With a less than stellar performance by DQ today, I think there is a less probability for him to get poached by a P5 program…
Hope the kid is OK and would like to see him again later this season …
As for JC, highly doubtful that anyone hires him away (too many issues) and more than likely B. Blair gives him some sort of extension(hopefully small) if Toledo makes it to Detroit and does not embarrass in a bowl game …
Bouncy keyboard? I pick this one.
One game won't affect Finn's future, as long as he wasn't badly hurt. He'll continue to develop and be a real good player. Coach C will be in this business a long time. Maybe in and out as a head coach but he will coach as long as he chooses to. He's (my opinion) not been representative of what has been given him at the MAC level but there are WAY worse making more at the P5 level. Of course they probably have way more off the field stuff to deal with but still.
(10-22-2022 05:12 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]Bouncy keyboard? I pick this one.
One game won't affect Finn's future, as long as he wasn't badly hurt. He'll continue to develop and be a real good player. Coach C will be in this business a long time. Maybe in and out as a head coach but he will coach as long as he chooses to. He's (my opinion) not been representative of what has been given him at the MAC level but there are WAY worse making more at the P5 level. Of course they probably have way more off the field stuff to deal with but still.
For some reason not able to delete the multiple thread posts !!
Pretty much agree on your assertion of Finn
/Candle status …
I'd like to see more of Gleason as a passer in a game that means something down the stretch.
I haven't heard that Finn actually had a concussion and that he will be out. If he is, then this is Gleason's opportunity to show what he can do as a passer. My concern is that Candle folds and just tries to run the ball. I think we've proven we cannot effectively run the ball when trying to protect a lead while running the clock by picking up first downs on the ground.
This game Saturday is bigger than the Buffalo game. We win the west by beating everyone in the West. A loss to Buffalo and even BG will not determine the West championship for Toledo. BSU concerns me because of their QB. Not too concerned with Western, but then again, we've proven the ability to lose that game when it is for the West division the day after Thanksgiving.
I hope its a concussion. The arm seperation on the throwing shoulder is more worriesome and means he is done for the year almost indefinitely.
(10-24-2022 11:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]I hope its a concussion. The arm seperation on the throwing shoulder is more worriesome and means he is done for the year almost indefinitely.
Never thought I'd see someone hope for a TBI over a separated shoulder but here we are.
(10-24-2022 12:35 PM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 11:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]I hope its a concussion. The arm seperation on the throwing shoulder is more worriesome and means he is done for the year almost indefinitely.
Never thought I'd see someone hope for a TBI over a separated shoulder but here we are.
I hope its neither. As far as getting back on the field... one is the mechanism to play his position. The other is 1 week out and his first concussion of his career.
If its only a concussion, even more reason the final play should have been reviewed at the very least. A shot to a defenseless players head and neck should be looked at every single time.
(10-24-2022 01:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 12:35 PM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 11:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]I hope its a concussion. The arm seperation on the throwing shoulder is more worriesome and means he is done for the year almost indefinitely.
Never thought I'd see someone hope for a TBI over a separated shoulder but here we are.
I hope its neither. As far as getting back on the field... one is the mechanism to play his position. The other is 1 week out and his first concussion of his career.
If its only a concussion, even more reason the final play should have been reviewed at the very least. A shot to a defenseless players head and neck should be looked at every single time.
I'm not sure why people keep saying the refs didn't look at targeting on the last play. The ref announced that after review, there was no targeting, The review happened quickly while everyone was worried about Finn down on the ground.
Didn't look like targeting to me either, and I'm one that tends to want to err on the side of calling those things, because concussions are not just 1 week out. They can affect players entire lives going forward. Some players never play again after a bad concussion. Some are fortunate and they don't have long term effects, but many do. I would never personally wish for a concussion as a preferred injury.
(10-24-2022 02:38 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 01:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 12:35 PM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 11:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]I hope its a concussion. The arm seperation on the throwing shoulder is more worriesome and means he is done for the year almost indefinitely.
Never thought I'd see someone hope for a TBI over a separated shoulder but here we are.
I hope its neither. As far as getting back on the field... one is the mechanism to play his position. The other is 1 week out and his first concussion of his career.
If its only a concussion, even more reason the final play should have been reviewed at the very least. A shot to a defenseless players head and neck should be looked at every single time.
I'm not sure why people keep saying the refs didn't look at targeting on the last play. The ref announced that after review, there was no targeting, The review happened quickly while everyone was worried about Finn down on the ground.
Didn't look like targeting to me either, and I'm one that tends to want to err on the side of calling those things, because concussions are not just 1 week out. They can affect players entire lives going forward. Some players never play again after a bad concussion. Some are fortunate and they don't have long term effects, but many do. I would never personally wish for a concussion as a preferred injury.
I recorded the game and looked at the last play dozens of time. The defensive player lowered his helmet and hit Finn directly helmet to helmet.
(10-24-2022 02:57 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 02:38 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 01:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 12:35 PM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 11:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]I hope its a concussion. The arm seperation on the throwing shoulder is more worriesome and means he is done for the year almost indefinitely.
Never thought I'd see someone hope for a TBI over a separated shoulder but here we are.
I hope its neither. As far as getting back on the field... one is the mechanism to play his position. The other is 1 week out and his first concussion of his career.
If its only a concussion, even more reason the final play should have been reviewed at the very least. A shot to a defenseless players head and neck should be looked at every single time.
I'm not sure why people keep saying the refs didn't look at targeting on the last play. The ref announced that after review, there was no targeting, The review happened quickly while everyone was worried about Finn down on the ground.
Didn't look like targeting to me either, and I'm one that tends to want to err on the side of calling those things, because concussions are not just 1 week out. They can affect players entire lives going forward. Some players never play again after a bad concussion. Some are fortunate and they don't have long term effects, but many do. I would never personally wish for a concussion as a preferred injury.
I recorded the game and looked at the last play dozens of time. The defensive player lowered his helmet and hit Finn directly helmet to helmet.
There was contact to Finn's helmet, but not with the crown of the defender's helmet. Contact was more from the defender's facemask. So, not targeting from the "crown of the helmet" part of the rule.
Could still be targeting, because Finn was defenseless (in the act of passing) if there was a launch (there wasn't) or it was determined that he was leading with his helmet (or forearm, fist, etc.) to attack the head, and that's where the rule gets to be more a judgement call. He did dip his head a little at the last minute, clearly not enough to lead with the crown, and it wasn't clear and obvious (to me) that he was intending to lead with this head. So, by the letter of the rule, probably not, but if they had called it, I could probably see that too.
This is one of those cases if the teams were reversed and they called it targeting, I'm guessing at least some folks might be on here arguing that was a bad call and it shouldn't have been. These are cases where it would be good if the MAC would release a statement clarifying if the call was correct or not.
They have to continue to try to find ways to get the hits to the head out of the game. Banning all contact to the head is probably the only way to do that, but that would change the game, and fans would hate that.
And apparently at today's presser, Candle said Finn's status is TBD for EMU. May be playing coy to give EMU something to think about.
This is the reason you play your backup for several series in early games when you are up by 4 TDs, so they are more familiar with real game action if called upon. Funny, last season Candle was fine with platooning Bradley and Finn, but this year he wouldn't put Gleason in for any money, unless Finn had to go to the medical tent. Can't really figure that one out at all.
(10-24-2022 01:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 12:35 PM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 11:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]I thnk The arm seperation on the throwing shoulder is more worriesome and means he is done for the year almost indefinitely.
Never thought I'd see someone hope for a TBI over a separated shoulder but here we are.
I hope its neither. As far as getting back on the field... one is the mechanism to play his position. The other is 1 week out and his first concussion of his career.
If its only a concussion, even more reason the final play should have been reviewed at the very least. A shot to a defenseless players head and neck should be looked at every single time.
I think those are probably dated words. Certainly clumsy and not indicative of real intent, I'm sure.
It seems the sports world coming to realize concussion is a much worse result than so long assumed and certainly more than a SIMPLE separation. I think the fight against recognizing the reality of concussion is the money involved in removing players from the roster even for a game and it's easy to pass off as a bad headache. That's not the reality. We don't wish for a concussion, even relatively.
(10-24-2022 01:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 12:35 PM)jp102586 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 11:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]I hope its a concussion. The arm seperation on the throwing shoulder is more worriesome and means he is done for the year almost indefinitely.
Never thought I'd see someone hope for a TBI over a separated shoulder but here we are.
I hope its neither. As far as getting back on the field... one is the mechanism to play his position. The other is 1 week out and his first concussion of his career.
If its only a concussion, even more reason the final play should have been reviewed at the very least. A shot to a defenseless players head and neck should be looked at every single time.
We don't know if it is his 1st concussion. Maybe it's the 1st publicly stated concussion. Maybe his 1st officially diagnosed concussion. And just because it might be someone's first concussion, doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
At Downtown Coaches today JC said that Dequan is in the training room all day/every day leads me to think shoulder vs concussion. A concussion takes time more than therapy. Coach was very emphatic that Gleason has taken first team snaps and will be ready if that is the call. Let's hope we haven't put all of our time with the one's and neglected the developed our 2's!
Lets go up to Ypsi and back the Rockets!!!
Gleason will be alright leading the team ( receivers must run correct routes and get open) , but I am worry if the offensive line can protect him in the pocket enough to pass.
(10-24-2022 08:30 PM)Springboromark Wrote: [ -> ]Gleason will be alright leading the team ( receivers must run correct routes and get open) , but I am worry if the offensive line can protect him in the pocket enough to pass.
I have a feeling Finn will be playing. He's not about to let Gleason turn him into a Wally Pipp.
(10-24-2022 08:30 PM)Springboromark Wrote: [ -> ]Gleason will be alright leading the team ( receivers must run correct routes and get open) , but I am worry if the offensive line can protect him in the pocket enough to pass.
Gleason was horrible when he played significant minutes against SDSU. We're really missing Isaiah Winstead & Matt Landers at the WR position this year as I can't find one game-changing WR on the current roster. We already know the offensive line can't protect him enough in the pocket. He's going to have to extend plays with his own skillset. I'm not that confident.
(10-24-2022 11:10 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 08:30 PM)Springboromark Wrote: [ -> ]Gleason will be alright leading the team ( receivers must run correct routes and get open) , but I am worry if the offensive line can protect him in the pocket enough to pass.
Gleason was horrible when he played significant minutes against SDSU. We're really missing Isaiah Winstead & Matt Landers at the WR position this year as I can't find one game-changing WR on the current roster. We already know the offensive line can't protect him enough in the pocket. He's going to have to extend plays with his own skillset. I'm not that confident.
Gleason did have 1100 yards rushing as a HS Junior and 710 yards rushing as a Senior. Hopefully much of that was due to speed rather than just bulk. I think he'll need good quicks to be successful as a Rocket QB this season.
(10-25-2022 12:15 AM)UTfanBGalum Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 11:10 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022 08:30 PM)Springboromark Wrote: [ -> ]Gleason will be alright leading the team ( receivers must run correct routes and get open) , but I am worry if the offensive line can protect him in the pocket enough to pass.
Gleason was horrible when he played significant minutes against SDSU. We're really missing Isaiah Winstead & Matt Landers at the WR position this year as I can't find one game-changing WR on the current roster. We already know the offensive line can't protect him enough in the pocket. He's going to have to extend plays with his own skillset. I'm not that confident.
Gleason did have 1100 yards rushing as a HS Junior and 710 yards rushing as a Senior. Hopefully much of that was due to speed rather than just bulk. I think he'll need good quicks to be successful as a Rocket QB this season.
Lamar Jackson would get crushed behind our OL.
(10-24-2022 04:18 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]And apparently at today's presser, Candle said Finn's status is TBD for EMU. May be playing coy to give EMU something to think about.
This is the reason you play your backup for several series in early games when you are up by 4 TDs, so they are more familiar with real game action if called upon. Funny, last season Candle was fine with platooning Bradley and Finn, but this year he wouldn't put Gleason in for any money, unless Finn had to go to the medical tent. Can't really figure that one out at all.
Maybe because Gleason is know where near as good as Finn? I think it was obvious last year Toledo had two talented kids and Candle wanted to see who would separate themselves on the field. I don’t think this year there was or is any question who was the number 1 QB.