As a fan of a Big East school we took more crap then any league. Now look at it, you have a 4 loss All Crap Conference team taking up a AQ BCS Bid while the Big East Champ and runner up are a combine 19-3 in UofL and WVU.
Now if we were under the new BCS Rules the MWC would have team in the BCS in TCU because the would be in front of the ACC Champ in the Final BCS Standings.
Even if Florida State is undeserving, that doesn't make WVU any less undeserving.
Ohio State, Oregon, Notre Dame, Auburn, LSU, and Virginia Tech are all more deserving of a "major bowl" than WVU.
Funny thing about the new BCS rules is that every year they will have the best non-BCS teams rooting for someone like Florida State or Colorado to pull the conference title game upset. Of course, the Big East will still be the most likely ticket to a BCS bowl for a non-BCS team, because the Big East champ will always be outside the top 16 unless they have no losses or one loss.
WVU doesn't look that bad, they seem BCS worthy this year. Now if Georgia takes them to the woodshed then that might change some things.
I will say this for FSU, they actually beat Virginia Tech, something your boys West Virginia couldn't do even at home. On top of that they also beat Miami so I would say they are about as deserving as WVU.
Who did WVU really beat?? a 6-5 Maryland team, my ECU pirates by 5 points, what proved to be an slightly overated Louisville team? The major big east out of conference big wins were Oregon State, UNC and Maryland all about .500 teams. Face it the Big East is much like the MWC and old CUSA. You have a couple of teams that run through the conference with only one loss, maybe they beat one 6-5 team from a power conference and you have to put them in the top 15 because of the flashy record. Look at TCU if you want the proof they are what 3 spots behind WVU. Most other 1 loss teams were talking about the title picture if USC or Texas lost today not about maybe cracking the top 10.
Just beat who ever you play in the BCS and then you will get the respect. Louisville you do the same in the Gator. If you do that everyone in the media will have to get off your backs.
FSU is a good team but this once again illuminates what is wrong with the BCS. At 8-4 for them to get a BCS bid is ridiculous.
The press will give them a pass because they are FSU and have Coach Bowden.
If it was WVU or UL coming in at 8-4 the press would be howling. This shows the problem with the Conference Championship Games. Maybe the BCS should still have the option of picking the highest ranked member of a BCS conference rather then the winner of the Championship game for years like this.
Better idea...Trash the BCS and start all over with equal access for everybody.
StillJonesing Wrote:I will say this for FSU, they actually beat Virginia Tech, something your boys West Virginia couldn't do even at home. On top of that they also beat Miami so I would say they are about as deserving as WVU.
Who did WVU really beat?? a 6-5 Maryland team, my ECU pirates by 5 points, what proved to be an slightly overated Louisville team? The major big east out of conference big wins were Oregon State, UNC and Maryland all about .500 teams. Face it the Big East is much like the MWC and old CUSA. You have a couple of teams that run through the conference with only one loss, maybe they beat one 6-5 team from a power conference and you have to put them in the top 15 because of the flashy record. Look at TCU if you want the proof they are what 3 spots behind WVU. Most other 1 loss teams were talking about the title picture if USC or Texas lost today not about maybe cracking the top 10.
Just beat who ever you play in the BCS and then you will get the respect. Louisville you do the same in the Gator. If you do that everyone in the media will have to get off your backs.
Spin, spin, spin. Last year Pitt beat several Top 25 squads (West Virginia, Notre Dame, Boston College) so, again, what's the difference. Just because "our boys" West Virginia didn't beat Virginia Tech doesn't mean anything. I mean whining about the Big East's schedule is weak. Just admit it, Florida State is a far worse representative for the BCS then what you thought the Big East brought to the table. They have more losses then Pitt did last year going in. But you can keep spinning all you want. If Florida State was deserving of a BCS bid then you have to admit that Pittsburgh was deserving of a BCS bid last year, they beat about the same number of Top 25 teams as Florida State.
Florida State would be undefeated,untied, and unchallenged in the BE!
hbengal Wrote:Florida State would be undefeated,untied, and unchallenged in the BE!
I seriously doubt that, FSU could barely beat a Maryland team at home while WVU dominated the Terps in College Park.
I love it, after all the bashing we took this year you now have a 4 loss ACC school in a BCS Bowl game.
And it still doesn't change the fact that the BE does not deserve BCS status.
West Is the Best Wrote:And it still doesn't change the fact that the BE does not deserve BCS status.
Then neither does the ACC.
1999 a 4 Loss Stanford team goes to the Rose Bowl
2000 a 3 Loss Purdue team goes to the Rose Bowl
2002 a 4 Loss Florida State team goes to the Sugar Bowl
2004 a 3 Loss Pittsburgh team goes to the Fiesta Bowl
2005 a 4 Loss Florida State team goes to the Orange Bowl.
It seems to me that the ACC is send 4 loss teams to BCS Game.
:D
:stupid:
Maize Wrote:West Is the Best Wrote:And it still doesn't change the fact that the BE does not deserve BCS status.
Then neither does the ACC.
1999 a 4 Loss Stanford team goes to the Rose Bowl
2000 a 3 Loss Purdue team goes to the Rose Bowl
2002 a 4 Loss Florida State team goes to the Sugar Bowl
2004 a 3 Loss Pittsburgh team goes to the Fiesta Bowl
2005 a 4 Loss Florida State team goes to the Orange Bowl.
It seems to me that the ACC is send 4 loss teams to BCS Game. :D :stupid:
I agree with you, Maize. I think the whole system is screwed up, but who am I? Just some redneck from Missippi. :rolleyes:
Maize Wrote:West Is the Best Wrote:And it still doesn't change the fact that the BE does not deserve BCS status.
Then neither does the ACC.
1999 a 4 Loss Stanford team goes to the Rose Bowl
2000 a 3 Loss Purdue team goes to the Rose Bowl
2002 a 4 Loss Florida State team goes to the Sugar Bowl
2004 a 3 Loss Pittsburgh team goes to the Fiesta Bowl
2005 a 4 Loss Florida State team goes to the Orange Bowl.
It seems to me that the ACC is send 4 loss teams to BCS Game. :D :stupid:
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There's a huge difference between last year's Big East BCS rep, and this year's ACC BCS rep.
2004 Pittsburgh Quality Wins:
Pittsburgh 20 - Boston College 17 (Top 25 win)
2004 Pittsburgh Bad Losses:
Syracuse 38 - Pittsburgh 31
Nebraska 24 - Pittsburgh 17
Pittsburgh 41 - Furman 38 (Furman put a hurtin' on Pitt but ran outta gas. This might as well be a loss. A BCS conference team has no buisness being dominated and pushed around by a I-AA team. I hope Stanford (UC-Davis loss anyone?) is listening.)
2005 Florida State Quality Wins:
FSU 27 - Va Tech 22 (Top 10 win)
FSU 10 - Miami 7 (Top 10 win)
FSU 28 - Boston College 17 (Top 25 win)
2005 Florida State Bad Losses:
Virginia 26 - FSU 21
NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Big East Co-Champion Syracuse 14
ACC #6 Georgia Tech 51
The GT second, third, and fourth strings combined to outscore Syracuse.
So, using your one-common-opponent logic (FSU<-->MD<-->WV), we can declare at least six teams in the ACC better than every single team in the Big East last year. Furthermore, going by the sheer margain of victory, let's go ahead and say 8 or 9 ACC teams were better than the entire Big East last year.
It is absolutely sad you have to justify your conference and/or quelch your inferiority complex by ignoring everything but the loss column. Following your approach, a Sun Belt team that goes undefeated should be better than everybody in the nation but USC and Texas. It must be nice to live in a world that is so convienently molded to comfort you while ignoring a landslide of counter evidence.
hbengal Wrote:Florida State would be undefeated,untied, and unchallenged in the BE!
They lost at their last visit to Louisville!
GTS, I don't have a inferiority complex, just laughing at the fact that the ACC Champ has a loss to the following schools:
Clemson, Virginia, NC State and Florida, they are not world beaters.
It is not my fault that the ACC has sent more 4 loss teams to BCS Bowls then any other league and Swofford plan has for right now blown up in his face.
You killed a great basketball league with a great setup for this Championship game that is sending the worse ACC Champ maybe ever to a BCS Bowl game.
Cat's_Claw Wrote:Last year Pitt beat several Top 25 squads (West Virginia, Notre Dame, Boston College) so, again, what's the difference.
*blows whistle*
PERSONAL FOUL on the post. Excessive lies. That will be a 15 yard penalty and loss of down.
Pitt beat ONE TEAM that finished in the final Top 25... Boston College at #21. Barring a huge plummet for Va Tech today, FSU has beaten two teams in the TOP TEN, and THREE in the Top 25.
Your argument isn't worthy of washing my message board jock strap.
Maize Wrote:GTS, I don't have a inferiority complex, just laughing at the fact that the ACC Champ has a loss to the following schools:
Clemson, Virginia, NC State and Florida, they are not world beaters.
It is not my fault that the ACC has sent more 4 loss teams to BCS Bowls then any other league and Swofford plan has for right now blown up in his face.
You killed a great basketball league with a great setup for this Championship game that is sending the worse ACC Champ maybe ever to a BCS Bowl game.
Florida is currently ranked.
Clemson is currently ranked.
Virginia is a bad loss, in my opinion, despite their above .500 record.
They get a pass on NC State b/c Chuckie has just plain owned the Seminoles for some time. It's one of those team matchups that makes no sense but continues to happen. Georgia Tech losses both it's basketball games almost every friggin year against NC State. Even their Final Four team was swept by State. Conversely, their football team is something like 2-12 against GT in those last matchups -- even when Tech was struggling hard post O'Leary and NC State was riding high in the Philip Rivers era. Some teams give others fits regardless of rank. NC State is FSU's bugaboo.
Cat's_Claw Wrote:Spin, spin, spin. Last year Pitt beat several Top 25 squads (West Virginia, Notre Dame, Boston College) so, again, what's the difference. Just because "our boys" West Virginia didn't beat Virginia Tech doesn't mean anything. I mean whining about the Big East's schedule is weak. Just admit it, Florida State is a far worse representative for the BCS then what you thought the Big East brought to the table. They have more losses then Pitt did last year going in. But you can keep spinning all you want. If Florida State was deserving of a BCS bid then you have to admit that Pittsburgh was deserving of a BCS bid last year, they beat about the same number of Top 25 teams as Florida State.
Boy, talk about spinning....How could Pitt beat several ranked teams last year when WVU dropped the last three and were not even ranked, Notre Dame didn't even have a winning season. BC was the ONLY legit team they beat and they lost to TWO other teams that did not have a winning season: Nebraska and Syracuse.....Not even mentioning HOW bad they lost to a non-bcs team in the Bowl. It made the bigEast look pathetic. Add the loss by WVU in the bowl game and you can see why the bigEast gets hammered.
Maize Wrote:GTS, I don't have a inferiority complex, just laughing at the fact that the ACC Champ has a loss to the following schools:
Clemson, Virginia, NC State and Florida, they are not world beaters.
It is not my fault that the ACC has sent more 4 loss teams to BCS Bowls then any other league and Swofford plan has for right now blown up in his face.
You killed a great basketball league with a great setup for this Championship game that is sending the worse ACC Champ maybe ever to a BCS Bowl game.
Is there any doubt that Florida State would beat the Big East champs...NO!
Heck, Virginia Tech hammered them so bad in Morgantown, they laid down and qquit. They didn't even get a first down in the 4th quarter.
BTW, the ACC won the ACC-Big10 Challenge for ... what... the 7th time in 7 challenges? Even the teams suffering from MASSIVE loss of starters are showing signs of being dynamite as time progresses. GT 86 - Michigan State 88 ..... UNC went into Rupp yesterday and took out #10 Kentucky. The ACC as a basketball conference is doing just fine, and in any given year is the best conference top to bottom. The Big East has grown FAR FAR FAR too bloated in basketball. They may look good early, but there will be a talent vacuum occuring in that league shortly. Same thing with ACC football. SOMEBODY will have to fall into the cellar on a near-permanent basis. Every mega-conference has two football doormats. Who's going to join Duke? Wake Forest is slowly suffering attrition. Georgia Tech, sadly, has their program's back to the wall with the massive administrative screw ups. Same effect will happen to the Big East in basketball. Only, with so many teams, alot more people will feel the pain of suddenly having the competition for their recruits double or even triple.
Why not settle all of the BCS crap once and for all and just have a playoff system? It works in the NFL and it works in the other NCAA Divisions. The real reason it won't work in D1A football is that there is too much money tied up on bowls games for the schools, the sponsors, the hosts, the communities. The game has been corrupted by money. :mad: