(10-11-2022 12:18 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Although WKU chose to leave rather than be forced into full membership, in some people's view, it was in essence being kicked out. The OVC invited WKU in as football only but after one season they then said that in order to remain, you must bring the rest of your sports. WKU was a football only member in 1999 and 2000 and left for the Gateway Conference.
I certainly know the history, and I understand how some people feel about it. But if we're trying to compare a school being, at least in effect, being blackballed from an entire subdivision to an incident in which another left a conference (for the second time) after being offered full membership, well...that really doesn't strike me as apples to apples.
I wasn't and never did compare the two separate topics. I was merely pointing out that with WKU and the OVC it wasn't as if we'd been affiliate members in football for many uears. It was just one year and then all of a sudden they changed the rules on us. It has the smell of backstabbing to it. I'm not saying EKU was behind it at all. Just providing the historic details for those following the discussion.
(10-11-2022 12:41 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2022 12:18 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Although WKU chose to leave rather than be forced into full membership, in some people's view, it was in essence being kicked out. The OVC invited WKU in as football only but after one season they then said that in order to remain, you must bring the rest of your sports. WKU was a football only member in 1999 and 2000 and left for the Gateway Conference.
I certainly know the history, and I understand how some people feel about it. But if we're trying to compare a school being, at least in effect, being blackballed from an entire subdivision to an incident in which another left a conference (for the second time) after being offered full membership, well...that really doesn't strike me as apples to apples.
I wasn't and never did compare the two separate topics. I was merely pointing out that with WKU and the OVC it wasn't as if we'd been affiliate members in football for many uears. It was just one year and then all of a sudden they changed the rules on us. It has the smell of backstabbing to it. I'm not saying EKU was behind it at all. Just providing the historic details for those following the discussion.
I get it, and I at least didn't mean to imply that you specifically were. Rather, I strongly suspect that at least some in the WKU camp would, and I'm just adding my reasoning for believing it isn't a fair comparison for those who might be inclined to make it.
I'll also reiterate, I do wish the OVC had acted differently there regardless of whether EKU was or was not the ringleader (and I genuinely don't know one way or the other if we were).
(10-11-2022 12:18 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Although WKU chose to leave rather than be forced into full membership, in some people's view, it was in essence being kicked out. The OVC invited WKU in as football only but after one season they then said that in order to remain, you must bring the rest of your sports. WKU was a football only member in 1999 and 2000 and left for the Gateway Conference.
I certainly know the history, and I understand how some people feel about it. But if we're trying to compare a school being, at least in effect, being blackballed from an entire subdivision to an incident in which another left a conference (for the second time) after being offered full membership, well...that really doesn't strike me as apples to apples.
The history is this, many WKU people thought Coach Kidd was the cause and blamed him!
He scheduled Western when they were struggling to find games. Yet some WKU fans blamed him, it’s easy to hate an arch rival, which we were at the time.
As far as now, it has been said for many years by WKU fans, “we have moved on”, and that’s a quote that was thrown around a lot. They usually combined this statement with not wanting to play EKU. Message board bluster? Maybe. But it was discussed (even on here) ad nauseam!
I don’t know if there’s anything to all this, but I will say again it’s petty and short sighted that you would pursue an inferior add just for spite and not wanting the competition (and be honest that’s what it is). Does nothing for your university image and even less for CUSA.
(10-11-2022 12:53 PM)LexColonel Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2022 12:18 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Although WKU chose to leave rather than be forced into full membership, in some people's view, it was in essence being kicked out. The OVC invited WKU in as football only but after one season they then said that in order to remain, you must bring the rest of your sports. WKU was a football only member in 1999 and 2000 and left for the Gateway Conference.
I certainly know the history, and I understand how some people feel about it. But if we're trying to compare a school being, at least in effect, being blackballed from an entire subdivision to an incident in which another left a conference (for the second time) after being offered full membership, well...that really doesn't strike me as apples to apples.
The history is this, many WKU people thought Coach Kidd was the cause and blamed him!
He scheduled Western when they were struggling to find games. Yet some WKU fans blamed him, it’s easy to hate an arch rival, which we were at the time.
As far as now, it has been said for many years by WKU fans, “we have moved on”, and that’s a quote that was thrown around a lot. They usually combined this statement with not wanting to play EKU. Message board bluster? Maybe. But it was discussed (even on here) ad nauseam!
I don’t know if there’s anything to all this, but I will say again it’s petty and short sighted that you would pursue an inferior add just for spite and not wanting the competition (and be honest that’s what it is). Does nothing for your university image and even less for CUSA.
I assume you're gonna blame WKU for the SBC turning you down twice even tho WKU isn't in the SBC.
I don't believe any WKU fan is in denial that the WKU admins may not prefer EKU over other options. We may disagree on how much that really is occurring or how much impact that has on our choices for CUSA membership but in the end, WKU is one vote out of five. I'm curious how much the EKU administration are working the leadership at MTSU, LaTech, FIU, and UTEP? There's four votes to garner. Go get them. If that doesn't work to get you the votes needed, work on SHSU, JaxSt, Liberty and NMSU because as of next July 1st, they get votes too.
(10-11-2022 07:24 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ]Hard to understand the reasoning.
Wished TUNA would get an invite. JSU has no problem competing with anyone. KSU is in our backdoor and if the league is expanding I welcome the Owls.
JSU to KSU is slightly more than half the distance between WKU and EKU, but crossing the state lines does make a difference to some with a certain mindset.
Quote:I don't believe any WKU fan is in denial that the WKU admins may not prefer EKU over other options. We may disagree on how much that really is occurring or how much impact that has on our choices for CUSA membership but in the end, WKU is one vote out of five. I'm curious how much the EKU administration are working the leadership at MTSU, LaTech, FIU, and UTEP? There's four votes to garner. Go get them. If that doesn't work to get you the votes needed, work on SHSU, JaxSt, Liberty and NMSU because as of next July 1st, they get votes too.
These conversations are definitely being had, and my understanding is that Liberty, MTSU, and probably Jax State have a relatively pro-EKU stance. But this is the nature of intraconference politics. As long as a school isn't absolutely the only viable option, members tend to honor other members' wishes to keep them out. It happened to WKU when Louisville did the same in the Metro Conference.
As I said before, it least probably doesn't hurt that all of those other schools know WKU had one foot out the door. I'm sure those who assume they're in C-USA for the long-haul would prefer to appease WKU into possibly aborting pursuit of the MAC if at all possible.
(10-11-2022 01:04 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2022 12:53 PM)LexColonel Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2022 12:18 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Although WKU chose to leave rather than be forced into full membership, in some people's view, it was in essence being kicked out. The OVC invited WKU in as football only but after one season they then said that in order to remain, you must bring the rest of your sports. WKU was a football only member in 1999 and 2000 and left for the Gateway Conference.
I certainly know the history, and I understand how some people feel about it. But if we're trying to compare a school being, at least in effect, being blackballed from an entire subdivision to an incident in which another left a conference (for the second time) after being offered full membership, well...that really doesn't strike me as apples to apples.
The history is this, many WKU people thought Coach Kidd was the cause and blamed him!
He scheduled Western when they were struggling to find games. Yet some WKU fans blamed him, it’s easy to hate an arch rival, which we were at the time.
As far as now, it has been said for many years by WKU fans, “we have moved on”, and that’s a quote that was thrown around a lot. They usually combined this statement with not wanting to play EKU. Message board bluster? Maybe. But it was discussed (even on here) ad nauseam!
I don’t know if there’s anything to all this, but I will say again it’s petty and short sighted that you would pursue an inferior add just for spite and not wanting the competition (and be honest that’s what it is). Does nothing for your university image and even less for CUSA.
I assume you're gonna blame WKU for the SBC turning you down twice even tho WKU isn't in the SBC.
I don't believe any WKU fan is in denial that the WKU admins may not prefer EKU over other options. We may disagree on how much that really is occurring or how much impact that has on our choices for CUSA membership but in the end, WKU is one vote out of five. I'm curious how much the EKU administration are working the leadership at MTSU, LaTech, FIU, and UTEP? There's four votes to garner. Go get them. If that doesn't work to get you the votes needed, work on SHSU, JaxSt, Liberty and NMSU because as of next July 1st, they get votes too.
THIS. WKU may not "want" EKU from the same state-- in the same conference. But what we WANT does not mean we control the situation. It is a vote-- WKU is not "KING" of C-USA. For some reason some Colonel fans expect WKU to give you what you want because it is your best interest.
See Michigan-- EMU, WMU, CMU. It is problematic at best. It would take me 30 min. to explain why this is a bad idea (overall) for BOTH schools.
Missouri St. and Chattanooga are NOT interested.
CUSA needs to stay at nine until and unless a media partner shows us some real money. If they do make it worth our while; this is how I rank our possible candidates: {1} Missouri State needs to get interested if they want to go FBS cause I don't see them getting an invite from the SB or MWC anytime soon. (2) UTC would be a great add but they aren't gonna increase their budget to go FBS. (3) EKU would be decent add if they make the financial commitment. Not interested in any of the remaining Texas schools except (4) UCONN but only if they bring both Men's and Women's Basketball programs.
Like some of you, I expect the Colonels to get an invitation if CUSA expands to 12 but probably won't get one if we go to only 10 members.
CUSA doesnt need Missouri State. Better opportunities long term.
Some interesting comments here. I was pretty surprised at the mention by Matt Brown today but not shocked. I've heard this ever since Liberty and Jax State were announced to be going to CUSA last year at this time. We were laughed at like uneducated schoolchildren on the ASUN forums when it would be mentioned. Hahaha. It's cute to think back on now.
So, how many more ASUN to CUSA schools would it take to tip the vote back in favor of EKU?
Who are the voting members of CUSA at this point? Can y'all clarify that for us?
(10-11-2022 07:19 PM)unalions Wrote: [ -> ]Some interesting comments here. I was pretty surprised at the mention by Matt Brown today but not shocked. I've heard this ever since Liberty and Jax State were announced to be going to CUSA last year at this time. We were laughed at like uneducated schoolchildren on the ASUN forums when it would be mentioned. Hahaha. It's cute to think back on now.
So, how many more ASUN to CUSA schools would it take to tip the vote back in favor of EKU?
Who are the voting members of CUSA at this point? Can y'all clarify that for us?
It's been mentioned in several places but I realize not everyone reads every post. Lol
There are 5 members who can vote on extending an invite right now (WKU, UTEP, MTSU, LaTech, and FIU). After July 1st of 2023 Liberty, JaxSt, SHSU and NMSU will have a vote because they become members then.
(10-11-2022 07:23 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2022 07:19 PM)unalions Wrote: [ -> ]Some interesting comments here. I was pretty surprised at the mention by Matt Brown today but not shocked. I've heard this ever since Liberty and Jax State were announced to be going to CUSA last year at this time. We were laughed at like uneducated schoolchildren on the ASUN forums when it would be mentioned. Hahaha. It's cute to think back on now.
So, how many more ASUN to CUSA schools would it take to tip the vote back in favor of EKU?
Who are the voting members of CUSA at this point? Can y'all clarify that for us?
It's been mentioned in several places but I realize not everyone reads every post. Lol
There are 5 members who can vote on extending an invite right now (WKU, UTEP, MTSU, LaTech, and FIU). After July 1st of 2023 Liberty, JaxSt, SHSU and NMSU will have a vote because they become members then.
Thank you. Yes, it's a lot of posts to take in for the latecomers. lol
(10-11-2022 06:46 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote: [ -> ]CUSA needs to stay at nine until and unless a media partner shows us some real money. If they do make it worth our while; this is how I rank our possible candidates: {1} Missouri State needs to get interested if they want to go FBS cause I don't see them getting an invite from the SB or MWC anytime soon. (2) UTC would be a great add but they aren't gonna increase their budget to go FBS. (3) EKU would be decent add if they make the financial commitment. Not interested in any of the remaining Texas schools except (4) UCONN but only if they bring both Men's and Women's Basketball programs.
Like some of you, I expect the Colonels to get an invitation if CUSA expands to 12 but probably won't get one if we go to only 10 members.
As for UConn they are not even interested in a football only membership let alone bringing basketball. They aren't leaving the Big East unless they get a P5 invite.
I believe the vote is 80% approval for new members-- pretty sure that is correct (It might be 75%). Either 7 or 8 would have to vote in the affirmative. IMO it would take eight "yes" votes once the league has nine members.
(10-11-2022 06:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]Missouri St. and Chattanooga are NOT interested.
For now. I think we stick to 10 teams and wait a year or two. Things change quickly among FCS. Teams like Delaware, Chattanooga, ETSU, Missouri State, Tarleton State, may not be great options now. But circumstances in each league or at each college change all the time. Wait until someone stands out.
Quote:(3) EKU would be decent add if they make the financial commitment.
If you don't think that's happening, you aren't paying attention (which is understandable. I don't expect other people to follow us, but we are all in on this move.
(10-11-2022 07:19 PM)unalions Wrote: [ -> ]Some interesting comments here. I was pretty surprised at the mention by Matt Brown today but not shocked. I've heard this ever since Liberty and Jax State were announced to be going to CUSA last year at this time. We were laughed at like uneducated schoolchildren on the ASUN forums when it would be mentioned. Hahaha. It's cute to think back on now.
In the interest of accuracy, this is the post that elicited such reaction across a handful of sub-forums on CSNbbs among moderators and members alike:
unalions Wrote:Just to trigger you all further, lol, I’m still being told that all ASUN football schools were invited to CUSA a few months back and all by Liberty and JSU declined “at this time”.
Also, the unconfirmed rumor of all those presidents and ADs being in Florence is that ASUN football schools are putting together a petition to elevate ASUN football to FBS and that Ted thinks it will happen.
You were claiming inside knowledge that ASUN schools turned down C-USA and were planning instead to remain in the ASUN and elevate the ASUN to FBS itself (which isn't even possible per NCAA by-laws).
There are absolutely zero reports of anything that corroborates any of this.