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(11-27-2022 10:06 AM)uiniu57 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 10:20 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]

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(11-26-2022 08:45 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]Truth is HS head coaches moving to be coordinators on the D1 level isn’t crazy. I would welcome it.

Yes it is! So thank God you have no role in the decision-making process. The majority of people on here do not consider DIII or DII coaches to necessarily be qualified for coordinator positions and you want someone to make the jump from high school to DI coordinator. That is crazy!

It’s not though. It has been successful, and Hammock has no connections - the idea is not that far fetched.

Yes it is that far fetched. No. 1, How do you know Hammock has no connections? No. 2, IF in the unlikely event he "has no connections" despite having been a running backs coach at NIU and Minnesota, co-offensive coordinator at Minnesota, assistant head coach at Wisconsin, running backs coach with the Baltimore Ravens, maybe some assistant coach somewhere is looking for a Division I job that you don't know about. Why wouldn't a GA from some FBS or FCS be less qualified than a high school coach?

You are moving the goal posts. I said a high school HC moving to a D1 coordinator job is not far fetched. If you know how to use the google you can find a bunch of guys who have done so (some even straight to HC…which is crazy).

He has no connections, that’s a known thing - I mean if he had great connections would this staff be full of cast offs? The only guy who had any kind of buzz was the OC - and since stepping up from South Dakota he hasn’t done amazing.

So again, yes a high school HC could be a good choice for OC. He’ll, a bunch of high school HCs were position coaches, or GAs, at one point. So your argument is a clear case of moving the goal posts. Some people like to try to do that to win an argument…by changing the argument. Lol

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(11-27-2022 01:02 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 10:06 AM)uiniu57 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 10:20 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 09:35 PM)uiniu57 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 08:45 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]Truth is HS head coaches moving to be coordinators on the D1 level isn’t crazy. I would welcome it.

Yes it is! So thank God you have no role in the decision-making process. The majority of people on here do not consider DIII or DII coaches to necessarily be qualified for coordinator positions and you want someone to make the jump from high school to DI coordinator. That is crazy!

It’s not though. It has been successful, and Hammock has no connections - the idea is not that far fetched.

Yes it is that far fetched. No. 1, How do you know Hammock has no connections? No. 2, IF in the unlikely event he "has no connections" despite having been a running backs coach at NIU and Minnesota, co-offensive coordinator at Minnesota, assistant head coach at Wisconsin, running backs coach with the Baltimore Ravens, maybe some assistant coach somewhere is looking for a Division I job that you don't know about. Why wouldn't a GA from some FBS or FCS be less qualified than a high school coach?

You are moving the goal posts. I said a high school HC moving to a D1 coordinator job is not far fetched. If you know how to use the google you can find a bunch of guys who have done so (some even straight to HC…which is crazy).

He has no connections, that’s a known thing - I mean if he had great connections would this staff be full of cast offs? The only guy who had any kind of buzz was the OC - and since stepping up from South Dakota he hasn’t done amazing.

So again, yes a high school HC could be a good choice for OC. He’ll, a bunch of high school HCs were position coaches, or GAs, at one point. So your argument is a clear case of moving the goal posts. Some people like to try to do that to win an argument…by changing the argument. Lol

Please give 3 examples of an IL HS coach going directly to D1 coordinator? Preferably in the last 5 years

(11-27-2022 02:49 PM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 01:02 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 10:06 AM)uiniu57 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 10:20 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 09:35 PM)uiniu57 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes it is! So thank God you have no role in the decision-making process. The majority of people on here do not consider DIII or DII coaches to necessarily be qualified for coordinator positions and you want someone to make the jump from high school to DI coordinator. That is crazy!

It’s not though. It has been successful, and Hammock has no connections - the idea is not that far fetched.

Yes it is that far fetched. No. 1, How do you know Hammock has no connections? No. 2, IF in the unlikely event he "has no connections" despite having been a running backs coach at NIU and Minnesota, co-offensive coordinator at Minnesota, assistant head coach at Wisconsin, running backs coach with the Baltimore Ravens, maybe some assistant coach somewhere is looking for a Division I job that you don't know about. Why wouldn't a GA from some FBS or FCS be less qualified than a high school coach?

You are moving the goal posts. I said a high school HC moving to a D1 coordinator job is not far fetched. If you know how to use the google you can find a bunch of guys who have done so (some even straight to HC…which is crazy).

He has no connections, that’s a known thing - I mean if he had great connections would this staff be full of cast offs? The only guy who had any kind of buzz was the OC - and since stepping up from South Dakota he hasn’t done amazing.

So again, yes a high school HC could be a good choice for OC. He’ll, a bunch of high school HCs were position coaches, or GAs, at one point. So your argument is a clear case of moving the goal posts. Some people like to try to do that to win an argument…by changing the argument. Lol

Please give 3 examples of an IL HS coach going directly to D1 coordinator? Preferably in the last 5 years

Why does it have to be Illinois HS coaches? That's really narrowing the pool. There have been many HS coaches who have made the jump.

(11-27-2022 02:51 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:49 PM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 01:02 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 10:06 AM)uiniu57 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 10:20 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not though. It has been successful, and Hammock has no connections - the idea is not that far fetched.

Yes it is that far fetched. No. 1, How do you know Hammock has no connections? No. 2, IF in the unlikely event he "has no connections" despite having been a running backs coach at NIU and Minnesota, co-offensive coordinator at Minnesota, assistant head coach at Wisconsin, running backs coach with the Baltimore Ravens, maybe some assistant coach somewhere is looking for a Division I job that you don't know about. Why wouldn't a GA from some FBS or FCS be less qualified than a high school coach?

You are moving the goal posts. I said a high school HC moving to a D1 coordinator job is not far fetched. If you know how to use the google you can find a bunch of guys who have done so (some even straight to HC…which is crazy).

He has no connections, that’s a known thing - I mean if he had great connections would this staff be full of cast offs? The only guy who had any kind of buzz was the OC - and since stepping up from South Dakota he hasn’t done amazing.

So again, yes a high school HC could be a good choice for OC. He’ll, a bunch of high school HCs were position coaches, or GAs, at one point. So your argument is a clear case of moving the goal posts. Some people like to try to do that to win an argument…by changing the argument. Lol

Please give 3 examples of an IL HS coach going directly to D1 coordinator? Preferably in the last 5 years

Why does it have to be Illinois HS coaches? That's really narrowing the pool. There have been many HS coaches who have made the jump.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I'm curious who are 3 HS coaches (in the country...not just limited to Illinois) who have made the jump from HS to D1 are in the past 5 years.

Akron destroyed us with their backup QB.

(11-27-2022 02:58 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:51 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:49 PM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 01:02 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 10:06 AM)uiniu57 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes it is that far fetched. No. 1, How do you know Hammock has no connections? No. 2, IF in the unlikely event he "has no connections" despite having been a running backs coach at NIU and Minnesota, co-offensive coordinator at Minnesota, assistant head coach at Wisconsin, running backs coach with the Baltimore Ravens, maybe some assistant coach somewhere is looking for a Division I job that you don't know about. Why wouldn't a GA from some FBS or FCS be less qualified than a high school coach?

You are moving the goal posts. I said a high school HC moving to a D1 coordinator job is not far fetched. If you know how to use the google you can find a bunch of guys who have done so (some even straight to HC…which is crazy).

He has no connections, that’s a known thing - I mean if he had great connections would this staff be full of cast offs? The only guy who had any kind of buzz was the OC - and since stepping up from South Dakota he hasn’t done amazing.

So again, yes a high school HC could be a good choice for OC. He’ll, a bunch of high school HCs were position coaches, or GAs, at one point. So your argument is a clear case of moving the goal posts. Some people like to try to do that to win an argument…by changing the argument. Lol

Please give 3 examples of an IL HS coach going directly to D1 coordinator? Preferably in the last 5 years

Why does it have to be Illinois HS coaches? That's really narrowing the pool. There have been many HS coaches who have made the jump.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I'm curious who are 3 HS coaches (in the country...not just limited to Illinois) who have made the jump from HS to D1 are in the past 5 years.

Upon further research, these coaches who were successful in jumping from high school to college had coordinator buffering in between.

(11-26-2022 06:36 PM)mustangfootball2004 Wrote: [ -> ]Well, at least one Huskie is having another great year. Jordan Lynch is getting his second state title at Mount Carmel. Was hoping Rita would pull off the upset last week but fell short. Tip my cap to Jordan Lynch.

And Mt. Carmel beat my alma mater, Loyola Academy, who won the 8A title.

(11-27-2022 03:31 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:58 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:51 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:49 PM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 01:02 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]You are moving the goal posts. I said a high school HC moving to a D1 coordinator job is not far fetched. If you know how to use the google you can find a bunch of guys who have done so (some even straight to HC…which is crazy).

He has no connections, that’s a known thing - I mean if he had great connections would this staff be full of cast offs? The only guy who had any kind of buzz was the OC - and since stepping up from South Dakota he hasn’t done amazing.

So again, yes a high school HC could be a good choice for OC. He’ll, a bunch of high school HCs were position coaches, or GAs, at one point. So your argument is a clear case of moving the goal posts. Some people like to try to do that to win an argument…by changing the argument. Lol

Please give 3 examples of an IL HS coach going directly to D1 coordinator? Preferably in the last 5 years

Why does it have to be Illinois HS coaches? That's really narrowing the pool. There have been many HS coaches who have made the jump.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I'm curious who are 3 HS coaches (in the country...not just limited to Illinois) who have made the jump from HS to D1 are in the past 5 years.

Upon further research, these coaches who were successful in jumping from high school to college had coordinator buffering in between.

Well...I'm glad this is settled and happy to have helped.

(11-27-2022 04:22 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 03:31 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:58 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:51 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:49 PM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]Please give 3 examples of an IL HS coach going directly to D1 coordinator? Preferably in the last 5 years

Why does it have to be Illinois HS coaches? That's really narrowing the pool. There have been many HS coaches who have made the jump.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I'm curious who are 3 HS coaches (in the country...not just limited to Illinois) who have made the jump from HS to D1 are in the past 5 years.

Upon further research, these coaches who were successful in jumping from high school to college had coordinator buffering in between.

Well...I'm glad this is settled and happy to have helped.

I know Nevada tried hiring legendary Bishop Gorman's coach to head their program. It ended terribly.

(11-27-2022 04:30 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 04:22 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 03:31 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:58 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:51 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]Why does it have to be Illinois HS coaches? That's really narrowing the pool. There have been many HS coaches who have made the jump.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I'm curious who are 3 HS coaches (in the country...not just limited to Illinois) who have made the jump from HS to D1 are in the past 5 years.

Upon further research, these coaches who were successful in jumping from high school to college had coordinator buffering in between.

Well...I'm glad this is settled and happy to have helped.

I know Nevada tried hiring legendary Bishop Gorman's coach to head their program. It ended terribly.

Are you talking about Tony Sanchez? Because he did go from Bishop Gordon (85-5 over 6 seasons) to the HC job at UNLV where he went 20-40 over 5 seasons.

He's currently the WR coach at New Mexico State.

(11-27-2022 05:24 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 04:30 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 04:22 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 03:31 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 02:58 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have a dog in this fight but I'm curious who are 3 HS coaches (in the country...not just limited to Illinois) who have made the jump from HS to D1 are in the past 5 years.

Upon further research, these coaches who were successful in jumping from high school to college had coordinator buffering in between.

Well...I'm glad this is settled and happy to have helped.

I know Nevada tried hiring legendary Bishop Gorman's coach to head their program. It ended terribly.

Are you talking about Tony Sanchez? Because he did go from Bishop Gordon (85-5 over 6 seasons) to the HC job at UNLV where he went 20-40 over 5 seasons.

He's currently the WR coach at New Mexico State.

Ah yes. That was it. UNLV, which is a really really hard program to try and turn around. They have a nice stadium tho.

(11-27-2022 05:27 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 05:24 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 04:30 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 04:22 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 03:31 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]Upon further research, these coaches who were successful in jumping from high school to college had coordinator buffering in between.

Well...I'm glad this is settled and happy to have helped.

I know Nevada tried hiring legendary Bishop Gorman's coach to head their program. It ended terribly.

Are you talking about Tony Sanchez? Because he did go from Bishop Gordon (85-5 over 6 seasons) to the HC job at UNLV where he went 20-40 over 5 seasons.

He's currently the WR coach at New Mexico State.

Ah yes. That was it. UNLV, which is a really really hard program to try and turn around. They have a nice stadium tho.

They're old stadium was fine but their new one is....well...otherworldly for a program like UNLV. I wonder what the university is paying to rent that place?

A super quick google search says it might be upwards of $250k per game but there are some qualifications worked into the deal that may adjust that number somewhat.

Wow...

Sam Boyd Stadium is beautiful and has a great view of the mountains. I'm sure it gets hot in the stadium early in the season but no one forces them to play at noon (as far as I know).

I guess they have money to burn. Seems like there are other areas they could utilize that money, but I digress.

(11-26-2022 05:08 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 05:04 PM)Teamduh Wrote: [ -> ]I left at halftime. This team quit or is just bad. Either way that was embarrassing.

Probably just gave up. Why risk an injury or play hard to get to 4-8. This game was meaningless, except to the seniors. To get blown out by 1-9 Akron is just icing on the cake for this season.

What was Akron playing for? For dignity, for pride, for team, for the fans, for team-mates, for the coaches, for Akron, to not be embarrassed!
"Why risk an injury or play hard"? Why show up at all! Mail it in. NIU footbal embarrassed themselves, embarrassed NIU and embarrassed NIU fans.
And as a bonus we have 4 more years of that fat puke of a coach. Was he embarrassed? Did he apologize to the fans and NIU? 4 MORE YEARS.

(11-27-2022 07:53 PM)El Duderino Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 05:08 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2022 05:04 PM)Teamduh Wrote: [ -> ]I left at halftime. This team quit or is just bad. Either way that was embarrassing.

Probably just gave up. Why risk an injury or play hard to get to 4-8. This game was meaningless, except to the seniors. To get blown out by 1-9 Akron is just icing on the cake for this season.

What was Akron playing for? For dignity, for pride, for team, for the fans, for team-mates, for the coaches, for Akron, to not be embarrassed!
"Why risk an injury or play hard"? Why show up at all! Mail it in. NIU footbal embarrassed themselves, embarrassed NIU and embarrassed NIU fans.
And as a bonus we have 4 more years of that fat puke of a coach. Was he embarrassed? Did he apologize to the fans and NIU? 4 MORE YEARS.

El Dude you're a LOSER. Hams is our coach who delivered a championship that losers like you could not even imagine winning much less make the effort to make it happen. Name calling of champions is unacceptable,

We noticed the difference on the two sidelines before the game even started. Huskies had zero “juice” (I guess the jerseys got lost). Standing around like a bunch of mopes. Akron was fired up from the get-go, like they were playing in the Sugar Bowl. Kudos to the Zips. They deserved to win that game.

(11-27-2022 07:53 PM)El Duderino Wrote: [ -> ]NIU footbal embarrassed themselves, embarrassed NIU and embarrassed NIU fans. And as a bonus we have 4 more years of that fat puke of a coach. Was he embarrassed? Did he apologize to the fans and NIU? 4 MORE YEARS.

Go find another football program to support.

(11-27-2022 01:02 PM)BigChilla Wrote: [ -> ]I said a high school HC moving to a D1 coordinator job is not far fetched. If you know how to use the google you can find a bunch of guys who have done so (some even straight to HC…which is crazy).

How about you use google and come up with a list and as to your "some even straight to HC," do you mean like the legendary Gerry Faust at Notre Dame, who then washed out at Akron. Or maybe you mean Bob Cummings at Iowa.
As much as the game has changed in terms of recruiting, scheduling, the portal, etc., try to limit your google search to the last seven or eight years.
Regardless of what you, I, or anyone else thinks of Hammock, the only important person in this equation is STF. Since you believe you have such a strong grasp on collegiate football, how about you tell us what connections STF has in order to find a replacement. Keep in mind that a majority on this board (myself included) wanted Hot Rod gone, maybe we should all be careful what we wish for.

(11-27-2022 05:38 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 05:27 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 05:24 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 04:30 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2022 04:22 PM)Big Red Wrote: [ -> ]Well...I'm glad this is settled and happy to have helped.

I know Nevada tried hiring legendary Bishop Gorman's coach to head their program. It ended terribly.

Are you talking about Tony Sanchez? Because he did go from Bishop Gordon (85-5 over 6 seasons) to the HC job at UNLV where he went 20-40 over 5 seasons.

He's currently the WR coach at New Mexico State.

Ah yes. That was it. UNLV, which is a really really hard program to try and turn around. They have a nice stadium tho.

They're old stadium was fine but their new one is....well...otherworldly for a program like UNLV. I wonder what the university is paying to rent that place?

A super quick google search says it might be upwards of $250k per game but there are some qualifications worked into the deal that may adjust that number somewhat.

Wow...

Sam Boyd Stadium is beautiful and has a great view of the mountains. I'm sure it gets hot in the stadium early in the season but no one forces them to play at noon (as far as I know).

I guess they have money to burn. Seems like there are other areas they could utilize that money, but I digress.

I always thought the same thing about Sam Boyd. Honestly I wish Huskie Stadium was as an ice as Sam Boyd was. It's got decent press boxes in the Wells Fargo tower and I think the whole thing has seat backs. Plus wasn't it just redone in 2015?

I get that it was far away from campus. But I don't think the stadium was as big of an issue as how bad that program was. Wish we had the luxury to say, that's that on that.