JC could be in a hold position as well as BB. Strange dynamics in this situation for sure. New AD, A HC not overly appreciated by fan base, highest salary in the league, cost cutting, winning a championship, etc., etc. Almost as complicated a situation as could possibly be imagined.
It will be interesting.
I suspect he gets an extension at current salary or with slightly increased incentives. I think the administration/AD has to show some sort of negotiation win
Go Rockets!
I think your conclusion as to likely outcome is right on point
(12-14-2022 10:03 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2022 09:49 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote: [ -> ]The Mac Championship was a referendum on Candle.
You couldn't fire the MAC championship coach(win), but you could fire a perennial underperformer(lose)?
By whose standard? I think there was and is a pretty good contingent on this board that didn't see winning the MACC this year as any kind of watermark. More concern about which games were lost than which games were won, I think.
this is getting old!
(12-14-2022 10:57 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2022 10:38 PM)T4C8 Wrote: [ -> ]Have to do one or the other. Can’t have a lame duck head coach
Reasons?
If schools can survive a sudden off-season or late-season hiring, It's not optimal but I think a program can survive a lame-duck year. I'm not convinced that's not an agent's bluff.
A professional, or at least one wanting that next job is going to keep the program running. Players can leave and establish much easier these days. Less reason for them to leave under a lame-duck when they can stay with that coach and leave at the end of season, maybe even land where the coach lands or stay if the coach gets and accepts a new contract.
Not happening.... he's getting an extension and a raise
Early Signing day is the 21st of December. Candle has put together a solid class. He will stay at UT unless a big time head coaching job opens up for him.
(12-15-2022 06:00 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Early Signing day is the 21st of December. Candle has put together a solid class. He will stay at UT unless a big time head coaching job opens up for him.
If Candle gets an extension, I hope he's on a short leash with changes that need to be made. Don't know how UT continues to pay his current salary since it is broke.
(12-15-2022 06:17 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2022 06:00 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Early Signing day is the 21st of December. Candle has put together a solid class. He will stay at UT unless a big time head coaching job opens up for him.
If Candle gets an extension, I hope he's on a short leash with changes that need to be made. Don't know how UT continues to pay his current salary since it is broke.
If the extension is a done deal as some seem to know, what possibly could be a reason to not announce it before the bowl game? Who would want players and fans going into a bowl game with doubt hanging in the air? Wouldn't it be better to just announce it already?