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Candle will get hired away or get fired. 6-2 would be about as Toledo as we could do and miss out on Detroit. 8-0 is possible! Is there anyone out there who thinks will win 6 games still? 3-4 from here on out?

I think a major move up as HC has already been taken off the table with performace this year. Winning out the MAC isn't going to impress a P5. He's not shown up when an under-dog. He's been slow to adapt his staff. What AD would risk a couple million in salary on that, not to mention their own job?

As far as the rest of the MAC games, it's mostly about injuries and penalties and knocking one step off the punter's approach. Otherwise I think we're as solid as anyone else in the league.

(10-03-2022 07:37 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]I think a major move up as HC has already been taken off the table with performace this year. Winning out the MAC isn't going to impress a P5. He's not shown up when an under-dog. He's been slow to adapt his staff. What AD would risk a couple million in salary on that, not to mention their own job?

As far as the rest of the MAC games, it's mostly about injuries and penalties and knocking one step off the punter's approach. Otherwise I think we're as solid as anyone else in the league.

If leipold or Campbell leave Kansas or ISU, IM sure Candle would get a look with 2 MACCs. But im talking about Wisky and Nebraska coordinator jobs.

Here is the bigger issue not discussed. Let's say we win the MAC in a pretty down year. Great we hang a banner, all fans want this. Or let's say we make it to Detroit and lose. What do we do?

I believe Candle has one more year on his current deal. Do we extend him for more of the same if we win, or do you cut loose a coach who just got you a championship game, win or lose?

I guess he could leverage a conf championship into a lower tier P5 conf. HC job? If we lose in Detroit, can you fire a coach who just got you to the big game and do you give him an extension?

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(10-03-2022 10:26 AM)emanoh Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the bigger issue not discussed. Let's say we win the MAC in a pretty down year. Great we hang a banner, all fans want this. Or let's say we make it to Detroit and lose. What do we do?

I believe Candle has one more year on his current deal. Do we extend him for more of the same if we win, or do you cut loose a coach who just got you a championship game, win or lose?

I guess he could leverage a conf championship into a lower tier P5 conf. HC job? If we lose in Detroit, can you fire a coach who just got you to the big game and do you give him an extension?

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My opinion for mbb and fb, is you get 3 or 4 years on the first deal (MOBs way should be finished forever). As long as the program looks good you extend em 1 season after the final year of the contract. If you win the MAC after the original contract, you sign em for 2 extra seasons. Coach K should be in a show me year every single year from here out. Only one year extensions if the team keeps winning 25 games. 2 years if he goes dancing WITH a big buyout so we can retain him/ use cash to find a new coach if he gets plucked away.

Candle is in his final year of show me. If he wins 8 games in year 1 of the AD... he isnt getting fired. Especially because it will be his best season since 2017. So he should get next season to prove it. Obvioisly, Blair said other things factor in. If we play stupid and lose games because of coaching errors and we dont dominate anyone... he could be fired, but I wouldnt hold my breath. If Candle makes Detroit. No extension, next year matters. If we win Detroit, he gets 23, and 24.

NO MORE 3+ SEASON EXTENSIONS.

WBB to me is different. You cant fire a coach with top25 attendance nationally getting Duke, Dayton, and Cincy in the building. Also longish post season runs. MBB cant even win a game. This connects with Candle too... win a damn bowl game. Can we also get an opponent our guys get up for!?!? No more no name CUSA or SBC teams. I dont want Georgia Southern or South Alabama. I want ULL or Marshall or Purdue.

(10-03-2022 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 10:26 AM)emanoh Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the bigger issue not discussed. Let's say we win the MAC in a pretty down year. Great we hang a banner, all fans want this. Or let's say we make it to Detroit and lose. What do we do?

I believe Candle has one more year on his current deal. Do we extend him for more of the same if we win, or do you cut loose a coach who just got you a championship game, win or lose?

I guess he could leverage a conf championship into a lower tier P5 conf. HC job? If we lose in Detroit, can you fire a coach who just got you to the big game and do you give him an extension?

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Can we also get an opponent our guys get up for!?!? No more no name CUSA or SBC teams. I dont want Georgia Southern or South Alabama. I want ULL or Marshall or Purdue.

Sunbelt is ahead of MAC. Any of those teams are fair game for a home and home. Same the Academies. At least one iconic P5 per every scholarship cycle. Players should get to experience this. Someone at Kent St maybe went a bit over-board but still, good on them. Unless it's an HBCU, I'd like to see them lay off the FCS. They're not even scheduling competitive ones. 2023 OOC is unforgivable. I wouldn't give Coach Candle more than a year even with a MACC. Do it two years in a row and competitive in every OOC, if he's still here then give him the normal contract. Past is not easily forgotten. MAC is not that hard. Minus the post Campbell years, he's barely above .500.

As I understand it, UT employs TWO Candles? A school looking to hire him or her will have to provide two places, not one. Correct?

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(10-03-2022 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 10:26 AM)emanoh Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the bigger issue not discussed. Let's say we win the MAC in a pretty down year. Great we hang a banner, all fans want this. Or let's say we make it to Detroit and lose. What do we do?

I believe Candle has one more year on his current deal. Do we extend him for more of the same if we win, or do you cut loose a coach who just got you a championship game, win or lose?

I guess he could leverage a conf championship into a lower tier P5 conf. HC job? If we lose in Detroit, can you fire a coach who just got you to the big game and do you give him an extension?

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Can we also get an opponent our guys get up for!?!? No more no name CUSA or SBC teams. I dont want Georgia Southern or South Alabama. I want ULL or Marshall or Purdue.

Sunbelt is ahead of MAC. Any of those teams are fair game for a home and home. Same the Academies. At least one iconic P5 per every scholarship cycle. Players should get to experience this. Someone at Kent St maybe went a bit over-board but still, good on them. Unless it's an HBCU, I'd like to see them lay off the FCS. They're not even scheduling competitive ones. 2023 OOC is unforgivable. I wouldn't give Coach Candle more than a year even with a MACC. Do it two years in a row and competitive in every OOC, if he's still here then give him the normal contract. Past is not easily forgotten. MAC is not that hard. Minus the post Campbell years, he's barely above .500.

As I understand it, UT employs TWO Candles? A school looking to hire him or her will have to provide two places, not one. Correct?

I have no clue what Mrs. Candle does.

But im talking bowl matchup. Youd think ESPN would want a better matchup for a team (UT) who has a name in this conference. We had Arkansas State (when they were good), Temple, then App State! Then... App again, FIU, MTSU. For god sake throw us a bone or to Detroit. We arent EMU, we need a legit opponent our guys want to play against. Not that 7-5 deserves a reward, but we obviously dont give 2 shts lately in bowl season.

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(10-03-2022 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 10:26 AM)emanoh Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the bigger issue not discussed. Let's say we win the MAC in a pretty down year. Great we hang a banner, all fans want this. Or let's say we make it to Detroit and lose. What do we do?

I believe Candle has one more year on his current deal. Do we extend him for more of the same if we win, or do you cut loose a coach who just got you a championship game, win or lose?

I guess he could leverage a conf championship into a lower tier P5 conf. HC job? If we lose in Detroit, can you fire a coach who just got you to the big game and do you give him an extension?

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Can we also get an opponent our guys get up for!?!? No more no name CUSA or SBC teams. I dont want Georgia Southern or South Alabama. I want ULL or Marshall or Purdue.

Sunbelt is ahead of MAC. Any of those teams are fair game for a home and home. Same the Academies. At least one iconic P5 per every scholarship cycle. Players should get to experience this. Someone at Kent St maybe went a bit over-board but still, good on them. Unless it's an HBCU, I'd like to see them lay off the FCS. They're not even scheduling competitive ones. 2023 OOC is unforgivable. I wouldn't give Coach Candle more than a year even with a MACC. Do it two years in a row and competitive in every OOC, if he's still here then give him the normal contract. Past is not easily forgotten. MAC is not that hard. Minus the post Campbell years, he's barely above .500.

As I understand it, UT employs TWO Candles? A school looking to hire him or her will have to provide two places, not one. Correct?

Mrs. Candle is no longer employed at UT. At one point she worked in the Foundation as a development officer for one of the colleges. They started having kids and she decided to do the mom thing.

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This is exactly what I was thinking yesterday. What happens if he ends up in the MACC during a season when the MAC lacks a dominant or good team? That would happen this year of course. Lol I don't think Candle would be offered anything from any Power 5 school of consequence. When Campbell left, there was a lot of speculation as to whether Candle would be the next big thing, but I think that ship has sailed. I don't know how much to read into recruiting classes, but Toledo looks to be in line for a second consecutive 6th place. The new AD would have quite the decision to make. Look for a hot prospect, or keep Candle. I would go for hot prospect. That's what mid-majors are for. Things are stagnate. If Toledo did not have Finn, it would be much worse.

(10-03-2022 11:44 AM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]This is exactly what I was thinking yesterday. What happens if he ends up in the MACC during a season when the MAC lacks a dominant or good team? That would happen this year of course. Lol I don't think Candle would be offered anything from any Power 5 school of consequence. When Campbell left, there was a lot of speculation as to whether Candle would be the next big thing, but I think that ship has sailed. I don't know how much to read into recruiting classes, but Toledo looks to be in line for a second consecutive 6th place. The new AD would have quite the decision to make. Look for a hot prospect, or keep Candle. I would go for hot prospect. That's what mid-majors are for. Things are stagnate. If Toledo did not have Finn, it would be much worse.

Was Leipold dominant at UB? He revived them sure. His Wisc Whitewater dominance played a part as well. But Kansas WILL open up this year with Colorado, Wisc and Nebraska open for Leipold. Candle could def fill that spot. OR a coordinator for Leipold or Campbell as they take a new bigger job. The Miami FL job opened at OC for a pay raise and Candle declined it... so how could you say he isnt on anyones radar? Frickin Lewis at Kent is on EVERYONES radar for his 8 win job with the Flashes. Sexy offense.

can't keep head coaches on 1 year contracts. it hamstrings recruiting and retention of assistant coaches. nobody wants to buy in to a program that is not committed to stability. you wouldn't want to take a job that was on a short term contract and if something went wrong out of your control (the equivalent of Finn getting hurt) you get fired. Rockets AD will need to commit to Candle long term at the end of the year or fire him, imo. not a good look to let your relatively long term HC go into a final lame duck year of a contract w no future guarantee. UT did a version of this with TK when they revoked an extension offer after we lost in the 2021 MAC tourney. It really pissed off a successful HC and we were fortunate he didn't bail after the season. Instead he stayed around and we won the league again at 17-3 (and then got a long term deal/renewal).

I'm not a big Candle fan. I think he recruits solid talent, but the team hasn't looked sharp since Woodside left. I do think we have high level defensive coaches and will have a challenge finding guys like Kuligowski and Kehres as assistants under a new staff. I'd be OK with some changes to offensive staff, especially oline and TE. The blocking all around is just poor. I've seen so many instances of 2 blockers choosing to double team a single defender and letting the guy next to him go unblocked and blow up the play (what happened on the 2nd punt block vs CMU and many other times every game). We also have gotten a lot softer blocking on the edges TE/WR/RB.

(10-03-2022 11:30 AM)emanoh Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 11:07 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 10:26 AM)emanoh Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the bigger issue not discussed. Let's say we win the MAC in a pretty down year. Great we hang a banner, all fans want this. Or let's say we make it to Detroit and lose. What do we do?

I believe Candle has one more year on his current deal. Do we extend him for more of the same if we win, or do you cut loose a coach who just got you a championship game, win or lose?

I guess he could leverage a conf championship into a lower tier P5 conf. HC job? If we lose in Detroit, can you fire a coach who just got you to the big game and do you give him an extension?

Can we also get an opponent our guys get up for!?!? No more no name CUSA or SBC teams. I dont want Georgia Southern or South Alabama. I want ULL or Marshall or Purdue.

Sunbelt is ahead of MAC. Any of those teams are fair game for a home and home. Same the Academies. At least one iconic P5 per every scholarship cycle. Players should get to experience this. Someone at Kent St maybe went a bit over-board but still, good on them. Unless it's an HBCU, I'd like to see them lay off the FCS. They're not even scheduling competitive ones. 2023 OOC is unforgivable. I wouldn't give Coach Candle more than a year even with a MACC. Do it two years in a row and competitive in every OOC, if he's still here then give him the normal contract. Past is not easily forgotten. MAC is not that hard. Minus the post Campbell years, he's barely above .500.

As I understand it, UT employs TWO Candles? A school looking to hire him or her will have to provide two places, not one. Correct?

Mrs. Candle is no longer employed at UT. At one point she worked in the Foundation as a development officer for one of the colleges. They started having kids and she decided to do the mom thing.

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Ah. so

three jobs.

(10-03-2022 01:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 11:44 AM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]This is exactly what I was thinking yesterday. What happens if he ends up in the MACC during a season when the MAC lacks a dominant or good team? That would happen this year of course. Lol I don't think Candle would be offered anything from any Power 5 school of consequence. When Campbell left, there was a lot of speculation as to whether Candle would be the next big thing, but I think that ship has sailed. I don't know how much to read into recruiting classes, but Toledo looks to be in line for a second consecutive 6th place. The new AD would have quite the decision to make. Look for a hot prospect, or keep Candle. I would go for hot prospect. That's what mid-majors are for. Things are stagnate. If Toledo did not have Finn, it would be much worse.

Was Leipold dominant at UB? He revived them sure. His Wisc Whitewater dominance played a part as well. But Kansas WILL open up this year with Colorado, Wisc and Nebraska open for Leipold. Candle could def fill that spot. OR a coordinator for Leipold or Campbell as they take a new bigger job. The Miami FL job opened at OC for a pay raise and Candle declined it... so how could you say he isnt on anyones radar? Frickin Lewis at Kent is on EVERYONES radar for his 8 win job with the Flashes. Sexy offense.

I said that I didn't think Candle would be offered anything by a Power 5 school of consequence. Kansas is not a school of consequence. Leipold is a hot commodity right now, because of what he is doing at Kansas. He is winning with less, which is the opposite of Candle, who has been losing with more. The Miami FL job was for an OC, not a head coach. The Sporting News dropped Candle in the rankling of head coaches from 80th to 92nd. Candle is a nice guy, good family man, and good mentor. He is not a good head coach. He's been in Toledo for years as a OC and HC, yet he can't solve the mystery of winning in MAC games that matter or bowl games. By this point in his career, there should be national interest in "where he is going", and Toledo should be known as a Group of 5 to be reckoned with.

(10-03-2022 08:40 PM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 01:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 11:44 AM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]This is exactly what I was thinking yesterday. What happens if he ends up in the MACC during a season when the MAC lacks a dominant or good team? That would happen this year of course. Lol I don't think Candle would be offered anything from any Power 5 school of consequence. When Campbell left, there was a lot of speculation as to whether Candle would be the next big thing, but I think that ship has sailed. I don't know how much to read into recruiting classes, but Toledo looks to be in line for a second consecutive 6th place. The new AD would have quite the decision to make. Look for a hot prospect, or keep Candle. I would go for hot prospect. That's what mid-majors are for. Things are stagnate. If Toledo did not have Finn, it would be much worse.

Was Leipold dominant at UB? He revived them sure. His Wisc Whitewater dominance played a part as well. But Kansas WILL open up this year with Colorado, Wisc and Nebraska open for Leipold. Candle could def fill that spot. OR a coordinator for Leipold or Campbell as they take a new bigger job. The Miami FL job opened at OC for a pay raise and Candle declined it... so how could you say he isnt on anyones radar? Frickin Lewis at Kent is on EVERYONES radar for his 8 win job with the Flashes. Sexy offense.

I said that I didn't think Candle would be offered anything by a Power 5 school of consequence. Kansas is not a school of consequence. Leipold is a hot commodity right now, because of what he is doing at Kansas. He is winning with less, which is the opposite of Candle, who has been losing with more. The Miami FL job was for an OC, not a head coach. The Sporting News dropped Candle in the rankling of head coaches from 80th to 92nd. Candle is a nice guy, good family man, and good mentor. He is not a good head coach. He's been in Toledo for years as a OC and HC, yet he can't solve the mystery of winning in MAC games that matter or bowl games. By this point in his career, there should be national interest in "where he is going", and Toledo should be known as a Group of 5 to be reckoned with.

Who cares if its a job of consequence, getting hired away is getting hired away. Are we betting on Candle getting a 5 star P5 job, or being anywhere but here? Winning the MAC would give him a good possibility of him being hired elsewhere for good money regardless if its low P5 head coach or medium to high p5 coordinator.

And for every coach who stays at a G5 7 years... tell them they need to be improved and on to better things by then. Its still rare and hard to do. And on top of that... how many have even a better than .500 record over that time span.

Candles resume is honestly fantastic. Hes been at Toledo in some form of coaching since 2009? One losing season at that program. Multiple directly coached players in the NFL. Headcoached to 2 MAC Champs (in this hypothetical). In a league historically known for parody.

Step back and realize the qb injuries we have dealt with, lack of opportunity for big wins (1 P5 MAX per season), and how overall successful he has been. His RESUME is far better than most. So no... its not out of the question with the amt of jobs that open up in this region of the country, he is wanted.

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(10-03-2022 01:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 11:44 AM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]This is exactly what I was thinking yesterday. What happens if he ends up in the MACC during a season when the MAC lacks a dominant or good team? That would happen this year of course. Lol I don't think Candle would be offered anything from any Power 5 school of consequence. When Campbell left, there was a lot of speculation as to whether Candle would be the next big thing, but I think that ship has sailed. I don't know how much to read into recruiting classes, but Toledo looks to be in line for a second consecutive 6th place. The new AD would have quite the decision to make. Look for a hot prospect, or keep Candle. I would go for hot prospect. That's what mid-majors are for. Things are stagnate. If Toledo did not have Finn, it would be much worse.

Was Leipold dominant at UB? He revived them sure. His Wisc Whitewater dominance played a part as well. But Kansas WILL open up this year with Colorado, Wisc and Nebraska open for Leipold. Candle could def fill that spot. OR a coordinator for Leipold or Campbell as they take a new bigger job. The Miami FL job opened at OC for a pay raise and Candle declined it... so how could you say he isnt on anyones radar? Frickin Lewis at Kent is on EVERYONES radar for his 8 win job with the Flashes. Sexy offense.

I said that I didn't think Candle would be offered anything by a Power 5 school of consequence. Kansas is not a school of consequence. Leipold is a hot commodity right now, because of what he is doing at Kansas. He is winning with less, which is the opposite of Candle, who has been losing with more. The Miami FL job was for an OC, not a head coach. The Sporting News dropped Candle in the rankling of head coaches from 80th to 92nd. Candle is a nice guy, good family man, and good mentor. He is not a good head coach. He's been in Toledo for years as a OC and HC, yet he can't solve the mystery of winning in MAC games that matter or bowl games. By this point in his career, there should be national interest in "where he is going", and Toledo should be known as a Group of 5 to be reckoned with.

Who cares if its a job of consequence, getting hired away is getting hired away. Are we betting on Candle getting a 5 star P5 job, or being anywhere but here? Winning the MAC would give him a good possibility of him being hired elsewhere for good money regardless if its low P5 head coach or medium to high p5 coordinator.

And for every coach who stays at a G5 7 years... tell them they need to be improved and on to better things by then. Its still rare and hard to do. And on top of that... how many have even a better than .500 record over that time span.

Candles resume is honestly fantastic. Hes been at Toledo in some form of coaching since 2009? One losing season at that program. Multiple directly coached players in the NFL. Headcoached to 2 MAC Champs (in this hypothetical). In a league historically known for parody.

Step back and realize the qb injuries we have dealt with, lack of opportunity for big wins (1 P5 MAX per season), and how overall successful he has been. His RESUME is far better than most. So no... its not out of the question with the amt of jobs that open up in this region of the country, he is wanted.

It took 2 seasons for NIU to pass Toledo with a new head coach. When is the last time Toledo won a bowl game? The Rockets were 10.5pt favorites against MTSU. His record is stacked with wins against average and below average MAC teams, and mostly losses to those challenging for a West Division Crown. He drives a Formula One car like a Prius High Miler, passing those who never got going and those who have hit the wall, but getting lapped by everyone else.

(10-04-2022 06:49 AM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 11:43 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 08:40 PM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 01:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 11:44 AM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]This is exactly what I was thinking yesterday. What happens if he ends up in the MACC during a season when the MAC lacks a dominant or good team? That would happen this year of course. Lol I don't think Candle would be offered anything from any Power 5 school of consequence. When Campbell left, there was a lot of speculation as to whether Candle would be the next big thing, but I think that ship has sailed. I don't know how much to read into recruiting classes, but Toledo looks to be in line for a second consecutive 6th place. The new AD would have quite the decision to make. Look for a hot prospect, or keep Candle. I would go for hot prospect. That's what mid-majors are for. Things are stagnate. If Toledo did not have Finn, it would be much worse.

Was Leipold dominant at UB? He revived them sure. His Wisc Whitewater dominance played a part as well. But Kansas WILL open up this year with Colorado, Wisc and Nebraska open for Leipold. Candle could def fill that spot. OR a coordinator for Leipold or Campbell as they take a new bigger job. The Miami FL job opened at OC for a pay raise and Candle declined it... so how could you say he isnt on anyones radar? Frickin Lewis at Kent is on EVERYONES radar for his 8 win job with the Flashes. Sexy offense.

I said that I didn't think Candle would be offered anything by a Power 5 school of consequence. Kansas is not a school of consequence. Leipold is a hot commodity right now, because of what he is doing at Kansas. He is winning with less, which is the opposite of Candle, who has been losing with more. The Miami FL job was for an OC, not a head coach. The Sporting News dropped Candle in the rankling of head coaches from 80th to 92nd. Candle is a nice guy, good family man, and good mentor. He is not a good head coach. He's been in Toledo for years as a OC and HC, yet he can't solve the mystery of winning in MAC games that matter or bowl games. By this point in his career, there should be national interest in "where he is going", and Toledo should be known as a Group of 5 to be reckoned with.

Who cares if its a job of consequence, getting hired away is getting hired away. Are we betting on Candle getting a 5 star P5 job, or being anywhere but here? Winning the MAC would give him a good possibility of him being hired elsewhere for good money regardless if its low P5 head coach or medium to high p5 coordinator.

And for every coach who stays at a G5 7 years... tell them they need to be improved and on to better things by then. Its still rare and hard to do. And on top of that... how many have even a better than .500 record over that time span.

Candles resume is honestly fantastic. Hes been at Toledo in some form of coaching since 2009? One losing season at that program. Multiple directly coached players in the NFL. Headcoached to 2 MAC Champs (in this hypothetical). In a league historically known for parody.

Step back and realize the qb injuries we have dealt with, lack of opportunity for big wins (1 P5 MAX per season), and how overall successful he has been. His RESUME is far better than most. So no... its not out of the question with the amt of jobs that open up in this region of the country, he is wanted.

It took 2 seasons for NIU to pass Toledo with a new head coach. When is the last time Toledo won a bowl game? The Rockets were 10.5pt favorites against MTSU. His record is stacked with wins against average and below average MAC teams, and mostly losses to those challenging for a West Division Crown. He drives a Formula One car like a Prius High Miler, passing those who never got going and those who have hit the wall, but getting lapped by everyone else.

I dont disagree, but most coaches in the G5 dont even beat the stacked bad wins! BG loses to FCS teams. Miami won its first OOC FBS game in 20+ tries this year. Who has Kent beaten in their stretch of Flash Fast? NIU went 0-6 in 2020, led the nation in luck in 2021, and now have lost to Tulsa, Ball State and Vandy in 2022. EMU has been the only team to consistently overperform, and this board would meltdown to an 8 pt win vs. FCS and 7 pt win to UMass.

We are stuck in our own little world, but most teams would trade their coach for Candle, and believe he is a top 3 coach in this league. Keeping rebuild teams to only bottom out at 6-6 aint easy. We just need another double digit win season. I hope its now.

at this stage of season, only evidence to look at is how Candle's teams have performed in the past throughout the MAC season-not so sure that makes for a good scenario of how 2022 way play out as history shows failure to play well enough to close out season with MACC game appearance (and I do not care about an 7 win season or bowl game)

(10-04-2022 12:20 PM)PaulJ Wrote: [ -> ]at this stage of season, only evidence to look at is how Candle's teams have performed in the past throughout the MAC season-not so sure that makes for a good scenario of how 2022 way play out as history shows failure to play well enough to close out season with MACC game appearance (and I do not care about an 7 win season or bowl game)

I could see this team winning the MAC in a weak year, but don't see this team winning a bowl game.

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(10-04-2022 04:51 PM)emanoh Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2022 12:20 PM)PaulJ Wrote: [ -> ]at this stage of season, only evidence to look at is how Candle's teams have performed in the past throughout the MAC season-not so sure that makes for a good scenario of how 2022 way play out as history shows failure to play well enough to close out season with MACC game appearance (and I do not care about an 7 win season or bowl game)

I could see this team winning the MAC in a weak year, but don't see this team winning a bowl game.

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Hard to say at this point if 2022 is a weak season in MAC-could see one or more teams get on run and dominate, end up with 8+ win season. Is that the Rockets, who knows but seems unlikely-just based solely in history of how Candle teams play out the season. And bowl games may be great experience and reward for players (which is fine) but frankly with so many bowls and UT recent history with bowls I simply don't care about one at all.

(10-03-2022 08:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022 07:37 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]I think a major move up as HC has already been taken off the table with performace this year. Winning out the MAC isn't going to impress a P5. He's not shown up when an under-dog. He's been slow to adapt his staff. What AD would risk a couple million in salary on that, not to mention their own job?

As far as the rest of the MAC games, it's mostly about injuries and penalties and knocking one step off the punter's approach. Otherwise I think we're as solid as anyone else in the league.

If leipold or Campbell leave Kansas or ISU, IM sure Candle would get a look with 2 MACCs. But im talking about Wisky and Nebraska coordinator jobs.

Sean Lewis and possibly the CMU coach will be the 1st ones hired to move up out of the current group. Sean Lewis winning at Kent is impressive. Wisconsin would not do bad with him at the helm, he is a Wisconsin grad.