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This isn't much to go on, but I saw somewhere on Twitter that there are some rumors going around KSU that are picking up traction that they will be invited to CUSA soon. Have y'all heard anything about this? Not rumors but traction has picked up about talk of SFA being a good add as well. Only issue with bringing up more FCS teams (besides what's already been mentioned) is the issue of transition years, us (SHSU) and Jax St are already half way through a transition, what would that mean if there are more FCS call-ups?



Edit for Twitter link:
https://twitter.com/KSUOwlHowl/status/15...Ik3vQ&s=19
(10-05-2022 10:22 AM)jbuck1999 Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't much to go on, but I saw somewhere on Twitter that there are some rumors going around KSU that are picking up traction that they will be invited to CUSA soon. Have y'all heard anything about this? Not rumors but traction has picked up about talk of SFA being a good add as well. Only issue with bringing up more FCS teams (besides what's already been mentioned) is the issue of transition years, us (SHSU) and Jax St are already half way through a transition, what would that mean if there are more FCS call-ups?

Link the Twitter account so we can all read it ?
(10-05-2022 10:22 AM)jbuck1999 Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't much to go on, but I saw somewhere on Twitter that there are some rumors going around KSU that are picking up traction that they will be invited to CUSA soon. Have y'all heard anything about this? Not rumors but traction has picked up about talk of SFA being a good add as well. Only issue with bringing up more FCS teams (besides what's already been mentioned) is the issue of transition years, us (SHSU) and Jax St are already half way through a transition, what would that mean if there are more FCS call-ups?

Per the bolded, one of two options would occur. Either they transition for two years and wait to join afterwards or they get the option to do what James Madison is doing in the SBC. They are playing in the SBC this year during their transition but aren't eligible for the SBC championship and maybe not Bowl eligible but I'm not sure on that one.

As to whether I've heard anything...nope, but then I wouldn't. I'm just a fan with no connections. Of course, plenty of folks on these boards make stuff all the time and act like they are "in the know". Haha
I think this is being instigate by the scuttlebutt that the NCAA in its new constitution is going to make it MUCH more difficult to transition to Division I and to the FBS.
(10-05-2022 10:53 AM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is being instigate by the scuttlebutt that the NCAA in its new constitution is going to make it MUCH more difficult to transition to Division I and to the FBS.

If this is the case, then it would make sense for CUSA to go ahead and move on expansion, rather than to wait as many of us here have recommended.

Sure, it'll be a painful few years waiting for 2-3 additional teams to transition, and it would reduce each school's share of conference revenue, but in the end, it would secure our membership at a sustainable level (12 teams?) before any constitutional changes make expansion much more difficult.

FYI, the rumors I saw tied the expansion to a potential new media partner, who wants two divisions of (at least) 6 teams.

To be clear, I'm sharing this as rumor, not as verified fact. My personal knowledge of the situation is approximately equal to zero.
Another rumor to add to the list but more about the media deal possibilities.
The poster from the realignment board that I copied below is from the Atlanta area and suggests that Turner Broadcasting may have interest in CUSA. Kennesaw St is, of course, in the Atlanta area and so it's reasonable to assume if there are rumors that KSU will be added that Turner could be involved.

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I'm in the Atlanta area and have a couple of friends that work for Turner. They have mentioned persistent rumors that Turner Sports wants to get involved with college sports, and might prefer to "grow" a conference over bidding crazy money for one of the larger conferences. They might present an opportunity for CUSA..
(10-05-2022 10:36 AM)theultimateaggie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 10:22 AM)jbuck1999 Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't much to go on, but I saw somewhere on Twitter that there are some rumors going around KSU that are picking up traction that they will be invited to CUSA soon. Have y'all heard anything about this? Not rumors but traction has picked up about talk of SFA being a good add as well. Only issue with bringing up more FCS teams (besides what's already been mentioned) is the issue of transition years, us (SHSU) and Jax St are already half way through a transition, what would that mean if there are more FCS call-ups?

Link the Twitter account so we can all read it ?

I'll have to go digging for it and link when I find it, that's really all the tweet was a KSU fan talking about a pick up in rumors over there.


Edit: https://twitter.com/KSUOwlHowl/status/15...Ik3vQ&s=19
(10-05-2022 11:05 AM)whupemall Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 10:53 AM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is being instigate by the scuttlebutt that the NCAA in its new constitution is going to make it MUCH more difficult to transition to Division I and to the FBS.

If this is the case, then it would make sense for CUSA to go ahead and move on expansion, rather than to wait as many of us here have recommended.

Sure, it'll be a painful few years waiting for 2-3 additional teams to transition, and it would reduce each school's share of conference revenue, but in the end, it would secure our membership at a sustainable level (12 teams?) before any constitutional changes make expansion much more difficult.

FYI, the rumors I saw tied the expansion to a potential new media partner, who wants two divisions of (at least) 6 teams.

To be clear, I'm sharing this as rumor, not as verified fact. My personal knowledge of the situation is approximately equal to zero.

If they want two divisions of 6 teams, I'd expect Kennesaw State, Tarleton State, and perhaps Stephen F. Austin. To get from 9 to 12.
(10-05-2022 12:19 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 11:05 AM)whupemall Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 10:53 AM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is being instigate by the scuttlebutt that the NCAA in its new constitution is going to make it MUCH more difficult to transition to Division I and to the FBS.

If this is the case, then it would make sense for CUSA to go ahead and move on expansion, rather than to wait as many of us here have recommended.

Sure, it'll be a painful few years waiting for 2-3 additional teams to transition, and it would reduce each school's share of conference revenue, but in the end, it would secure our membership at a sustainable level (12 teams?) before any constitutional changes make expansion much more difficult.

FYI, the rumors I saw tied the expansion to a potential new media partner, who wants two divisions of (at least) 6 teams.

To be clear, I'm sharing this as rumor, not as verified fact. My personal knowledge of the situation is approximately equal to zero.

If they want two divisions of 6 teams, I'd expect Kennesaw State, Tarleton State, and perhaps Stephen F. Austin. To get from 9 to 12.

Altho I'd like to stay at 9 for now, adding SF and Tarleton does make for the best case scenario for a Western Division of NMSU, UTEP, LaTech, SHSH, Tarleton, and SF. The East would be WKU, MTSU, JaxSt, KSU, Liberty and FIU. It does clean up the geography a bit.
(10-05-2022 12:29 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 12:19 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 11:05 AM)whupemall Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 10:53 AM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is being instigate by the scuttlebutt that the NCAA in its new constitution is going to make it MUCH more difficult to transition to Division I and to the FBS.

If this is the case, then it would make sense for CUSA to go ahead and move on expansion, rather than to wait as many of us here have recommended.

Sure, it'll be a painful few years waiting for 2-3 additional teams to transition, and it would reduce each school's share of conference revenue, but in the end, it would secure our membership at a sustainable level (12 teams?) before any constitutional changes make expansion much more difficult.

FYI, the rumors I saw tied the expansion to a potential new media partner, who wants two divisions of (at least) 6 teams.

To be clear, I'm sharing this as rumor, not as verified fact. My personal knowledge of the situation is approximately equal to zero.

If they want two divisions of 6 teams, I'd expect Kennesaw State, Tarleton State, and perhaps Stephen F. Austin. To get from 9 to 12.

Altho I'd like to stay at 9 for now, adding SF and Tarleton does make for the best case scenario for a Western Division of NMSU, UTEP, LaTech, SHSH, Tarleton, and SF. The East would be WKU, MTSU, JaxSt, KSU, Liberty and FIU. It does clean up the geography a bit.

Divisions like that would allow schools to cut travel costs, especially if non-revenue sports play division only events until conference championships.
(10-05-2022 02:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 12:29 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 12:19 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 11:05 AM)whupemall Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 10:53 AM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is being instigate by the scuttlebutt that the NCAA in its new constitution is going to make it MUCH more difficult to transition to Division I and to the FBS.

If this is the case, then it would make sense for CUSA to go ahead and move on expansion, rather than to wait as many of us here have recommended.

Sure, it'll be a painful few years waiting for 2-3 additional teams to transition, and it would reduce each school's share of conference revenue, but in the end, it would secure our membership at a sustainable level (12 teams?) before any constitutional changes make expansion much more difficult.

FYI, the rumors I saw tied the expansion to a potential new media partner, who wants two divisions of (at least) 6 teams.

To be clear, I'm sharing this as rumor, not as verified fact. My personal knowledge of the situation is approximately equal to zero.

If they want two divisions of 6 teams, I'd expect Kennesaw State, Tarleton State, and perhaps Stephen F. Austin. To get from 9 to 12.

Altho I'd like to stay at 9 for now, adding SF and Tarleton does make for the best case scenario for a Western Division of NMSU, UTEP, LaTech, SHSH, Tarleton, and SF. The East would be WKU, MTSU, JaxSt, KSU, Liberty and FIU. It does clean up the geography a bit.

Divisions like that would allow schools to cut travel costs, especially if non-revenue sports play division only events until conference championships.

Gotta run the math on everything else too though - makes the conference weaker overall, reduces the value of basketball tournament units, less money to split from the CFP per school.

12 is a lot better than 10 (because of divisions) but that's not a great set of 12.
(10-05-2022 02:48 PM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 02:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 12:29 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 12:19 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 11:05 AM)whupemall Wrote: [ -> ]If this is the case, then it would make sense for CUSA to go ahead and move on expansion, rather than to wait as many of us here have recommended.

Sure, it'll be a painful few years waiting for 2-3 additional teams to transition, and it would reduce each school's share of conference revenue, but in the end, it would secure our membership at a sustainable level (12 teams?) before any constitutional changes make expansion much more difficult.

FYI, the rumors I saw tied the expansion to a potential new media partner, who wants two divisions of (at least) 6 teams.

To be clear, I'm sharing this as rumor, not as verified fact. My personal knowledge of the situation is approximately equal to zero.

If they want two divisions of 6 teams, I'd expect Kennesaw State, Tarleton State, and perhaps Stephen F. Austin. To get from 9 to 12.

Altho I'd like to stay at 9 for now, adding SF and Tarleton does make for the best case scenario for a Western Division of NMSU, UTEP, LaTech, SHSH, Tarleton, and SF. The East would be WKU, MTSU, JaxSt, KSU, Liberty and FIU. It does clean up the geography a bit.

Divisions like that would allow schools to cut travel costs, especially if non-revenue sports play division only events until conference championships.

Gotta run the math on everything else too though - makes the conference weaker overall, reduces the value of basketball tournament units, less money to split from the CFP per school.

12 is a lot better than 10 (because of divisions) but that's not a great set of 12.

inutech is RIGHT! Let us (C-USA Nine) hope these rumors are false or at the very least can be pushed back 2-3 years.

FIVE fcs call-ups at once (or even within one year of each other) would doom C-USA to years of struggle. Not to mention-- some of these teams are just NOT ready IMHO. Again--- IMHO.
(10-05-2022 02:48 PM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 02:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 12:29 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 12:19 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 11:05 AM)whupemall Wrote: [ -> ]If this is the case, then it would make sense for CUSA to go ahead and move on expansion, rather than to wait as many of us here have recommended.

Sure, it'll be a painful few years waiting for 2-3 additional teams to transition, and it would reduce each school's share of conference revenue, but in the end, it would secure our membership at a sustainable level (12 teams?) before any constitutional changes make expansion much more difficult.

FYI, the rumors I saw tied the expansion to a potential new media partner, who wants two divisions of (at least) 6 teams.

To be clear, I'm sharing this as rumor, not as verified fact. My personal knowledge of the situation is approximately equal to zero.

If they want two divisions of 6 teams, I'd expect Kennesaw State, Tarleton State, and perhaps Stephen F. Austin. To get from 9 to 12.

Altho I'd like to stay at 9 for now, adding SF and Tarleton does make for the best case scenario for a Western Division of NMSU, UTEP, LaTech, SHSH, Tarleton, and SF. The East would be WKU, MTSU, JaxSt, KSU, Liberty and FIU. It does clean up the geography a bit.

Divisions like that would allow schools to cut travel costs, especially if non-revenue sports play division only events until conference championships.

Gotta run the math on everything else too though - makes the conference weaker overall, reduces the value of basketball tournament units, less money to split from the CFP per school.

12 is a lot better than 10 (because of divisions) but that's not a great set of 12.

Stephen F. Austin would actually help in basketball. They are better than half of the new CUSA teams. Tarleton and Kennesaw have a ways to go, but I think there is certainly potential, and they will be better than many Sun Belt teams.
(10-05-2022 05:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]inutech is RIGHT!

Even blind squirrels find a nut every now and again.
I don't think they will add more FCS in the West, I think they add KSU for the East, and pull from MWC for the East, I've seen a lot about PAC possibly disintegrating or pulling from MWC when B1G raids again. I also agree that there are too many FCS call ups with that model, I like just sticking with the 2 or 3 we have and if we HAVE to add more FCS it would be KSU and then SFA.
(10-05-2022 07:05 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 02:48 PM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 02:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 12:29 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 12:19 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]If they want two divisions of 6 teams, I'd expect Kennesaw State, Tarleton State, and perhaps Stephen F. Austin. To get from 9 to 12.

Altho I'd like to stay at 9 for now, adding SF and Tarleton does make for the best case scenario for a Western Division of NMSU, UTEP, LaTech, SHSH, Tarleton, and SF. The East would be WKU, MTSU, JaxSt, KSU, Liberty and FIU. It does clean up the geography a bit.

Divisions like that would allow schools to cut travel costs, especially if non-revenue sports play division only events until conference championships.

Gotta run the math on everything else too though - makes the conference weaker overall, reduces the value of basketball tournament units, less money to split from the CFP per school.

12 is a lot better than 10 (because of divisions) but that's not a great set of 12.

Stephen F. Austin would actually help in basketball. They are better than half of the new CUSA teams. Tarleton and Kennesaw have a ways to go, but I think there is certainly potential, and they will be better than many Sun Belt teams.

Technically this is incorrect. FIVE of the new C-USA teams were higher in the NET than SFA. WKU, Liberty, LA Tech, MT, and NMSU. And JSU was not far behind SFA with SHSU and UTEP in close striking distance. The ONLY basement dweller was FIU.
As Sam Houston fans, we need to get over this Stephen F Austin situation.

They have internal issues related to their leadership; believe the last President was canned over his financial troubles and lack of faith from the staff. They have an interim President and as we saw at the BOTPW, they are being pursued by university systems that have interest in them at this time due to their desire (?) at present to leave independent status.

SFA is caught in a bad timing situation. I have a hard time seeing their institution able to make decision(s) of this magnitude with a leadership vacuum as most of the problems that they have found themselves in historically have come from poor leadership while our institution in Huntsville has gone the other way.
(10-06-2022 08:10 AM)TexasTerror Wrote: [ -> ]As Sam Houston fans, we need to get over this Stephen F Austin situation.

They have internal issues related to their leadership; believe the last President was canned over his financial troubles and lack of faith from the staff. They have an interim President and as we saw at the BOTPW, they are being pursued by university systems that have interest in them at this time due to their desire (?) at present to leave independent status.

SFA is caught in a bad timing situation. I have a hard time seeing their institution able to make decision(s) of this magnitude with a leadership vacuum as most of the problems that they have found themselves in historically have come from poor leadership while our institution in Huntsville has gone the other way.

I personally don't want SFA to move up with us, I'm ready to leave them in the dust behind us so we can rule East Texas as FBS. Too many issues over in Nac I'm ready to be done with them. On to new and better teams means leaving SFA behind too.
(10-05-2022 09:57 PM)jbuck1999 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they will add more FCS in the West, I think they add KSU for the East, and pull from MWC for the East, I've seen a lot about PAC possibly disintegrating or pulling from MWC when B1G raids again. I also agree that there are too many FCS call ups with that model, I like just sticking with the 2 or 3 we have and if we HAVE to add more FCS it would be KSU and then SFA.

Actually, the opposite is the most likely COA, where the MWC could add UTEP and NMSU from C-USA to backfill potential losses to the Pac-12, namely SDSU and possibly UNLV.
(10-06-2022 09:51 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-05-2022 09:57 PM)jbuck1999 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they will add more FCS in the West, I think they add KSU for the East, and pull from MWC for the East, I've seen a lot about PAC possibly disintegrating or pulling from MWC when B1G raids again. I also agree that there are too many FCS call ups with that model, I like just sticking with the 2 or 3 we have and if we HAVE to add more FCS it would be KSU and then SFA.

Actually, the opposite is the most likely COA, where the MWC could add UTEP and NMSU from C-USA to backfill potential losses to the Pac-12, namely SDSU and possibly UNLV.

Agree with this^^^

Regardless what happens out west (PAC/MWC) CUSA will not be taking any MWC schools, they'll be taking CUSA and or possibly AAC schools. There's no scenario where CUSA takes from another G5 conference unless there's a total epic seismic reshuffling. The pecking order is in place and we are at the bottom. That doesn't mean we don't have potential to recover, but perception, money, etc places us as the new SBC for the time being.
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